How is CC's rookie year going to go?

[Doctor MJ]

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I think they should part ways if we’re being honest. Clark isn’t meant for the WNBA and vice versa. It’s too toxic. She should go play in Europe.

So, I'd disagree.

I would say that the US now utterly dominates women's basketball in a manner that a) US men don't and b) US women didn't before the WNBA.

I would say the illusion that other leagues mattered more than the WNBA was based on Russian oligarchs throwing money at women so they could treat them as pets, and that's now probably gone forever.

Now, Clark herself could surely get more money to be a pet than any basketball woman before is she wanted...but I don't think it can match the American endorsement money she can get if she stays in the States.

And further, WNBA salaries are about to explode with the main rival likely being the Unrivaled league that WNBA players are starting domestically.

So yeah, as with the men, I would not suggest any great basketball talents waste their time by leaving the US entirely. The most they should consider doing in general is playing in the off-season somewhere else.

Clark is such a star the money will follow. She’s the tail that can wag the dog anywhere. If this toxicity is so prevalent any person woukd likely want to remove themselves from it if you had the type of leverage that she has. I’m sure the competitor on her would want to stay but is it worth it from a mental standpoint? I don’t think so. A lot of girls don’t want her or “her fans” around. She has the star power to remove herself.

I don't know why you'd think that her abandoning the US when the US drives all the dominant money in basketball to go play somewhere that is awake at the wrong time would be a reasonable choice if you want to make the most money possible.

And of course, if you don't care about money but just care about basketball, it would be even crazier to leave the US.

Re: is it worth it mentally? I mean the alternative is to go live 12 months a year somewhere she has no experience and no family base. If you're going to do that for less money to go play against lesser opponents who won't help you be the best you can be at basketball, you might just consider not playing basketball.

[Billy Goat]

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So, I'd disagree.

I would say that the US now utterly dominates women's basketball in a manner that a) US men don't and b) US women didn't before the WNBA.

I would say the illusion that other leagues mattered more than the WNBA was based on Russian oligarchs throwing money at women so they could treat them as pets, and that's now probably gone forever.

Now, Clark herself could surely get more money to be a pet than any basketball woman before is she wanted...but I don't think it can match the American endorsement money she can get if she stays in the States.

And further, WNBA salaries are about to explode with the main rival likely being the Unrivaled league that WNBA players are starting domestically.

So yeah, as with the men, I would not suggest any great basketball talents waste their time by leaving the US entirely. The most they should consider doing in general is playing in the off-season somewhere else.

Clark is such a star the money will follow. She’s the tail that can wag the dog anywhere. If this toxicity is so prevalent any person woukd likely want to remove themselves from it if you had the type of leverage that she has. I’m sure the competitor on her would want to stay but is it worth it from a mental standpoint? I don’t think so. A lot of girls don’t want her or “her fans” around. She has the star power to remove herself.

I don't know why you'd think that her abandoning the US when the US drives all the dominant money in basketball to go play somewhere that is awake at the wrong time would be a reasonable choice if you want to make the most money possible.

And of course, if you don't care about money but just care about basketball, it would be even crazier to leave the US.

Re: is it worth it mentally? I mean the alternative is to go live 12 months a year somewhere she has no experience and no family base. If you're going to do that for less money to go play against lesser opponents who won't help you be the best you can be at basketball, you might just consider not playing basketball.

She’ll have other options. Could always take the big 3 offer. She proved herself this year that she can play with them. He’ll if the league is going to take on Christine Brennan of all people, while the guy today is allowed to ask CC for the billionth time if she condemns “her fans” it has no hope of getting better. It’s way too toxic.

[Doctor MJ]

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Clark is such a star the money will follow. She’s the tail that can wag the dog anywhere. If this toxicity is so prevalent any person woukd likely want to remove themselves from it if you had the type of leverage that she has. I’m sure the competitor on her would want to stay but is it worth it from a mental standpoint? I don’t think so. A lot of girls don’t want her or “her fans” around. She has the star power to remove herself.

I don't know why you'd think that her abandoning the US when the US drives all the dominant money in basketball to go play somewhere that is awake at the wrong time would be a reasonable choice if you want to make the most money possible.

