2024 WNBA Season Discussion Thread

[MrDollarBills]

Sounds like Aaliyah Boston is having a good game tonight and its not available to watch.

I'm watching it on the ESPN website. Boston is beasting in the first half. She's facing up and driving, backing people down, and finishing efficiently. She looks like a completely different player than previously this season. Kelsey Mitchell, Kristy Wallace and Katie Lou Samuelson are also shooting well for the Fever. For Atlanta, Rhyne Howard has a quick 10 points, but picked up 3 fouls and only played 8 minutes.

I saw the highlights. That looks like the AB that we saw last year. Assertive and aggressive in the paint. Whatever happened between the previous game and last night must have set her off

[MrDollarBills]

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[ellobo]

Yeah I just saw Dijonai's tweet

She is 1000000% right and I'm glad she spoke up. This is why I said that this isn't over yet. CC is going to have to face this.

Honestly, Dijonai did her a favor whether she realizes it or not: now she cannot run, she cannot hide. She has to face it.

Address exactly what she said. Condemn all of that mess with your chest and be done with it. Everyone who loves the league and players wants this to be about hoops but it's not. She's gotta be grown now. Like, yeah, you're not the one being racist and hateful, but people are using your name to do it. Step up. Perfect time to do it.

The earlier question she was asked was a vague question about "non-sports agendas," so she gave a vague answer. But really, she had to have known what the question was alluding to and realized that a vague answer would be inadequate. Even if she's not immersed directly in social media discourse, I'm sure she has teammates and people around her who are, and is therefore aware herself. Personally, I'm not immersed in social media, and don't see a lot of this crap directly, but I'm still well aware of it.

She might feel distant from the racist and misogynist discourse around her and just want to ignore it, but I agree with DiJonai's criticism, even in light of Clark's later response to a more direct question. Clark shouldn't feel pressured to say or do anything, but I'd like to think she genuinely cares enough about the other players in the league to want to say something about it proactively. So the fact that she didn't until she was directly and specifically asked is revealing and disappointing.

So I also agree that DiJonai did her a favor -- if Clark learns something here and doesn't just look at it as a spot of damage control.

[MrDollarBills]

Yeah I just saw Dijonai's tweet

She is 1000000% right and I'm glad she spoke up. This is why I said that this isn't over yet. CC is going to have to face this.

Honestly, Dijonai did her a favor whether she realizes it or not: now she cannot run, she cannot hide. She has to face it.

Address exactly what she said. Condemn all of that mess with your chest and be done with it. Everyone who loves the league and players wants this to be about hoops but it's not. She's gotta be grown now. Like, yeah, you're not the one being racist and hateful, but people are using your name to do it. Step up. Perfect time to do it.

The earlier question she was asked was a vague question about "non-sports agendas," so she gave a vague answer. But really, she had to have known what the question was alluding to and realized that a vague answer would be inadequate. Even if she's not immersed directly in social media discourse, I'm sure she has teammates and people around her who are, and is therefore aware herself. Personally, I'm not immersed in social media, and don't see a lot of this crap directly, but I'm still well aware of it.

She might feel distant from the racist and misogynist discourse around her and just want to ignore it, but I agree with DiJonai's criticism, even in light of Clark's later response to a more direct question. Clark shouldn't feel pressured to say or do anything, but I'd like to think she genuinely cares enough about the other players in the league to want to say something about it proactively. So the fact that she didn't until she was directly and specifically asked is revealing and disappointing.

So I also agree that DiJonai did her a favor -- if Clark learns something here and doesn't just look at it as a spot of damage control.

Yeah that's what I gathered as well. Like, I understand not wanting to even talk about this crap because it's completely f'd how these ppl co opted her without her consent into their racist culture war agenda.

But the 11 other women/persons on that team cannot ignore what is happening. Even yesterday Boston and Mitchell were getting attacked for things that they didn't even say. Her other teammate, who is openly affectionate towards her, Erica Wheeler, is Black AND Queer. She has a responsibility to her teammates, and the league, to shut it down.

It's disappointing that she did not come out sooner with a stronger condemnation of this, but again, I look at CC and I see someone, who is young and learning, i look at her like i look at Angel, Cam, Edwards etc. They're young adults, things happen and I know if I was in their shoes at age 22 I'd want to be afforded grace if I mess up.

Not everyone gets it right away. I have seen nothing from her as a person that leads me to believe that she endorses any of this, so i am fine with her response and hopefully we all can move on (lol of course not this is gonna get even worse) but she learned yesterday a hard lesson: silence in the face of hatred is complicity whether you want it to be or not.

I hope one day, some time from now, she realizes exactly what Dijonai did for her by calling her out. It wasn't from a place of maliciousness, it was her sounding the alarm for CC to wake up and realize what these dirtbags are doing

[MrDollarBills]

^this is what I mean. Wheeler absolutely adores CC and you can see from their interactions that there's a genuine bond there, so I cannot lie, her first response had to be disappointing to hear. Part of me thinks that Wheeler was one of the people who got in her ear.

