LuDux1 wrote:How many of them have stats from 80s and before?
It varies. It's partly based on when they actually formed a league and association system, versus just having a federation tournament, and also when they actually became professional leagues, versus just being amateurs.
For the major domestic leagues,
1977 for Italian League
1991 for Spanish League
1986 for Greek League
1987 for French League
1989 for Israeli League
1998 for German League
2001 for Adriatic League
2009 for VTB United League
For European leagues, it is
1991 (for FIBA EuroLeague, and for the old leagues like FIBA Saporta Cup and FIBA Korac Cup)
2000 (for EuroLeague Basketball)
2002 for EuroCup
2016 for Basketball Champions League (BCL)
So actually, Greek League counts back as by far one of the oldest. But the only one that counts all 80s stats is Italian League. But that makes sense, because it was always the most advanced and important national league up until more recent years. So it makes sense, because it would have been more regulated and official at an earlier time.
It's a little bit different for EuroLeague, as FIBA doesn't count anything from amateur time. So before 1991 none of the stats are official, because it was considered amateur. It's actually even the same with EuroBasket Olympics, and World Cup, the stats from before 1991 EuroBasket, before 1992 Olympics, and before 1994 World Cup are not official, because they are classed as "amateur", while stats from tournaments since are classed as "professional". But in case of the national team tournaments, they recognize the stats records from before 1991, so that's how guys like Galis and Schmidt didn't lose any of their stats.
But for the club competition, they only counted 1991 and after. because they deemed everything before 1991 to be amateur club competition. It really doesn't matter though, because I saw the stats records for FIBA EuroLeague once somewhere from 1958 to 2001, and if you took those and even combined it with current EuroLeague (some guys played both), the overall stats leaders would still be the same. Navarro would still lead in points and threes, Reyes in rebounds, Diamantidis in steals and assists...Vazquez in blocks, especially since they were not even counting assists until sometime in 70s and blocks and steals until sometime in 80s, and 3 point line came around 84 I think.
The points leaders for EuroLeague, since 1958, it would be,
So really it doesn't affect any of the records in case of EuroLeague.
Like with Greek League, before it was a professional association with different divisions, it had things like regional city competitions organized in federation tournaments. So of course, logically, you can't count those stats to be credited to the same thing as a professional league run by an association.