And of course, if you don't care about money but just care about basketball, it would be even crazier to leave the US.

Re: is it worth it mentally? I mean the alternative is to go live 12 months a year somewhere she has no experience and no family base. If you're going to do that for less money to go play against lesser opponents who won't help you be the best you can be at basketball, you might just consider not playing basketball.

She’ll have other options. Could always take the big 3 offer. She proved herself this year that she can play with them. He’ll if the league is going to take on Christine Brennan of all people, while the guy today is allowed to ask CC for the billionth time if she condemns “her fans” it has no hope of getting better. It’s way too toxic.

Of course she'll have options, but they won't be as lucrative, they won't make her better at basketball, and they won't inspired little girls the same way. The only advantage is that possibly she'll have less drama in her life, but she's handled everything just fine so far, so I don't she's looking to go run away and hide like you suggest.

[Billy Goat]

I don't know why you'd think that her abandoning the US when the US drives all the dominant money in basketball to go play somewhere that is awake at the wrong time would be a reasonable choice if you want to make the most money possible.

And of course, if you don't care about money but just care about basketball, it would be even crazier to leave the US.

Re: is it worth it mentally? I mean the alternative is to go live 12 months a year somewhere she has no experience and no family base. If you're going to do that for less money to go play against lesser opponents who won't help you be the best you can be at basketball, you might just consider not playing basketball.

She’ll have other options. Could always take the big 3 offer. She proved herself this year that she can play with them. He’ll if the league is going to take on Christine Brennan of all people, while the guy today is allowed to ask CC for the billionth time if she condemns “her fans” it has no hope of getting better. It’s way too toxic.

Of course she'll have options, but they won't be as lucrative, they won't make her better at basketball, and they won't inspired little girls the same way. The only advantage is that possibly she'll have less drama in her life, but she's handled everything just fine so far, so I don't she's looking to go run away and hide like you suggest.

I think everyone has a limit. Plenty of time this offseason to think about it

[rmontro]

She’ll have other options. Could always take the big 3 offer.

Even the LPGA would welcome her. Don't know how successful she'd be, but they'd take her.

[Doctor MJ]

She’ll have other options. Could always take the big 3 offer. She proved herself this year that she can play with them. He’ll if the league is going to take on Christine Brennan of all people, while the guy today is allowed to ask CC for the billionth time if she condemns “her fans” it has no hope of getting better. It’s way too toxic.

Of course she'll have options, but they won't be as lucrative, they won't make her better at basketball, and they won't inspired little girls the same way. The only advantage is that possibly she'll have less drama in her life, but she's handled everything just fine so far, so I don't she's looking to go run away and hide like you suggest.

I think everyone has a limit. Plenty of time this offseason to think about it

True, but I don't think Clark is near hers.

[theforumblue]

Absolutely abhorrant behavior from the racist trolls parading as fans.

But I don't like that the wnba was more than happy to take their money and kept relatively quiet about it the whole season. It almost feels like they gave the go ahead for players/coaches/media to really start talking about this now that fever's season is done and money train won't be disrupted.

Clark was forced to hire a bodyguard.

what's that got to do with what the league didnt do?

besides, internet says she's had one since 2022.

[Billy Goat]

She’ll have other options. Could always take the big 3 offer.

Even the LPGA would welcome her. Don't know how successful she'd be, but they'd take her.

They certainly would.

[Billy Goat]

Absolutely abhorrant behavior from the racist trolls parading as fans.

But I don't like that the wnba was more than happy to take their money and kept relatively quiet about it the whole season. It almost feels like they gave the go ahead for players/coaches/media to really start talking about this now that fever's season is done and money train won't be disrupted.

Clark was forced to hire a bodyguard.

what's that got to do with what the league didnt do?

besides, internet says she's had one since 2022.

Should the league tell the internet to be nicer? These are pro athletes- they’re going to face nonsense if they hang out online.

[theforumblue]

Clark was forced to hire a bodyguard.

what's that got to do with what the league didnt do?

besides, internet says she's had one since 2022.