It's a learning process. I hope things will move to a better place once the culture warriors realize that CC isn't going to carry their water for them.

[DorianRo]

Oh 7 Points for CC.. What a BEAST!!! . Theres probably 20 better players in the league and this one gets all the MJ hype

[CIN-C-STAR]

Yeah I just saw Dijonai's tweet

She is 1000000% right and I'm glad she spoke up. This is why I said that this isn't over yet. CC is going to have to face this.

Honestly, Dijonai did her a favor whether she realizes it or not: now she cannot run, she cannot hide. She has to face it.

Address exactly what she said. Condemn all of that mess with your chest and be done with it. Everyone who loves the league and players wants this to be about hoops but it's not. She's gotta be grown now. Like, yeah, you're not the one being racist and hateful, but people are using your name to do it. Step up. Perfect time to do it.

I have never heard anyone use Caitlin Clark to promote racism and misogyny though.
Granted I don't place myself in racist or misogynistic spaces, but can anyone refer me to an example?
Like, what are we talking about here? People acting like she did an endorsement deal with Cracker Barrel or something
I'm sure there are a few moronic posts over on X someone can dig up, since that's pretty much all that place is good for, but I'm not sure what that has to do with her or why people think she has to take responsibility for someone that she doesn't know making comments that she isn't aware of. This just seems silly and petty tbh.
It could easily be about hoops, but that's clearly not what people want it to be about with her. They want it to be about her race at every possible turn for whatever reason. I think people are using her to push all kinds of agendas, because she's a big name so they want to attach themselves to that, but she doesn't need to turn into some activist just because that's what some people want from her. Those people are just using her to push their agenda as well.
Let her just be a young lady that hoops. I don't see anyone saying Angel Reese or anyone else has to condemn their fans that are idiots or say dumb things, and if we're being honest I'm sure there's plenty of that out there too.

[Wingy]

Yeah I just saw Dijonai's tweet

She is 1000000% right and I'm glad she spoke up. This is why I said that this isn't over yet. CC is going to have to face this.

Honestly, Dijonai did her a favor whether she realizes it or not: now she cannot run, she cannot hide. She has to face it.

Address exactly what she said. Condemn all of that mess with your chest and be done with it. Everyone who loves the league and players wants this to be about hoops but it's not. She's gotta be grown now. Like, yeah, you're not the one being racist and hateful, but people are using your name to do it. Step up. Perfect time to do it.

I have never heard anyone use Caitlin Clark to promote racism and misogyny though.
Granted I don't place myself in racist or misogynistic spaces, but can anyone refer me to an example?
Like, what are we talking about here? People acting like she did an endorsement deal with Cracker Barrel or something
I'm sure there are a few moronic posts over on X someone can dig up, since that's pretty much all that place is good for, but I'm not sure what that has to do with her or why people think she has to take responsibility for someone that she doesn't know making comments that she isn't aware of. This just seems silly and petty tbh.
It could easily be about hoops, but that's clearly not what people want it to be about with her. They want it to be about her race at every possible turn for whatever reason. I think people are using her to push all kinds of agendas, because she's a big name so they want to attach themselves to that, but she doesn't need to turn into some activist just because that's what some people want from her. Those people are just using her to push their agenda as well.
Let her just be a young lady that hoops. I don't see anyone saying Angel Reese or anyone else has to condemn their fans that are idiots or say dumb things, and if we're being honest I'm sure there's plenty of that out there too.

See the vid below. I think A’ja is doing some selling (like Caitlin did vs Dijonai) that contributed to it being a harder fall, and Cameron did nothing wrong here other than commit a common foul.

Now review the comments. Do you think they are the same if this is A’ja committing the foul, and Caitlin getting fouled?

Watch on YouTube

Yet the extreme attention to any “crime” committed against Clark, and the opportunity to condemn, insult and even be outright racist/sexist/homophobic against other players in the league is how too many are using her to be…well…racist/sexist/homophobic (obviously w/o her consent).

It’s a whole lot of suck that this all unfairly falls on the shoulders of a 22 y/o woman who never asked for any of it…at least not in any way that differs from anyone else (ie - everyone’s gonna take advantage of those endorsement deals and the money in her position).

Should she have to speak up against this crap? You’d hope our society would be better and she wouldn’t need to. But it’s not. So it’s the right thing to do despite how unfair and unwanted it may be.

[CIN-C-STAR]

Yeah I just saw Dijonai's tweet

She is 1000000% right and I'm glad she spoke up. This is why I said that this isn't over yet. CC is going to have to face this.

Honestly, Dijonai did her a favor whether she realizes it or not: now she cannot run, she cannot hide. She has to face it.

Address exactly what she said. Condemn all of that mess with your chest and be done with it. Everyone who loves the league and players wants this to be about hoops but it's not. She's gotta be grown now. Like, yeah, you're not the one being racist and hateful, but people are using your name to do it. Step up. Perfect time to do it.

