Caitlin Clark left off USA Roster

[DOT]

Or maybe the anti-Clark people shouldn’t simplistically lump all Clark fans under this offensive banner?

Is that really too much to ask of you?

You're more mad at me for pointing out racism and misogyny than you are at actual racists and misogynists being on your side and echoing their talking points

Sounds about right

It's really not that much to ask for y'all to distance yourselves from those types of people. If you can't be bothered to do that, I can't be bothered to try and differentiate.

You aren’t pointing out racism and misogyny, you are labeling broad swathes of people as racists and misogynists. Racism and misogyny are too serious a crime to point at people who are not racists or misogynists. This Szpula guy, who I’ve never heard of, made it about race, and he’s wrong. You generalizing in many posts that if someone a a Clark fan, she shares Szpula’s views, is incorrect and dangerous.

Worse, if you aren’t bothering to try to tell the difference, you are more problem than solution, watering down the label when you apply to people who aren’t.

As they say, a hit dog'll holler.

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You're more mad at me for pointing out racism and misogyny than you are at actual racists and misogynists being on your side and echoing their talking points

Sounds about right

It's really not that much to ask for y'all to distance yourselves from those types of people. If you can't be bothered to do that, I can't be bothered to try and differentiate.

You aren’t pointing out racism and misogyny, you are labeling broad swathes of people as racists and misogynists. Racism and misogyny are too serious a crime to point at people who are not racists or misogynists. This Szpula guy, who I’ve never heard of, made it about race, and he’s wrong. You generalizing in many posts that if someone a a Clark fan, she shares Szpula’s views, is incorrect and dangerous.

Worse, if you aren’t bothering to try to tell the difference, you are more problem than solution, watering down the label when you apply to people who aren’t.

As they say, a hit dog'll holler.

This post proves my point about you, as you now imply I’m a racist too. Bravo.

[MrDollarBills]

If the pro-Clark people don't want to be associated with racism and misogyny, maybe they shouldn't use the same talking points as racists and misogynists.

Or maybe the anti-Clark people shouldn’t simplistically lump all Clark fans under this offensive banner?

Is that really too much to ask of you?

I'm pro Clark. As in, I love watching CC hoop and I think she's a likeable, kinda dorky kid overall.

Some folks however have taken "pro Clark" to a place that is insidious.

If you're upset about being labeled as such you may wanna make it clear that your support of CC isn't about degrading Black female and lgbtq athletes. Because frankly there are several comments in this thread from "pro Clark" people that are indeed racist, hateful and misogynist. If you see it, call it out, instead of letting it fly like you and several others have.

Is that too much to ask of you? Because if someone were to read this entirely thread objectively it would be hard to deny that this stuff isn't rooted in basketball and moreso culture war political crap

[shrink]

If the pro-Clark people don't want to be associated with racism and misogyny, maybe they shouldn't use the same talking points as racists and misogynists.

Or maybe the anti-Clark people shouldn’t simplistically lump all Clark fans under this offensive banner?

Is that really too much to ask of you?

I'm pro Clark. As in, I love watching CC hoop and I think she's a likeable, kinda dorky kid overall.

Some folks however have taken "pro Clark" to a place that is insidious.

If you're upset about being labeled as such you may wanna make it clear that your support of CC isn't about degrading Black female and lgbtq athletes. Because frankly there are several comments in this thread from "pro Clark" people that are indeed racist, hateful and misogynist. If you see it, call it out, instead of letting it fly like you and several others have.

Is that too much to ask of you?

It is sad you live in a head space where you assume that pro-Clark people are racists and misogynist, and are guilty until proven innocent. You see that right?

[MrDollarBills]

You're more mad at me for pointing out racism and misogyny than you are at actual racists and misogynists being on your side and echoing their talking points

Sounds about right

It's really not that much to ask for y'all to distance yourselves from those types of people. If you can't be bothered to do that, I can't be bothered to try and differentiate.

You aren’t pointing out racism and misogyny, you are labeling broad swathes of people as racists and misogynists. Racism and misogyny are too serious a crime to point at people who are not racists or misogynists. This Szpula guy, who I’ve never heard of, made it about race, and he’s wrong. You generalizing in many posts that if someone a a Clark fan, she shares Szpula’s views, is incorrect and dangerous.

Worse, if you aren’t bothering to try to tell the difference, you are more problem than solution, watering down the label when you apply to people who aren’t.

As they say, a hit dog'll holler.

"I have no issue siding with people who spew racist and bigoted comments about Black WNBA players, but I take offense to you calling me a racist and a bigot".

[MrDollarBills]

Or maybe the anti-Clark people shouldn’t simplistically lump all Clark fans under this offensive banner?

Is that really too much to ask of you?

I'm pro Clark. As in, I love watching CC hoop and I think she's a likeable, kinda dorky kid overall.

