Milos Teodosic Euroleague MVP

[asdfgh]

I'm not sure if the award is deserved. It should have been either him or Kleiza

All-Euroleague first team:
Teodosic, Navarro, Kleiza, Khryapa, Maric

second team:
McCalebb, Childress, Siskauskas, Lorbek, Splitter.

[jolbin]

I like the list... All players deserve the award... Eventhough i am a big fan of Lorbek i cant complain over choosing Khryapa for 1st team

[vitamin-water]

KLEIZA, LINAS 21 390 18.57
TEODOSIC, MILOS 21 360 17.14

it seems kind of shady that teodosic got the award. kleiza had a better ranking throughout the full season.

but kleiza won the alphonso ford trophy, i think the league didn't want to stack him up with awards even if he did have better stats.

hey, as long as olympiacos take the trophy tomorrow, i'll be happy!

[Italia Raps Fan]

Teodosic was by far and away a much better player for Olympiacos than Kleiza was. Anyone that watched their games this year knows that. Kleiza stands at the 3 point line and waits for open shots created by Teodosic and Papaloukas.

Kleiza does not create his own shot well and he does not play defense. Teodosic clearly had a better year. If anything Klieza should not even be discussed here. It was Teodosic or Maric that deserved it and not Klieza.

[asdfgh]

Teodosic was by far and away a much better player for Olympiacos than Kleiza was. Anyone that watched their games this year knows that. Kleiza stands at the 3 point line and waits for open shots created by Teodosic and Papaloukas.

Kleiza does not create his own shot well and he does not play defense. Teodosic clearly had a better year. If anything Klieza should not even be discussed here. It was Teodosic or Maric that deserved it and not Klieza.

uh no... Teodosic is the leader of Olympiacos but people like you obviously don't realize how easier it is for the two PGs when they have players like Kleiza and Childress to pass to.
But you think Siskauskas, Navarro and Spanoulis are better players than those 3 so your opinion is worthless.

[Italia Raps Fan]

Teodosic was by far and away a much better player for Olympiacos than Kleiza was. Anyone that watched their games this year knows that. Kleiza stands at the 3 point line and waits for open shots created by Teodosic and Papaloukas.

Kleiza does not create his own shot well and he does not play defense. Teodosic clearly had a better year. If anything Klieza should not even be discussed here. It was Teodosic or Maric that deserved it and not Klieza.

uh no... Teodosic is the leader of Olympiacos but people like you obviously don't realize how easier it is for the two PGs when they have players like Kleiza and Childress to pass to.
But you think Siskauskas, Navarro and Spanoulis are better players than those 3 so your opinion is worthless.

Every single coach and scout in Europe, every single one of them says the 3 best players in Europe are Spanoulis, Navarro, and Siska. But you, a fan on realgm that is an NBA fan knows better than them.

As for making it easier having Childress to pass to...........explain that one since Childress can't shoot.

[vitamin-water]

Teodosic was by far and away a much better player for Olympiacos than Kleiza was. Anyone that watched their games this year knows that. Kleiza stands at the 3 point line and waits for open shots created by Teodosic and Papaloukas.

Kleiza does not create his own shot well and he does not play defense. Teodosic clearly had a better year. If anything Klieza should not even be discussed here. It was Teodosic or Maric that deserved it and not Klieza.

uh no... Teodosic is the leader of Olympiacos but people like you obviously don't realize how easier it is for the two PGs when they have players like Kleiza and Childress to pass to.
But you think Siskauskas, Navarro and Spanoulis are better players than those 3 so your opinion is worthless.

i agree with asdfgh.

what good is a point guard with amazing passing abilities if there is nobody who can you pass to.

childress and kleiza are amazing finishers who throw it down with authority all the time, which not a lot of people in euroleague can do that.

if you notice, most the top 10, top 5 plays of the week are of kleiza and josh slamming it down over 2/3 people and through alley-oop passes.

and kleiza doesn't create his shot well? lol? unlike teodosic he can drive to the lane, score, and 1. teodosic uses screens to get open 3's, anything to avoid contact i might add. nonetheless i agree he's a huge part of olympiacos success.