I have never heard anyone use Caitlin Clark to promote racism and misogyny though.
Granted I don't place myself in racist or misogynistic spaces, but can anyone refer me to an example?
Like, what are we talking about here? People acting like she did an endorsement deal with Cracker Barrel or something
I'm sure there are a few moronic posts over on X someone can dig up, since that's pretty much all that place is good for, but I'm not sure what that has to do with her or why people think she has to take responsibility for someone that she doesn't know making comments that she isn't aware of. This just seems silly and petty tbh.
It could easily be about hoops, but that's clearly not what people want it to be about with her. They want it to be about her race at every possible turn for whatever reason. I think people are using her to push all kinds of agendas, because she's a big name so they want to attach themselves to that, but she doesn't need to turn into some activist just because that's what some people want from her. Those people are just using her to push their agenda as well.
Let her just be a young lady that hoops. I don't see anyone saying Angel Reese or anyone else has to condemn their fans that are idiots or say dumb things, and if we're being honest I'm sure there's plenty of that out there too.

See the vid below. I think A’ja is doing some selling (like Caitlin did vs Dijonai) that contributed to it being a harder fall, and Cameron did nothing wrong here other than commit a common foul.

Now review the comments. Do you think they are the same if this is A’ja committing the foul, and Caitlin getting fouled?

Watch on YouTube

Yet the extreme attention to any “crime” committed against Clark, and the opportunity to condemn, insult and even be outright racist/sexist/homophobic against other players in the league is how too many are using her to be…well…racist/sexist/homophobic (obviously w/o her consent).

It’s a whole lot of suck that this all unfairly falls on the shoulders of a 22 y/o woman who never asked for any of it…at least not in any way that differs from anyone else (ie - everyone’s gonna take advantage of those endorsement deals and the money in her position).

Should she have to speak up against this crap? You’d hope our society would be better and she wouldn’t need to. But it’s not. So it’s the right thing to do despite how unfair and unwanted it may be.

Speaking out against racism and misogyny is easy to do and I'm glad she did it.
It's the people acting like she's responsible for some idiot's comment on Reddit that bothers me. Why was she even asked these questions in the first place? It's pretty obvious she's never embraced racism or misogyny in her entire public life.
I don't search out idiotic takes on social media, and I doubt she does either, so why did they ask her about something she probably has no awareness of, especially if they couldn't give a specific example for her to respond to?
And then you have people right here in this thread talking about what a huge favor Carrington did for Clark by publicly misconstruing what Clark said, saying Clark said she isn't bothered by her name being used to promote racism and misogyny and xenophobia and more
Clark never said that. Not even close.
She said she hasn't seen much of what the reporter was asking her about, and she's focused on her job, which is to hoop, not on outside things that she can't control.
What a huge favor to imply Clark is OK with racism, misogyny and xenophobia IN HER NAME, when she never said that at all

Look, here's a dumb Tweet I found in two seconds saying that Clark getting straight white people interested in the WNBA is "horrifying," and she should retire:

Read on Twitter

"Caitlin Clark bringing all these straight white conservatives to the queerest and blackest sports league in the United States is horrifying.
She should quit. lol"

Should all the non-heterosexual, non-white women in the WNBA be asked about this? Should we assume they are also horrified by straight white people attending their games, since someone who vaguely looks like them and is their fan said these things online?
Should they have to condemn these comments?
No, because that would be insulting to them to assume they are as idiotic as their worst fans.
And it's insulting to Clark too.
And it's insulting to go on X and inaccurately claim that Clark said she wasn't bothered by people using her name to promote racism and misogyny.

[sikma42]

I have never heard anyone use Caitlin Clark to promote racism and misogyny though.
Granted I don't place myself in racist or misogynistic spaces, but can anyone refer me to an example?
Like, what are we talking about here? People acting like she did an endorsement deal with Cracker Barrel or something
I'm sure there are a few moronic posts over on X someone can dig up, since that's pretty much all that place is good for, but I'm not sure what that has to do with her or why people think she has to take responsibility for someone that she doesn't know making comments that she isn't aware of. This just seems silly and petty tbh.
It could easily be about hoops, but that's clearly not what people want it to be about with her. They want it to be about her race at every possible turn for whatever reason. I think people are using her to push all kinds of agendas, because she's a big name so they want to attach themselves to that, but she doesn't need to turn into some activist just because that's what some people want from her. Those people are just using her to push their agenda as well.
Let her just be a young lady that hoops. I don't see anyone saying Angel Reese or anyone else has to condemn their fans that are idiots or say dumb things, and if we're being honest I'm sure there's plenty of that out there too.

See the vid below. I think A’ja is doing some selling (like Caitlin did vs Dijonai) that contributed to it being a harder fall, and Cameron did nothing wrong here other than commit a common foul.

Now review the comments. Do you think they are the same if this is A’ja committing the foul, and Caitlin getting fouled?