Should the league tell the internet to be nicer? These are pro athletes- they’re going to face nonsense if they hang out online.

except this wasnt some purely internet drama on twitter. there was a subset of CC fans that were paying good money to go to the games and were abusive. but the league didnt want to want to rock the boat, i assume because they didn't know if it was 1% or 50% or 90% of the new fans that they might piss off. record setting attendances at home and away games, no they weren't gonna mess with that. they chose the money over showing support for their players and denouncing this thing that's been going on all season. commissioner's non-answer few weeks back to a very pointed question about this issue basically showed the league office's hand.

would the league denouncing the stupidity actually have accomplished anything? probably not. but it's a bad look nonetheless to act like nothing was happening.

[sikma42]

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Clark is such a star the money will follow. She’s the tail that can wag the dog anywhere. If this toxicity is so prevalent any person woukd likely want to remove themselves from it if you had the type of leverage that she has. I’m sure the competitor on her would want to stay but is it worth it from a mental standpoint? I don’t think so. A lot of girls don’t want her or “her fans” around. She has the star power to remove herself.

I don't know why you'd think that her abandoning the US when the US drives all the dominant money in basketball to go play somewhere that is awake at the wrong time would be a reasonable choice if you want to make the most money possible.

And of course, if you don't care about money but just care about basketball, it would be even crazier to leave the US.

Re: is it worth it mentally? I mean the alternative is to go live 12 months a year somewhere she has no experience and no family base. If you're going to do that for less money to go play against lesser opponents who won't help you be the best you can be at basketball, you might just consider not playing basketball.

She’ll have other options. Could always take the big 3 offer. She proved herself this year that she can play with them. He’ll if the league is going to take on Christine Brennan of all people, while the guy today is allowed to ask CC for the billionth time if she condemns “her fans” it has no hope of getting better. It’s way too toxic.

Lmao she proved she could play with the Big 3? I don’t think you get the gap between men’s and women’s basketball.


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continues to bat 1000 in interviews. what i appreciate most is how her stance has never changed and she has never played victim or made it all about Caitlin. every interview she gives props to her opponent and her teammates without fail.

I feel like even acknowledging randoms online making empty silly statements is even a waste. The league needs to block that stuff out like every other league and organization that gets it. Everyone does.

I think you've got a point if it stayed online, but it isn't. The reports from the Sun-Fever series are ugly.

In general I'd emphasize that there have been problematic actors on both sides, and yes that includes some WNBA players on the "other side", but there is clearly a CC + MAGA fan base that is traveling to road Fever games and heckling with racial connotations, and this is a thing that the WNBA needs to figure out how to handle.

CC on the other hand seems to know how to take the high road every time, which is extremely impressive.

Personally i dont buy the narrative that the wnba is "allowing" racist and hateful comments at games or online because they dont want to lose a segment of Clark fans. Clark already disowned those comments months ago and the idea that you would lose her fanbase because you did so as well seems very flawed. Ive heard players speak out about what has been said to them online but hearing its now happening at games is new to me. I assume that would have been brought up on this forum. I dont think there is anything you can do about online discourse, but there are very many things that can be done inside an sports arena.

But if i was to criticize the wnba for anything it would be a little of everything. Their scheduling, commentators (some i really like tho), refs, marketing and just about the entire product is lacking. Not their fault as its primarily a funding issue but the entire league needs work. Not having the lower seed teams get guaranteed playoff ticket revenue is insane.

i do feel bad for the writer of the article not being able to enjoy the game. She gives some good examples of inappropriate behavior she experienced at the game; also sounds like a passivist. Which is why its unfair of her to criticize Clark for not doing more when you yourself kept silent. Much of the article felt as if she already had her mind made up as to what a Clark fan is. Also someone who has never watched a sports game in hostile territory. When i wear a Cubs/Bulls hat to Milwaukee games i get it every single time lol. Another criticism i have of the W is not enough journalist's covering games, i have never heard of the ANDSCAPE website; this should be talked about on a bigger platform.

The WNBA should throw some of that extra dough they got this year at Zach Lowe; have him be a lead writer and set the tone for fans that appreciate basketball first talk.