[Italia Raps Fan]

Teodosic was by far and away a much better player for Olympiacos than Kleiza was. Anyone that watched their games this year knows that. Kleiza stands at the 3 point line and waits for open shots created by Teodosic and Papaloukas.

Kleiza does not create his own shot well and he does not play defense. Teodosic clearly had a better year. If anything Klieza should not even be discussed here. It was Teodosic or Maric that deserved it and not Klieza.

uh no... Teodosic is the leader of Olympiacos but people like you obviously don't realize how easier it is for the two PGs when they have players like Kleiza and Childress to pass to.
But you think Siskauskas, Navarro and Spanoulis are better players than those 3 so your opinion is worthless.

i agree with asdfgh.

what good is a point guard with amazing passing abilities if there is nobody who can you pass to.

childress and kleiza are amazing finishers who throw it down with authority all the time, which not a lot of people in euroleague can do that.

if you notice, most the top 10, top 5 plays of the week are of kleiza and josh slamming it down over 2/3 people and through alley-oop passes.

and kleiza doesn't create his shot well? lol? unlike teodosic he can drive to the lane, score, and 1. teodosic uses screens to get open 3's and so on..

Funny, since Teodosic was league MVP. I guess you guys know more since you watched some highlights. Also, the fact that Klieza is one of the 2 worst defenders in the Greek League seems to not matter to you guys. Not surprising, since NBA fans only rate players based on stats and nothing else.

[vitamin-water]

Funny, since Teodosic was league MVP. I guess you guys know more since you watched some highlights. Also, the fact that Klieza is one of the 2 worst defenders in the Greek League seems to not matter to you guys. Not surprising, since NBA fans only rate players based on stats and nothing else.

lol ok then can you tell me the meaning of that ranking system that's in the bottom of the euroleague.net main page?

what's the point of that since maric and kleiza both had higher ranks, although maric played less games, and the awards has been given to milos regardless?

since when did this conversation switch to greek league? aren't we talking about euroleague?

that shows your argument is weak and irrelevant to the conversation. try again.

[Italia Raps Fan]

Funny, since Teodosic was league MVP. I guess you guys know more since you watched some highlights. Also, the fact that Klieza is one of the 2 worst defenders in the Greek League seems to not matter to you guys. Not surprising, since NBA fans only rate players based on stats and nothing else.

lol ok then can you tell me the meaning of that ranking system that's in the bottom of the euroleague.net main page?

what's the point of that since maric and kleiza both had higher ranks, although maric played less games, and the awards has been given to milos regardless?

since when did this conversation switch to greek league? aren't we talking about euroleague?

that shows your argument is weak and irrelevant to the conversation. try again.

NBA fans.......................

Anyone that determines the best player on a team or in a league by ranking stat is not a true or serious fan. Of course the notion that the Euroleague would do that is absurd. Not even the NBA would lower its standards to give an MVP award based on player efficiency.

Please be serious here.

[vitamin-water]

Funny, since Teodosic was league MVP. I guess you guys know more since you watched some highlights. Also, the fact that Klieza is one of the 2 worst defenders in the Greek League seems to not matter to you guys. Not surprising, since NBA fans only rate players based on stats and nothing else.

lol ok then can you tell me the meaning of that ranking system that's in the bottom of the euroleague.net main page?

what's the point of that since maric and kleiza both had higher ranks, although maric played less games, and the awards has been given to milos regardless?

since when did this conversation switch to greek league? aren't we talking about euroleague?

that shows your argument is weak and irrelevant to the conversation. try again.

NBA fans.......................

Anyone that determines the best player on a team or in a league by ranking stat is not a true or serious fan. Of course the notion that the Euroleague would do that is absurd. Not even the NBA would lower its standards to give an MVP award based on player efficiency.