Watch on YouTube

Yet the extreme attention to any “crime” committed against Clark, and the opportunity to condemn, insult and even be outright racist/sexist/homophobic against other players in the league is how too many are using her to be…well…racist/sexist/homophobic (obviously w/o her consent).

It’s a whole lot of suck that this all unfairly falls on the shoulders of a 22 y/o woman who never asked for any of it…at least not in any way that differs from anyone else (ie - everyone’s gonna take advantage of those endorsement deals and the money in her position).

Should she have to speak up against this crap? You’d hope our society would be better and she wouldn’t need to. But it’s not. So it’s the right thing to do despite how unfair and unwanted it may be.

Speaking out against racism and misogyny is easy to do and I'm glad she did it.
It's the people acting like she's responsible for some idiot's comment on Reddit that bothers me. Why was she even asked these questions in the first place? It's pretty obvious she's never embraced racism or misogyny in her entire public life.
I don't search out idiotic takes on social media, and I doubt she does either, so why did they ask her about something she probably has no awareness of, especially if they couldn't give a specific example for her to respond to?
And then you have people right here in this thread talking about what a huge favor Carrington did for Clark by publicly misconstruing what Clark said, saying Clark said she isn't bothered by her name being used to promote racism and misogyny and xenophobia and more
Clark never said that. Not even close.
She said she hasn't seen much of what the reporter was asking her about, and she's focused on her job, which is to hoop, not on outside things that she can't control.
What a huge favor to imply Clark is OK with racism, misogyny and xenophobia IN HER NAME, when she never said that at all

Look, here's a dumb Tweet I found in two seconds saying that Clark getting straight white people interested in the WNBA is "horrifying," and she should retire:

Read on Twitter

"Caitlin Clark bringing all these straight white conservatives to the queerest and blackest sports league in the United States is horrifying.
She should quit. lol"

Should all the non-heterosexual, non-white women in the WNBA be asked about this? Should we assume they are also horrified by straight white people attending their games, since someone who vaguely looks like them and is their fan said these things online?
Should they have to condemn these comments?
No, because that would be insulting to them to assume they are as idiotic as their worst fans.
And it's insulting to Clark too.
And it's insulting to go on X and inaccurately claim that Clark said she wasn't bothered by people using her name to promote racism and misogyny.

Want to address that tweet. Not even the equivocation but the substance of the tweet. Because if this is the best example then you should do better. But yes, the tweet is shining light on the fact that lots of straight conservative men (many who were against the right to gay marriage, and were against Roe) are being brought into this sport (likely the most progressive sport), and it’s scary for the queer and black folks there. There is some intersectionality missing here bc many black men are at the forefront of this hatred against black men.

Yes, it is likely scary for these women. They should be worried (no one should have to deal with racial abuse like European soccer - especially when most make less random office workers). So agree or not, but imo you have to do a bit better.


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[MrDollarBills]

See the vid below. I think A’ja is doing some selling (like Caitlin did vs Dijonai) that contributed to it being a harder fall, and Cameron did nothing wrong here other than commit a common foul.

Now review the comments. Do you think they are the same if this is A’ja committing the foul, and Caitlin getting fouled?

Watch on YouTube

Yet the extreme attention to any “crime” committed against Clark, and the opportunity to condemn, insult and even be outright racist/sexist/homophobic against other players in the league is how too many are using her to be…well…racist/sexist/homophobic (obviously w/o her consent).

It’s a whole lot of suck that this all unfairly falls on the shoulders of a 22 y/o woman who never asked for any of it…at least not in any way that differs from anyone else (ie - everyone’s gonna take advantage of those endorsement deals and the money in her position).

Should she have to speak up against this crap? You’d hope our society would be better and she wouldn’t need to. But it’s not. So it’s the right thing to do despite how unfair and unwanted it may be.

Speaking out against racism and misogyny is easy to do and I'm glad she did it.
It's the people acting like she's responsible for some idiot's comment on Reddit that bothers me. Why was she even asked these questions in the first place? It's pretty obvious she's never embraced racism or misogyny in her entire public life.
I don't search out idiotic takes on social media, and I doubt she does either, so why did they ask her about something she probably has no awareness of, especially if they couldn't give a specific example for her to respond to?
And then you have people right here in this thread talking about what a huge favor Carrington did for Clark by publicly misconstruing what Clark said, saying Clark said she isn't bothered by her name being used to promote racism and misogyny and xenophobia and more
Clark never said that. Not even close.
She said she hasn't seen much of what the reporter was asking her about, and she's focused on her job, which is to hoop, not on outside things that she can't control.
What a huge favor to imply Clark is OK with racism, misogyny and xenophobia IN HER NAME, when she never said that at all

Look, here's a dumb Tweet I found in two seconds saying that Clark getting straight white people interested in the WNBA is "horrifying," and she should retire:

Read on Twitter

"Caitlin Clark bringing all these straight white conservatives to the queerest and blackest sports league in the United States is horrifying.
She should quit. lol"

Should all the non-heterosexual, non-white women in the WNBA be asked about this? Should we assume they are also horrified by straight white people attending their games, since someone who vaguely looks like them and is their fan said these things online?
Should they have to condemn these comments?
No, because that would be insulting to them to assume they are as idiotic as their worst fans.
And it's insulting to Clark too.
And it's insulting to go on X and inaccurately claim that Clark said she wasn't bothered by people using her name to promote racism and misogyny.

