What would be all Europe Team?

[Chuck Diesel]

In the D-League, fundamentals are stressed upon a lot more than the NBA. That is why you see a lot of top D-League players flourishing in Europe, a fundamental system of basketball. However, the level of Euroleague, ACB, ect is much higher than the D-League since those leagues include NBA caliber players as well as the fundamental-based players.

You are way off the mark here on a number of D-league issues. Fundamentals might be stressed in practice, but the games are often played like sloppier versions of NBA contests. Think Golden State Warriors. The NBA is actually closer to Euroleague than the D-league in terms of style of play. The nature of the D-league means that teams have players coming and going every week, which makes organization and structure quite a challenge. The league is all about getting a large volume of shots up. D-league teams have averaged between 105 and 110 points each of the last three seasons. Last year's champion averaged 119 points a game. That would be unheard of in the Euroleague.

In the D-League, you won't find too many players who will have a chance of playing in the NBA. What makes an All Europe Team greater than an All D-League team is their NBA-level talent

Former D-league players make up 20% of the NBA. If that isn't enough proof I don't know what is. top players in the D-league are likely to have both NBA and European experience on their resumes.

[brassviews]

Former D-league players make up 20% of the NBA. If that isn't enough proof I don't know what is. top players in the D-league are likely to have both NBA and European experience on their resumes.

I'm referring to actually playing in the NBA (being part of a team's main rotation), not just serving as an injured reserve. A good portion of those players that make up the 20% are temporary replacements who will likely get waived.

[Chuck Diesel]

Former D-league players make up 20% of the NBA. If that isn't enough proof I don't know what is. top players in the D-league are likely to have both NBA and European experience on their resumes.

I'm referring to actually playing in the NBA (being part of a team's main rotation), not just serving as an injured reserve. A good portion of those players that make up the 20% are temporary replacements who will likely get waived.

Ok, so now you don't value NBA players who did not receive receive regular rotation minutes at some point in their career. You must be talking about guys like Alphanso Ford, Anthony Parker, Trajon Langdon, Terrance Morris, Lynn Greer, Marcus Brown, Charlie Bell, Kill Bill, Jasikivious, David Anderson, Arvydas Macijauksas, Antonis Fotsis, Mirsad Turkan, Igor Rakocevic and countless others who have flourished in the Euroleague.


Also, there is no more injured reserve in the NBA, only inactive and active.

[Italia Raps Fan]

The D-League is not even worthy of being mentioned with the Euroleague. Seriously, it's a joke to even be discussing this. Anyone that thinks the D-League compares to the Euroleague has obviously never watched either of those leagues.

You might as well compare Division II to the SEC in American football.

[Chuck Diesel]

You are not attempting to argue the point which I am debating, therefore you are weak and scared.

[Italia Raps Fan]

You are not attempting to argue the point which I am debating, therefore you are weak and scared.

You have never watched the Euroleague. I think all those of us that do know that. Because no one that watches it would ever say the D-League is comparable to it. There is not a discussion, not an argument. It is just you talking to yourself here.

This is the international forum. If you want to compare the D-League to the Euroleague then the general forum is where you belong. Because no one here will take your posts seriously.

[El Turco]

you might wanna start refuting his points instead of making assumptions if you want people to take your posts seriously.

[Italia Raps Fan]

you might wanna start refuting his points instead of making assumptions if you want people to take your posts seriously.

He has made no points. All he is doing is saying "D-League equals Euroleague". So then, "NBA equals Euroleague". Now if you disagree then you are "weak and scared" as he claimed.

Oh, and to prove "NBA equals Euroleague" the same players played in both leagues, therefore they are equal.

That is what he is claiming and arguing and what he is saying is of course totally and blatantly false. So why are you taking his posts seriously?

[El Turco]

whether he is right or wrong, he at least attempted to back up his claims by giving performances of former top NBDL players in Euroleague as an example.

you on the other hand argue like a 6 year old. which reminds me talkbasket/kwsn man/spanoulisnuthugger.

[Alyosha12]

The D-League is not even worthy of being mentioned with the Euroleague. Seriously, it's a joke to even be discussing this. Anyone that thinks the D-League compares to the Euroleague has obviously never watched either of those leagues.

You might as well compare Division II to the SEC in American football.

So where do you think a lot of American Euroleague players come from? To say that some D league players are not even close to be good enough to play in the Euroleague just because they make the jump from the D league, is as (Please Use More Appropriate Word) as saying that no Euroleague player is good enough to make the juimp to the NBA just because he plays in the Euroleague

you might wanna start refuting his points instead of making assumptions if you want people to take your posts seriously.

He has made no points. All he is doing is saying "D-League equals Euroleague". So then, "NBA equals Euroleague". Now if you disagree then you are "weak and scared" as he claimed.

Are you even literate? He said that the best D-league players could make it in the Euroleague and make an impact. And he is right, history proves him right to be exact. Some of the best American Euroleague players, if not most, made the jump from the D league to Europe, how you don't get that is beyond me...