Please be serious here.

be serious? buddy, you have the most ridiculous notions out of anybody i've seen in this section of the boards.

i've only joined these forums not too long ago, but i've been reading for a couple months now.

how am i an nba fan? do you know me at all? i don't think so, all you have is assumptions.

and yes statistics towards deciding the best player is important. unlike you who just makes up the stupidest remarks about a player, i choose to look at the STATISTICAL EVIDENCE that's provided within each game so i can determine the outcome of the most efficient player. i need evidence to prove my theories and i do that. you choose to blatantly undermine top players and replace them with others that shouldn't even be mentioned.

the games rules don't change, the outcomes of an individual game does. i try to follow that and find out what caused the win on a teams standings.

for example, if i see that kleiza didn't defend his person, i try to weigh that option to see whether if it was a good decision or not. if he have been playing more vigorous defense, he may have received the foul and could have been forced to come out of the game, leaving another player that isn't talented enough to switch to his position (not that it's the case, olympiacos have a very good roster). kleiza is a proven scorer in his first year of euroleague and is a key factor of why we've made it to the finals, unlike last year where we didn't.

assumptions go a long way towards disproving your arguments, you've done that a lot so far in this conversation.

[Italia Raps Fan]

be serious? buddy, you have the most ridiculous notions out of anybody i've seen in this section of the boards.

i've only joined these forums not too long ago, but i've been reading for a couple months now.

how am i an nba fan? do you know me at all? i don't think so, all you have is assumptions.

and yes statistics towards deciding the best player is important. unlike you who just makes up the stupidest remarks about a player, i choose to look at the STATISTICAL EVIDENCE that's provided within each game so i can determine the outcome of the most efficient player. i need evidence to prove my theories and i do that. you choose to blatantly undermine top players and replace them with others that shouldn't even be mentioned.

the games rules don't change, the outcomes of an individual game does. i try to follow that and find out what caused the win on a teams standings.

for example, if i see that kleiza didn't defend his person, i try to weigh that option to see whether if it was a good decision or not. if he have been playing more vigorous defense, he may have received the foul and could have been forced to come out of the game, leaving another player that isn't talented enough to switch to his position (not that it's the case, olympiacos have a very good roster). kleiza is a proven scorer in his first year of euroleague and is a key factor of why we've made it to the finals, unlike last year where we didn't.

assumptions go a long way towards disproving your arguments, you've done that a lot so far in this conversation.

Because you argue that stats determine the MVP and the best players, that means you are automatically an NBA fan. Because only NBA fans view basketball that way. No one in Europe does. In Europe the novel idea of who plays the best decides those things.

Eventually the NBA will catch up and start rating players based on how they play and not their stats. Give the NBA 5-10 years to catch up with the times.

[vitamin-water]

Because you argue that stats determine the MVP and the best players, that means you are automatically an NBA fan. Because only NBA fans view basketball that way. No one in Europe does. In Europe the novel idea of who plays the best decides those things.

i actually laughed at this bad response.

well, i can say i at least tried to convey something with an intellectual answer.

i'm pretty sure you're still a child so i'll just stop the conversation right now.

[Italia Raps Fan]

Because you argue that stats determine the MVP and the best players, that means you are automatically an NBA fan. Because only NBA fans view basketball that way. No one in Europe does. In Europe the novel idea of who plays the best decides those things.

i actually laughed at this bad response.

well, i can say i at least tried to convey something with an intellectual answer.

i'm pretty sure you're still a child so i'll just stop the conversation right now.

The bad response is that you can't even grasp that Klieza was not the Euroleague MVP. Go to Euroleague.net and see for yourself. Your OPINION and your inability to understand stats does not change fact nor does it change reality.

Arguing with me about that and trying to make me look like some kind of fool..............

[vitamin-water]

Because you argue that stats determine the MVP and the best players, that means you are automatically an NBA fan. Because only NBA fans view basketball that way. No one in Europe does. In Europe the novel idea of who plays the best decides those things.

i actually laughed at this bad response.

well, i can say i at least tried to convey something with an intellectual answer.

i'm pretty sure you're still a child so i'll just stop the conversation right now.