Want to address that tweet. Not even the equivocation but the substance of the tweet. Because if this is the best example then you should do better. But yes, the tweet is shining light on the fact that lots of straight conservative men (many who were against the right to gay marriage, and were against Roe) are being brought into this sport (likely the most progressive sport), and it’s scary for the queer and black folks there. There is some intersectionality missing here bc many black men are at the forefront of this hatred against black men.

Yes, it is likely scary for these women. They should be worried (no one should have to deal with racial abuse like European soccer - especially when most make less random office workers). So agree or not, but imo you have to do a bit better.


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Thank you. The fact that dude had the audacity to use that tweet to prove a point shows me everything that I needed to know and literally reconfirms that the person who wrote that tweet is absolutely right to fear conservative men/far right culture warriors/nazis, whatever you wanna call these sh*t bags, entering these spaces. Why? Because people like OP do not care what happens to them.

The last Liberty game I went to the majority of the people there were women/girls/persons of all ethnicities and openly LGBTQ people. That game was a literal safe space for underserved and unprotected groups. Myself as a straight Black man, i was mindful of that and considered myself a guest in the building and I acted accordingly. That was and -is- their space. And while I had a sh*t ton of fun, and the folks who were seated around us were awesome and very chill, I can totally understand the fear of women and queer folks over what can happen when bad faith hostile actors begins entering these spaces.

"Caitlin Clark bringing all these straight white conservatives to the queerest and blackest sports league in the United States is horrifying.
She should quit. lol"

"She should quit LOL" isn't meant to be taken literally. It's meant to be taken as a sign of fear that her personality cult is going to cause irreparable harm at one of these events, and by CC's initial refusal to condemn these losers, she was not helping. At all. These men are violent, vile people who want to start civil unrest and social upheaval under the banner of white ethno nationalism, and they look for soft targets to prey upon. The poster of that tweet is SPOT on.

No one here ever said that CC supports racism or bigotry but there is the responsibility for her to ensure that she makes it known that she does not condone people using her name to push a hate fueled political agenda that targets minorities, women and queer/trans people. Nor did Dijonai misconstrue anything that she said. CC's first answer was unacceptable and she got checked for it. Her second answer was correct. I just wish she said this without being prompted.

Either way...dude needs to do better. If he really wants to, that is, because I sense an air of disingenuous behavior throughout his entire post.

[MrDollarBills]

Yeah I just saw Dijonai's tweet

She is 1000000% right and I'm glad she spoke up. This is why I said that this isn't over yet. CC is going to have to face this.

Honestly, Dijonai did her a favor whether she realizes it or not: now she cannot run, she cannot hide. She has to face it.

Address exactly what she said. Condemn all of that mess with your chest and be done with it. Everyone who loves the league and players wants this to be about hoops but it's not. She's gotta be grown now. Like, yeah, you're not the one being racist and hateful, but people are using your name to do it. Step up. Perfect time to do it.

I have never heard anyone use Caitlin Clark to promote racism and misogyny though.
Granted I don't place myself in racist or misogynistic spaces, but can anyone refer me to an example?
Like, what are we talking about here? People acting like she did an endorsement deal with Cracker Barrel or something
I'm sure there are a few moronic posts over on X someone can dig up, since that's pretty much all that place is good for, but I'm not sure what that has to do with her or why people think she has to take responsibility for someone that she doesn't know making comments that she isn't aware of. This just seems silly and petty tbh.
It could easily be about hoops, but that's clearly not what people want it to be about with her. They want it to be about her race at every possible turn for whatever reason. I think people are using her to push all kinds of agendas, because she's a big name so they want to attach themselves to that, but she doesn't need to turn into some activist just because that's what some people want from her. Those people are just using her to push their agenda as well.
Let her just be a young lady that hoops. I don't see anyone saying Angel Reese or anyone else has to condemn their fans that are idiots or say dumb things, and if we're being honest I'm sure there's plenty of that out there too.

See the vid below. I think A’ja is doing some selling (like Caitlin did vs Dijonai) that contributed to it being a harder fall, and Cameron did nothing wrong here other than commit a common foul.

Now review the comments. Do you think they are the same if this is A’ja committing the foul, and Caitlin getting fouled?

Watch on YouTube

Yet the extreme attention to any “crime” committed against Clark, and the opportunity to condemn, insult and even be outright racist/sexist/homophobic against other players in the league is how too many are using her to be…well…racist/sexist/homophobic (obviously w/o her consent).