[Billy Goat]

I don't know why you'd think that her abandoning the US when the US drives all the dominant money in basketball to go play somewhere that is awake at the wrong time would be a reasonable choice if you want to make the most money possible.

And of course, if you don't care about money but just care about basketball, it would be even crazier to leave the US.

Re: is it worth it mentally? I mean the alternative is to go live 12 months a year somewhere she has no experience and no family base. If you're going to do that for less money to go play against lesser opponents who won't help you be the best you can be at basketball, you might just consider not playing basketball.

She’ll have other options. Could always take the big 3 offer. She proved herself this year that she can play with them. He’ll if the league is going to take on Christine Brennan of all people, while the guy today is allowed to ask CC for the billionth time if she condemns “her fans” it has no hope of getting better. It’s way too toxic.

Lmao she proved she could play with the Big 3? I don’t think you get the gap between men’s and women’s basketball.


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She proved she could play in the wnba so if she left people wouldn’t be dogging her for not being good enough. She could easily leave

[rmontro]

Personally i dont buy the narrative that the wnba is "allowing" racist and hateful comments at games or online because they dont want to lose a segment of Clark fans.

Every time I read about "racist" fans, I always wonder which racist fans they are talking about, racists who are fans of Clark, or the racists who hate Clark. Because honestly, I have heard more from and about the latter group than the former.

[Pelon chingon]

I would say her rookie season went well given the amount of abuse she had to endure on/off the court. She's clearly the best talent the WNBA has ever seen and may ever see to be frank.

[boogiezen]

what's that got to do with what the league didnt do?

besides, internet says she's had one since 2022.

Should the league tell the internet to be nicer? These are pro athletes- they’re going to face nonsense if they hang out online.

except this wasnt some purely internet drama on twitter. there was a subset of CC fans that were paying good money to go to the games and were abusive. but the league didnt want to want to rock the boat, i assume because they didn't know if it was 1% or 50% or 90% of the new fans that they might piss off. record setting attendances at home and away games, no they weren't gonna mess with that. they chose the money over showing support for their players and denouncing this thing that's been going on all season. commissioner's non-answer few weeks back to a very pointed question about this issue basically showed the league office's hand.

would the league denouncing the stupidity actually have accomplished anything? probably not. but it's a bad look nonetheless to act like nothing was happening.

Like show some evidence. They're talking about online abused. But you can't control the internet. Lol. Heck, like what happened to Kyrie Irving against the Celtics in the NBA Finals. Did Kyrie ask the NBA or Tatum to stop the racial slurs thrown at him by the Celtics fans? NO. Did Danny Green ask Lebron or the NBA to stop the death threats against him by the Lakers fans? Only in the WNBA.

This is Caitlin Clark behind the scenes by the way. Trying and helping the players to get spot bonuses. But you will never going to hear this from the mainstream media or the WBB/WNBA space because it's not agenda driven.

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[zimpy27]

Yeah she's 1 of 1.

WNBA is very lucky she exists and will benefit phenomenally well from her presence.

More attention brings more poor character people. 1 in 100 people might be poorly behaved and that really adds up if you're bringing millions of people to the sport.

I wish the players focused more on the positive than the negative from the fans brought in. That's all I'd say.

[Ice Man]

Come on now. Clark has faced very little abuse. A huge amount of pressure and attention, that is for sure, but she faces about as little abuse as any super famous athlete ever gets. She is enormously popular, both with sports fans who are not traditional women's basketball fans and with those who follow the sport. She is widely praised for her gracious demeanor and willingness to praise other players. She of course is never booed at home games, and rarely so on the road. The media coverage of her is almost universally positive.

For recent WNBA comps, I would posit rookie Wemby and Steph during his first MVP season. As with Clark, they both played super exciting style games in a fashion that the league had not before seen, had engaging personalities, and received big ovations both at home and on the road. This year was a love-in for Clark. As Indy becomes a title contender, she's gonna get a lot more criticism than she does now, because then the Fever will be a genuine threat to other teams, rather than just a cute story.

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Defending her hasnt changed

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looks like 60s nba