The bad response is that you can't even grasp that Klieza was not the Euroleague MVP. Go to Euroleague.net and see for yourself. Your OPINION and your inability to understand stats does not change fact nor does it change reality.

Arguing with me about that and trying to make me look like some kind of fool..............

LOL! IT'S YOUR INABILITY TO UNDERSTAND STATS THAT'S MAKING YOU DELUSIONAL.

YOU'RE TRYING TO CONVINCE ME NOW THAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND STATS WHEN IN THIS WHOLE UPPER SECTION I'VE BEEN TRYING TO EXPLAIN STATS TO YOU?!?! LOL?

i understand quite well that KLEIZA - spelled like that, isn't the euroleague mvp.

you've strayed from the conversation so much that you don't even know the subject anymore, i'm sorry you're a child. holy crap, i haven't seen anybody as annoying as you in a loooong time.

you're spewing so much nonsense it's remarkable.

the end.

[Italia Raps Fan]

LOL! ITS YOUR INABILITY TO UNDERSTAND STATS THAT'S MAKING YOU DELUSIONAL.

i understand quite well that KLEIZA - spelled like that, isn't the euroleague mvp.

you've strayed from the conversation so much that you don't even know the subject anymore, i'm sorry you're a child. holy crap, i haven't seen anybody as annoying as you in a loooong time.

You argued about stats, well Klieza does not have the best stats either. If the award should be based on stats, then Maric is the MVP, not Klieza. Your argument is not very well thought out.

Your argument for Klieza is simply because he played as a 6th man on an NBA playoff team and makes the NBA look bad that he and Childress are not the best players on their team. But the Euroleague does not care about NBA marketing.

[vitamin-water]

LOL! ITS YOUR INABILITY TO UNDERSTAND STATS THAT'S MAKING YOU DELUSIONAL.

i understand quite well that KLEIZA - spelled like that, isn't the euroleague mvp.

you've strayed from the conversation so much that you don't even know the subject anymore, i'm sorry you're a child. holy crap, i haven't seen anybody as annoying as you in a loooong time.

You argued about stats, well Klieza does not have the best stats either. If the award should be based on stats, then Maric is the MVP, not Klieza. Your argument is not very well thought out.

Your argument for Klieza is simply because he played as a 6th man on an NBA playoff team and makes the NBA look bad that he and Childress are not the best players on their team. But the Euroleague does not care about NBA marketing.

maric played 4 less games and shouldn't be eligible, just as if a player in the nba goes out for weeks shouldn't and isn't eligible either.

correction, j.r. smith was the 6th man for the nuggets.

my argument is thought out, yours is ridiculous and so offsetting i can't grasp what you're trying to say.

and honestly, i don't mind at all that kleiza didn't win or childress didn't win or maric or whomever else. i do mind when people who have no clue what they're talking about come here and try to disprove fact.

you keep tapping your little fingers on the 3 buttons consecutively on your keyboard that have nothing to do with what we're talking about, N B A. i don't know where this nba marketing came out of. i honestly don't know anything about what you're trying to prove right now.

that's how i know you're all out of material to bull me with and have lost this argument.

[Italia Raps Fan]

LOL! ITS YOUR INABILITY TO UNDERSTAND STATS THAT'S MAKING YOU DELUSIONAL.

i understand quite well that KLEIZA - spelled like that, isn't the euroleague mvp.

you've strayed from the conversation so much that you don't even know the subject anymore, i'm sorry you're a child. holy crap, i haven't seen anybody as annoying as you in a loooong time.

You argued about stats, well Klieza does not have the best stats either. If the award should be based on stats, then Maric is the MVP, not Klieza. Your argument is not very well thought out.