It’s a whole lot of suck that this all unfairly falls on the shoulders of a 22 y/o woman who never asked for any of it…at least not in any way that differs from anyone else (ie - everyone’s gonna take advantage of those endorsement deals and the money in her position).

Should she have to speak up against this crap? You’d hope our society would be better and she wouldn’t need to. But it’s not. So it’s the right thing to do despite how unfair and unwanted it may be.

Clark's teammates have been on the receiving end of racist/homophobic attacks all season long. But sure, Caitlin is the victim here....her fanbase is unfortunately full of really bad people/cultists that hate the people around her.

It's sad because I like her a lot. Once I saw that Maya Moore was her hero, I was like okay I'm gonna root for her. And I still am. I just hope she understands, if she really wants to follow in Maya's footsteps, she has a responsibility to use her power and platform to protect her fellow players.

[CIN-C-STAR]

See the vid below. I think A’ja is doing some selling (like Caitlin did vs Dijonai) that contributed to it being a harder fall, and Cameron did nothing wrong here other than commit a common foul.

Now review the comments. Do you think they are the same if this is A’ja committing the foul, and Caitlin getting fouled?

Watch on YouTube

Yet the extreme attention to any “crime” committed against Clark, and the opportunity to condemn, insult and even be outright racist/sexist/homophobic against other players in the league is how too many are using her to be…well…racist/sexist/homophobic (obviously w/o her consent).

It’s a whole lot of suck that this all unfairly falls on the shoulders of a 22 y/o woman who never asked for any of it…at least not in any way that differs from anyone else (ie - everyone’s gonna take advantage of those endorsement deals and the money in her position).

Should she have to speak up against this crap? You’d hope our society would be better and she wouldn’t need to. But it’s not. So it’s the right thing to do despite how unfair and unwanted it may be.

Speaking out against racism and misogyny is easy to do and I'm glad she did it.
It's the people acting like she's responsible for some idiot's comment on Reddit that bothers me. Why was she even asked these questions in the first place? It's pretty obvious she's never embraced racism or misogyny in her entire public life.
I don't search out idiotic takes on social media, and I doubt she does either, so why did they ask her about something she probably has no awareness of, especially if they couldn't give a specific example for her to respond to?
And then you have people right here in this thread talking about what a huge favor Carrington did for Clark by publicly misconstruing what Clark said, saying Clark said she isn't bothered by her name being used to promote racism and misogyny and xenophobia and more
Clark never said that. Not even close.
She said she hasn't seen much of what the reporter was asking her about, and she's focused on her job, which is to hoop, not on outside things that she can't control.
What a huge favor to imply Clark is OK with racism, misogyny and xenophobia IN HER NAME, when she never said that at all

Look, here's a dumb Tweet I found in two seconds saying that Clark getting straight white people interested in the WNBA is "horrifying," and she should retire:

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"Caitlin Clark bringing all these straight white conservatives to the queerest and blackest sports league in the United States is horrifying.
She should quit. lol"

Should all the non-heterosexual, non-white women in the WNBA be asked about this? Should we assume they are also horrified by straight white people attending their games, since someone who vaguely looks like them and is their fan said these things online?
Should they have to condemn these comments?
No, because that would be insulting to them to assume they are as idiotic as their worst fans.
And it's insulting to Clark too.
And it's insulting to go on X and inaccurately claim that Clark said she wasn't bothered by people using her name to promote racism and misogyny.

Want to address that tweet. Not even the equivocation but the substance of the tweet. Because if this is the best example then you should do better. But yes, the tweet is shining light on the fact that lots of straight conservative men (many who were against the right to gay marriage, and were against Roe) are being brought into this sport (likely the most progressive sport), and it’s scary for the queer and black folks there. There is some intersectionality missing here bc many black men are at the forefront of this hatred against black men.

Yes, it is likely scary for these women. They should be worried (no one should have to deal with racial abuse like European soccer - especially when most make less random office workers). So agree or not, but imo you have to do a bit better.


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Sorry, but saying you should be scared of people because they are straight and/or white is idiotic imo.
Scared of homophobes? Sure.
Scared of racists? OK.
Those statements address real societal problems. The tweet in question however is just lazy stereotyping. It addresses no issues in a meaningful way and only serves to divide people.
And there are plenty of gay racists and black homophobes btw.
I think you need to do a bit better if you think calling straight white people "horrifying" and saying Clark should retire because her fans are too white is advancing social justice in any way. It's not.

[MrDollarBills]

Also, Angel Reese doesn't have a fanbase who is engaging in racist culture wars crap, her fanbase is full of little girls that look up to her and see her for what she is: a very intelligent, super strong young woman who continues to claw her way to stardom regardless of what anyone says about her. She doesn't have to condemn anyone because her fans aren't out there making racist death threats or calling her teammates "men".