[Italia Raps Fan]

No. He is clearly making the implication and insinuation that the D-League equals the Euroleague. Then he lists a whole bunch of D-League players that can't even play in big Euroleague clubs and says they can compete or beat a team of elite Euroleague players.

Apparently, Alyosha, you cannot read. You are not really European and are clearly an NBA fan to even be considering what this guy is saying. 90% of the best D-League players get cut from mid level domestic clubs for poor play.

[Alyosha12]

No. He is clearly making the implication and insinuation that the D-League equals the Euroleague. Then he lists a whole bunch of D-League players that can't even play in big Euroleague clubs and says they can compete or beat a team of elite Euroleague players.

Apparently, Alyosha, you cannot read. You are not really European and are clearly an NBA fan to even be considering what this guy is saying. 90% of the best D-League players get cut from mid level domestic clubs for poor play.

Oh damn VS666, "KWSN-Man"... i didn't know you were back my bad... I see your English has gotten better, good for you, the months of trolling have really done you well...

[vitamin-water]

so what would be all europe team lol?

i'll restart it since there's a big bitch fight going on.

parker, teodosic, rubio - calderon and udrih and others are on poor teams.
navarro, siskauskas, gordon - fernandez brought nothing in the playoffs.
kleiza, kirilenko, deng - gallo on an offensive d'antoni's game where anybody can score.
dirk, pau gasol, bargs/bourousis - similar guys.
marc gasol, okur, big z - future all star, nba champ, former all star.

[Italia Raps Fan]

This would be the all European team:

PG Spanoulis/Parker/Papaloukas
SG Navarro/Teodosic
SF Siskauskas/Diamantidis
PF Nowitzki/Kirilenko
C Pau Gasol/Bourousis/Vazquez

By far and away these are the best European players at their positions. Teams usually have 3 points and 3 centers. Those are clearly the best European players at those positions at this time. It's actually a pretty easy and obvious selection.

[vitamin-water]

i don't know, i get mixed feelings trying to compare europe's tops players to nba's tops.

i can only assume that everybody wants to go to the nba and win a championship which is highest level of playing other than olympics and worlds.

i don't see how spanoulis is above parker when parker has 3 championship rings and a finals mvp.

[Italia Raps Fan]

i don't know, i get mixed feelings trying to compare europe's tops players to nba's tops.

i can only assume that everybody wants to go to the nba and win a championship which is highest level of playing other than olympics and worlds.

i don't see how spanoulis is above parker when parker has 3 championship rings and a finals mvp.

Spanoulis is better in FIBA than Parker is. The NBA is not 100% of basketball. Even if you count it as 50% then Parker is better in NBA conceivably (if we assume Spanoulis isn't as good as him) and Parker is worse in FIBA.

At the most you could say they are equal, and neither one is better than the other. I rate Spanoulis higher because every time he plays Parker head to head he either equals him or outplays him (similar or better stats and Spanoulis' team wins the majority of the time). They also always play each other one to one directly straight up on both ends every time. That's a bit inconclusive, but I think it is how you break a tie.

[brassviews]

Ok, so now you don't value NBA players who did not receive receive regular rotation minutes at some point in their career. You must be talking about guys like Alphanso Ford, Anthony Parker, Trajon Langdon, Terrance Morris, Lynn Greer, Marcus Brown, Charlie Bell, Kill Bill, Jasikivious, David Anderson, Arvydas Macijauksas, Antonis Fotsis, Mirsad Turkan, Igor Rakocevic and countless others who have flourished in the Euroleague.

I tend to be a bit more lax with European players in the D-League considering they have to make the adjustment from European basketball to American basketball. Sometimes it's necessary that they play in the D-League so they can get acclimated with the NBA (i.e. rules, team systems, ect). Basically, I don't fault (devalue) them if they start their careers off in that path.

American players, however, are different since they're use to the NBA style of basketball and have prepared for it through college ball. If they need to play in the D-League given all that time and preparation, then they don't have much of a future in the NBA. That's the honest truth in my opinion.

Also, most of the American players you listed didn't do much of anything until they got to the Euroleague. That's where they learned to play basketball effectively in spite of their limited individual talent. If there's credit to be given as far as American players having a chance or second opportunity to play in the NBA, it should start and probably end with the Euroleague.

[Rasho Brezec]

This would be the all European team:

PG Spanoulis/Parker/Papaloukas
SG Navarro/Teodosic
SF Siskauskas/Diamantidis
PF Nowitzki/Kirilenko
C Pau Gasol/Bourousis/Vazquez

By far and away these are the best European players at their positions. Teams usually have 3 points and 3 centers. Those are clearly the best European players at those positions at this time. It's actually a pretty easy and obvious selection.

Yeah, definitely KWSN.

[jolbin]

Inclusion of Spanoulis and Diamantidis - ah, hey KWSN

You were creative with your usernameD:

[Italia Raps Fan]

Some "Slovenes" can't handle it if Sani does not make all Europe team. Stop living in the past.