Some folks however have taken "pro Clark" to a place that is insidious.

If you're upset about being labeled as such you may wanna make it clear that your support of CC isn't about degrading Black female and lgbtq athletes. Because frankly there are several comments in this thread from "pro Clark" people that are indeed racist, hateful and misogynist. If you see it, call it out, instead of letting it fly like you and several others have.

Is that too much to ask of you?

It is sad you live in a head space where you assume that pro-Clark people are racists and misogynist, and are guilty until proven innocent. You see that right?

What's sad is that you have no issue with the "pro Clark" people in this thread who have indeed spewed racism and misogyny, and have more of a problem with the people who are calling it out

Again, I am Pro Clark, as in, I like to watch her play, when she's on she's awesome. I am not pro Clark in the sense of using this young woman as a prop for culture war politics/dog whistling.

If you eat from the same trough as pigs, it's strange to be mad when everyone considers you the same as the other pigs eating the slop

[DOT]

If the pro-Clark people don't want to be associated with racism and misogyny, maybe they shouldn't use the same talking points as racists and misogynists.

Or maybe the anti-Clark people shouldn’t simplistically lump all Clark fans under this offensive banner?

Is that really too much to ask of you?

I'm pro Clark. As in, I love watching CC hoop and I think she's a likeable, kinda dorky kid overall.

Some folks however have taken "pro Clark" to a place that is insidious.

If you're upset about being labeled as such you may wanna make it clear that your support of CC isn't about degrading Black female and lgbtq athletes. Because frankly there are several comments in this thread from "pro Clark" people that are indeed racist, hateful and misogynist. If you see it, call it out, instead of letting it fly like you and several others have.

Is that too much to ask of you?

I would buy it if they spent half as much time calling out people who were using Clark as a proxy in their culture war as they do lecturing others on how not everybody who uses the same racist talking points is a racist, and it's us that must do the legwork to figure out who is and who isn't

But they don't. They just get mad when someone points out that the people standing next to them have ulterior motives and rather than differentiate themselves, they take the easy route and blame the people pointing out racism/misogyny. Happens with everything, not just this Clark discourse.

[shrink]

You aren’t pointing out racism and misogyny, you are labeling broad swathes of people as racists and misogynists. Racism and misogyny are too serious a crime to point at people who are not racists or misogynists. This Szpula guy, who I’ve never heard of, made it about race, and he’s wrong. You generalizing in many posts that if someone a a Clark fan, she shares Szpula’s views, is incorrect and dangerous.

Worse, if you aren’t bothering to try to tell the difference, you are more problem than solution, watering down the label when you apply to people who aren’t.

As they say, a hit dog'll holler.

"I have no issue siding with people who spew racist and bigoted comments about Black WNBA players, but I take offense to you calling me a racist and a bigot".

My god. No one said that! But that didn’t register with you.

In fact, I specifically said Spzula made it about race and he’s wrong. But you ignored that too.

Take a long look at yourself, both of you. Everyone that eats a chicken sandwich at Chik-filet doesn’t hate gays, and everyone who likes Caitlyn Clark isn’t a racist, just because you found one who is. If you’re calling all of them on it, accusing every innocent person, then you will rapidly become the boys who cry wolf, and people will not listen to you when these things actually occur, and those gusty people won’t receive the punishment they deserve.

[MrDollarBills]

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This is the type of racist discourse I’ve seen surrounding CC. It’s very interesting bc it shines a light on America’s issues with race, gender and sexual orientation.


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“violently checked” I can’t post enough

So many of social media people are saying “mocked” like Caitlin’s some helpless victim who’s uninvolved.

Caitlin’s trying to sell the foul. Not my favorite thing, but basketball players do that all the time.

Dijonai is calling out that she’s selling it. Players do that too.

So, it’s basketball. Yet too many are taking it as an opportunity to frame it as Clark being some targeted victim.

Insanity.

I've seen NBA players do what Dijonai did and no one cared.

These people are f*cked in the head man. God forbid someone hard fouls CC again

[MrDollarBills]

As they say, a hit dog'll holler.

"I have no issue siding with people who spew racist and bigoted comments about Black WNBA players, but I take offense to you calling me a racist and a bigot".

My god. No one said that! But that didn’t register with you.

In fact, I specifically said Spzula made it about race and he’s wrong. But you ignored that too.

Take a long look at yourself. Everyone that eats a chicken sandwich at Chik-filet doesn’t hate gays, and everyone who likes Caitlyn Clark isn’t a racist, just because you found one who is.

I never said that everyone who likes CC is a racist. That's absurd.

But I can't help but notice that the ones who have been racist have received zero push back from folks like you. That's all I'm saying

Silence is a form of approval too. It shouldn't have taken this thread to be moved to the W forum and 17 pages later before myself and others started calling this sh*t out....and you're upset about it.