[MrDollarBills]

Speaking out against racism and misogyny is easy to do and I'm glad she did it.
It's the people acting like she's responsible for some idiot's comment on Reddit that bothers me. Why was she even asked these questions in the first place? It's pretty obvious she's never embraced racism or misogyny in her entire public life.
I don't search out idiotic takes on social media, and I doubt she does either, so why did they ask her about something she probably has no awareness of, especially if they couldn't give a specific example for her to respond to?
And then you have people right here in this thread talking about what a huge favor Carrington did for Clark by publicly misconstruing what Clark said, saying Clark said she isn't bothered by her name being used to promote racism and misogyny and xenophobia and more
Clark never said that. Not even close.
She said she hasn't seen much of what the reporter was asking her about, and she's focused on her job, which is to hoop, not on outside things that she can't control.
What a huge favor to imply Clark is OK with racism, misogyny and xenophobia IN HER NAME, when she never said that at all

Look, here's a dumb Tweet I found in two seconds saying that Clark getting straight white people interested in the WNBA is "horrifying," and she should retire:

Read on Twitter

"Caitlin Clark bringing all these straight white conservatives to the queerest and blackest sports league in the United States is horrifying.
She should quit. lol"

Should all the non-heterosexual, non-white women in the WNBA be asked about this? Should we assume they are also horrified by straight white people attending their games, since someone who vaguely looks like them and is their fan said these things online?
Should they have to condemn these comments?
No, because that would be insulting to them to assume they are as idiotic as their worst fans.
And it's insulting to Clark too.
And it's insulting to go on X and inaccurately claim that Clark said she wasn't bothered by people using her name to promote racism and misogyny.

Want to address that tweet. Not even the equivocation but the substance of the tweet. Because if this is the best example then you should do better. But yes, the tweet is shining light on the fact that lots of straight conservative men (many who were against the right to gay marriage, and were against Roe) are being brought into this sport (likely the most progressive sport), and it’s scary for the queer and black folks there. There is some intersectionality missing here bc many black men are at the forefront of this hatred against black men.

Yes, it is likely scary for these women. They should be worried (no one should have to deal with racial abuse like European soccer - especially when most make less random office workers). So agree or not, but imo you have to do a bit better.


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Sorry, but saying you should be scared of people because they are straight and/or white is idiotic imo.
Scared of homophobes? Sure.
Scared of racists? OK.
Those statements address real societal problems. The tweet in question however is just lazy stereotyping. It addresses no issues in a meaningful way and only serves to divide people.
And there are plenty of gay racists and black homophobes btw.
I think you need to do a bit better if you think calling straight white people "horrifying" and saying Clark should retire because her fans are too white is advancing social justice in any way. It's not.

Like I said: You do not care. Because if you did you would stop and try to engage in empathy and understanding instead of trying to force your worldview on people who are literally suffering, underserved, and at risk. You may not see it, but I have and they have every right to be scared of conservative men with bad intentions entering their spaces.

The fact that you take offense says that the tweet hit you in a manner that made you uncomfortable. You should ask yourself why it bothers you so much.

And buddy, I know that there are Black homophobic people. I hate their asses too because they cause generational trauma/violence and harm on our queer folks. That is why I wrote that as a straight Black man, I considered myself a guest in a predominantly Black woman/queer space and wanted to be sure that I was being mindful of that.

[KembaWalker]

Also, Angel Reese doesn't have a fanbase who is engaging in racist culture wars crap, her fanbase is full of little girls that look up to her and see her for what she is: a very intelligent, super strong young woman who continues to claw her way to stardom regardless of what anyone says about her. She doesn't have to condemn anyone because her fans aren't out there making racist death threats or calling her teammates "men".

You can have your stance and opinions but cmon man. Anyone who has spent more than 5 minutes reading twitter discourse would know you’re making stuff up

[sikma42]

Speaking out against racism and misogyny is easy to do and I'm glad she did it.
It's the people acting like she's responsible for some idiot's comment on Reddit that bothers me. Why was she even asked these questions in the first place? It's pretty obvious she's never embraced racism or misogyny in her entire public life.
I don't search out idiotic takes on social media, and I doubt she does either, so why did they ask her about something she probably has no awareness of, especially if they couldn't give a specific example for her to respond to?
And then you have people right here in this thread talking about what a huge favor Carrington did for Clark by publicly misconstruing what Clark said, saying Clark said she isn't bothered by her name being used to promote racism and misogyny and xenophobia and more
Clark never said that. Not even close.
She said she hasn't seen much of what the reporter was asking her about, and she's focused on her job, which is to hoop, not on outside things that she can't control.
What a huge favor to imply Clark is OK with racism, misogyny and xenophobia IN HER NAME, when she never said that at all

Look, here's a dumb Tweet I found in two seconds saying that Clark getting straight white people interested in the WNBA is "horrifying," and she should retire:

Read on Twitter

"Caitlin Clark bringing all these straight white conservatives to the queerest and blackest sports league in the United States is horrifying.
She should quit. lol"

Should all the non-heterosexual, non-white women in the WNBA be asked about this? Should we assume they are also horrified by straight white people attending their games, since someone who vaguely looks like them and is their fan said these things online?
Should they have to condemn these comments?
No, because that would be insulting to them to assume they are as idiotic as their worst fans.
And it's insulting to Clark too.
And it's insulting to go on X and inaccurately claim that Clark said she wasn't bothered by people using her name to promote racism and misogyny.