Your argument for Klieza is simply because he played as a 6th man on an NBA playoff team and makes the NBA look bad that he and Childress are not the best players on their team. But the Euroleague does not care about NBA marketing.

maric played 4 less games and shouldn't be eligible, just as if a player in the nba goes out for weeks shouldn't and isn't eligible either.

correction, j.r. smith was the 6th man for the nuggets.

my argument is thought out, yours is ridiculous and so offsetting i can't grasp what you're trying to say.

and honestly, i don't mind at all that kleiza didn't win or childress didn't win or maric or whomever else. i do mind when people who have no clue what they're talking about come here and try to disprove fact.

you keep tapping your little fingers on the 3 buttons consecutively on your keyboard that have nothing to do with what we're talking about, N B A. i don't know where this nba marketing came out of. i honestly don't know anything about what you're trying to prove right now.

that's how i know you're all out of material to bull me with and have lost this argument.

Maric should not be eligible? I see you have no intention of having a serious conversation. The NBA marketing is coming from you. Every post you make, is pure 100% NBA marketing 101.

What argument? No one in Europe outside Lithuania would take seriously that Klieza is the Euroleague MVP. Other than NBA fans no one would consider him the best player on his team. Seriously, Papaloukas, Teodosic, Bourousis are all far better players than he is.

[vitamin-water]

Maric should not be eligible? I see you have no intention of having a serious conversation. The NBA marketing is coming from you. Every post you make, is pure 100% NBA marketing 101.

What argument? No one in Europe outside Lithuania would take seriously that Klieza is the Euroleague MVP. Other than NBA fans no one would consider him the best player on his team. Seriously, Papaloukas, Teodosic, Bourousis are all far better players than he is.

maric is a great player, one of the best, but he missed 4 weeks and he can't be considered to be the mvp because the other top 5 candidates played all games and it wouldn't be fair to them. i have nothing against them you ignorant punk kid, i have nothing against teodosic, he's also amazing, what you argue is idiotic and childish beyond belief.

you're a moron, period. anybody on these boards will agree with me.

papaloukas and bourousis are not better at this point than kleiza, by that logic, i can say beverley is better than teodosic.

you seem to measure what players COULD and HAVE done instead of what THEY'RE DOING currently.

AND WHAT NBA MARKETING???? WTF????? what statistical factual evidence that you don't possess?

i don't know where you get your idiotic notions from.

also, are we bringing nations into arguments now?

i'll be the stronger person and resist stereotyping nations based on one idiot, you. have a nice day.

[KING JAMES1978]

be serious? buddy, you have the most ridiculous notions out of anybody i've seen in this section of the boards.

i've only joined these forums not too long ago, but i've been reading for a couple months now.

how am i an nba fan? do you know me at all? i don't think so, all you have is assumptions.

and yes statistics towards deciding the best player is important. unlike you who just makes up the stupidest remarks about a player, i choose to look at the STATISTICAL EVIDENCE that's provided within each game so i can determine the outcome of the most efficient player. i need evidence to prove my theories and i do that. you choose to blatantly undermine top players and replace them with others that shouldn't even be mentioned.

the games rules don't change, the outcomes of an individual game does. i try to follow that and find out what caused the win on a teams standings.

for example, if i see that kleiza didn't defend his person, i try to weigh that option to see whether if it was a good decision or not. if he have been playing more vigorous defense, he may have received the foul and could have been forced to come out of the game, leaving another player that isn't talented enough to switch to his position (not that it's the case, olympiacos have a very good roster). kleiza is a proven scorer in his first year of euroleague and is a key factor of why we've made it to the finals, unlike last year where we didn't.

assumptions go a long way towards disproving your arguments, you've done that a lot so far in this conversation.

Because you argue that stats determine the MVP and the best players, that means you are automatically an NBA fan. Because only NBA fans view basketball that way. No one in Europe does. In Europe the novel idea of who plays the best decides those things.

Eventually the NBA will catch up and start rating players based on how they play and not their stats. Give the NBA 5-10 years to catch up with the times.

I don't agree with you.I was born in Ohio but I live in Europe and I know many things about European Basketball..Stats are important.In Europe people use ranking and every other stat as well.

Teodosic isn't the true MVP!MVP candidate yes but not the MVP.Kleiza or Navaro must won this.

Olympiakos will win today IMO.