[shrink]

That’s enough. I’m not going to waste time with a forum run like this.

I’ll continue to enjoy the Clark and the WNBA for the basketball.

You guys can keep calling everyone who disagrees with you racists and misogynists, and make up whatever crap for as long as the mod allows. I won’t be missed.

[KembaWalker]

Yeah I really could not care less about the race war baiting or the hard fouls/cheap shots. It’s specifically the women’s basketball collective acting like they don’t need the attention she’s brought that cracks me up. I’m sure their checks will all get cashed promptly though

[MrDollarBills]

Or maybe the anti-Clark people shouldn’t simplistically lump all Clark fans under this offensive banner?

Is that really too much to ask of you?

I'm pro Clark. As in, I love watching CC hoop and I think she's a likeable, kinda dorky kid overall.

Some folks however have taken "pro Clark" to a place that is insidious.

If you're upset about being labeled as such you may wanna make it clear that your support of CC isn't about degrading Black female and lgbtq athletes. Because frankly there are several comments in this thread from "pro Clark" people that are indeed racist, hateful and misogynist. If you see it, call it out, instead of letting it fly like you and several others have.

Is that too much to ask of you?

I would buy it if they spent half as much time calling out people who were using Clark as a proxy in their culture war as they do lecturing others on how not everybody who uses the same racist talking points is a racist, and it's us that must do the legwork to figure out who is and who isn't

But they don't. They just get mad when someone points out that the people standing next to them have ulterior motives and rather than differentiate themselves, they take the easy route and blame the people pointing out racism/misogyny. Happens with everything, not just this Clark discourse.

Right. They don't care about the racism and general nastiness depicted in this thread, they just get upset when they're associated with it by default.

If I'm sitting at a table with Kanye West and he starts going off on a rant about Jewish people controlling the world, and Kyrie Irving is sitting to the left of me silently nodding his head in approval, should I be mad that someone calls me antisemitic when they see me silently sitting with them?

It's not that hard people. Maybe call out this stuff when you see it and people won't look at you sideways. I like Caitlin Clark too but not because she's a "well spoken straight white young woman", but because she's a good hooper that will only get better.

Can't wait to actually WATCH her do it too. You know, since her "pro Clark" supporters can't be bothered to do that

[MrDollarBills]

Yeah I really could not care less about the race war baiting or the hard fouls/cheap shots. It’s specifically the women’s basketball collective acting like they don’t need the attention she’s brought that cracks me up. I’m sure their checks will all get cashed promptly though

You don't watch her play bro I dunno why you're so invested in this

[DOT]

I just find it funny how quick people are to tell on themselves lol

Cause all you gotta say is "if you don't want to be associated with racism, don't associate with racists" and they come screaming in with the "HOW DARE YOU CALL ME RACIST! I'M NOT RACIST!"

[MrDollarBills]

That’s enough. I’m not going to waste time with a forum run like this.

I’ll continue to enjoy the Clark and the WNBA for the basketball.

You guys can keep calling everyone who disagrees with you racists and misogynists, and make up whatever crap for as long as the mod allows. I won’t be missed.

So you're cool when the mods allow posters to spew racism and bigotry about Black WNBA players but this is where you draw the line?

Yeah you're right buddy. You won't be

[KembaWalker]

Yeah I really could not care less about the race war baiting or the hard fouls/cheap shots. It’s specifically the women’s basketball collective acting like they don’t need the attention she’s brought that cracks me up. I’m sure their checks will all get cashed promptly though

You don't watch her play bro I dunno why you're so invested in this

You asked if I’d watched one specific game.. I’ve watched 5 fever games and parts of a handful more

[MrDollarBills]

I just find it funny how quick people are to tell on themselves lol

Cause all you gotta say is "if you don't want to be associated with racism, don't associate with racists" and they come screaming in with the "HOW DARE YOU CALL ME RACIST! I'M NOT RACIST!"

Funny as hell

Dudes are in here literally calling players all kinds of dog whistles used to demean Black LGBTQ women/people and these guys are like



Like they haven't sat here this whole time seeing the same thing and saying dick all about it. If I didn't wanna be associated with people who "like" CC but are using her as a prop to be racist towards Black women /queer ppl I'd speak up about it, but that's just me.

[MrDollarBills]

Yeah I really could not care less about the race war baiting or the hard fouls/cheap shots. It’s specifically the women’s basketball collective acting like they don’t need the attention she’s brought that cracks me up. I’m sure their checks will all get cashed promptly though

You don't watch her play bro I dunno why you're so invested in this

You asked if I’d watched one specific game.. I’ve watched 5 fever games and parts of a handful more

Ok

[KembaWalker]

You don't watch her play bro I dunno why you're so invested in this

You asked if I’d watched one specific game.. I’ve watched 5 fever games and parts of a handful more

Ok

Sorry, you the WNBA fandom gatekeeper?