Want to address that tweet. Not even the equivocation but the substance of the tweet. Because if this is the best example then you should do better. But yes, the tweet is shining light on the fact that lots of straight conservative men (many who were against the right to gay marriage, and were against Roe) are being brought into this sport (likely the most progressive sport), and it’s scary for the queer and black folks there. There is some intersectionality missing here bc many black men are at the forefront of this hatred against black men.

Yes, it is likely scary for these women. They should be worried (no one should have to deal with racial abuse like European soccer - especially when most make less random office workers). So agree or not, but imo you have to do a bit better.


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Sorry, but saying you should be scared of people because they are straight and/or white is idiotic imo.
Scared of homophobes? Sure.
Scared of racists? OK.
Those statements address real societal problems. The tweet in question however is just lazy stereotyping. It addresses no issues in a meaningful way and only serves to divide people.
And there are plenty of gay racists and black homophobes btw.
I think you need to do a bit better if you think calling straight white people "horrifying" and saying Clark should retire because her fans are too white is advancing social justice in any way. It's not.

Sounds like you are being disingenuous. I clearly said conservative men (I’m in just reiterated the tweet you pulled - I haven’t given my views). But conservatism for many mean being against Roe and gay marriage, which would obviously be against the views of an overwhelming portion of the league. It is scary that they are dealing with these assaults.

You are cherry picking some tweet and building a strawman. I said you need a better exemplar and something else behind it. I also addressed that there are many black men engaging in misogynoir here.


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[sikma42]

Also, Angel Reese doesn't have a fanbase who is engaging in racist culture wars crap, her fanbase is full of little girls that look up to her and see her for what she is: a very intelligent, super strong young woman who continues to claw her way to stardom regardless of what anyone says about her. She doesn't have to condemn anyone because her fans aren't out there making racist death threats or calling her teammates "men".

You can have your stance and opinions but cmon man. Anyone who has spent more than 5 minutes reading twitter discourse would know you’re making stuff up

On on Twitter way too much. I’ve just seen people defending AR. Haven’t seen any pattern of discourse weaponizing Reese in that way.

Most of what I see is Twitter and even main stream institutions attacking many of the WNBA players (not CC) in a way that reeks of misogyny.


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[Wingy]

Clark's teammates have been on the receiving end of racist/homophobic attacks all season long. But sure, Caitlin is the victim here....her fanbase is unfortunately full of really bad people/cultists that hate the people around her.

It's sad because I like her a lot. Once I saw that Maya Moore was her hero, I was like okay I'm gonna root for her. And I still am. I just hope she understands, if she really wants to follow in Maya's footsteps, she has a responsibility to use her power and platform to protect her fellow players.

Excluding a true hero like Jackie Robinson (makes Caitlin’s situation pale in comparison), she’s being asked to handle a situation that virtually no athlete in our country has ever had to face.

It’s not making her a victim. It’s acknowledging reality, and having some basic human empathy. It’s easy for outsiders on a keyboard to say do this, do that when we’ve never even come close to carrying a similar spotlight. It’s ok to acknowledge Clark’s humanity as well.

[sikma42]

Clark's teammates have been on the receiving end of racist/homophobic attacks all season long. But sure, Caitlin is the victim here....her fanbase is unfortunately full of really bad people/cultists that hate the people around her.

It's sad because I like her a lot. Once I saw that Maya Moore was her hero, I was like okay I'm gonna root for her. And I still am. I just hope she understands, if she really wants to follow in Maya's footsteps, she has a responsibility to use her power and platform to protect her fellow players.

Excluding a true hero like Jackie Robinson (makes Caitlin’s situation pale in comparison), she’s being asked to handle a situation that virtually no athlete in our country has ever had to face.

It’s not making her a victim. It’s acknowledging reality, and having some basic human empathy. It’s easy for outsiders on a keyboard to say do this, do that when we’ve never even come close to carrying a similar spotlight. It’s ok to acknowledge Clark’s humanity as well.

I really think you are exaggerating this situation. Tiger and Venus/Serena both handled these situations. In Tigers case it was much worse. Also social media want the same force.

Also this isn’t some racial integration scenario. WNBA has had great white basketball players. They are loved and respected. WNBA likes CC. The issue seems to be CC being used as a figure head to attack the women of the league. The issue her cult-like fans.

My one take away is that, she might not be a GOAT and her fans will blame the world for it. Even last night, I listened to bloggers any at the Fever team because they one and CC didn’t get more shots and was being misused. People threatened to stop watching if they didn’t get Iowa CC and assume the coach is conspiring against her. It’s a cult like environment.

Edit: even mentioning Jackie Robinsons name makes me realize this is a ridiculous conversation.


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