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EUROLEAGUE 2020-21 season 

Post#1 » by THE J0KER » Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:30 pm

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2021 Winner odds at the start of the season:
4 Barcelona
4 CSKA Moscow
6 Real Madrid
7 Anadolu Efes
11 Fenerbahce
12 Armani Milano
18 Maccabi Tel Aviv
30 Olympiakos
30 Pamesa Valencia
30 Zalgiris Kaunas
35 Zenit St P.
40 Khimki
70 Baskonia
70 Panathinaikos
100 Bayern Munchen
150 Crvena Zvezda
500 Lyon Villeurbanne
500 Alba Berlin


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Re: EUROLEAGUE 2020-21 season 

Post#2 » by UcanUwill » Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:16 pm

Zalgiris playing great, Jokubaitis emerging as key contributor and maybe even a star. Lithuanian backour of Grigonis, Lekavicius and Jokubaitis is dope offensively, such a great start to a season. That said, losing so many players to Covid and stuff, it cheapens the wins I got to say.

About some non Zalgiris news, Dragan Bender, man is he still terrible, 3-4 years in the NBA, still unplayble in Euroleague and I totally saw this coming ha. Tavares still sucks too :D Campazzo has been very disappointing as well I would say. Giedraitis is playing himself into NBA radar, its been a long time since Lithuania had so much offensive talent on the perimeter.
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Re: EUROLEAGUE 2020-21 season 

Post#3 » by Mirotic12 » Fri Oct 23, 2020 9:52 pm

So far, Sloukas has the second worst contract in EuroLeague history, after Josh Childress. What the hell was Olympiacos thinking? Did they not see how bad he was last season?
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Re: EUROLEAGUE 2020-21 season 

Post#4 » by UcanUwill » Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:25 am

Louvergne in Fenerbache was probably one of the worst contracts, he was paid like a top 5 player in Euroleague straight out of moderate NBA success but he was barely decent as a backup.

And I dont know how much Maccabi pays to Dragan Bender, but if its more than 7days baguette they get for free, its probably the worst contract.

Olympiakos is just way worse team than it was, no inspiration building that roster, Sloukas is doing fine considering he doesnt have very good teammates to back it up.
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Re: EUROLEAGUE 2020-21 season 

Post#5 » by UcanUwill » Sat Oct 24, 2020 4:23 pm

Mirotic12 wrote:So far, Sloukas has the second worst contract in EuroLeague history, after Josh Childress. What the hell was Olympiacos thinking? Did they not see how bad he was last season?


Also, dont forget that Kosta Koufos contract last year :lol: You are once again greatly exaggerating, Sloukas and Childress are fine.
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Re: EUROLEAGUE 2020-21 season 

Post#6 » by Aqua789 » Mon Nov 2, 2020 2:31 pm

So far, so good. Do you think we can expect smth spectacular this year?





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Re: EUROLEAGUE 2020-21 season 

Post#7 » by UcanUwill » Thu Nov 5, 2020 6:18 pm

Papanikolaou finally having a good game.
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Re: EUROLEAGUE 2020-21 season 

Post#8 » by Mirotic12 » Sat Nov 7, 2020 12:47 pm

Sloukas so far =

36.0 FG%
34.6 2PT%
37.5 3PT%

7.7 points
1.3 rebounds
5.6 assists (his only good contribution)

0.6 steals
2.4 turnovers

He is also the worst defender in the EuroLeague at the guard positions. And while his assists are good, it's almost all from pick and roll, as he has very little ability to create on his own. And some of his turnovers - my god, he's just handing it to the other team. I've never seen a lead guard in EuroLeague that is so careless with the basketball. Never.

His defense is so damn bad, that Bartzokas keeps making Spanoulis finish all the games, playing almost the whole 4th quarter of every game, because Sloukas can't be on the floor at any important time of the game, due to his absurdly bad defense. Spanoulis isn't even supposed to be playing until March after his his foot surgeries......at times he looks like he's limping around. Bartzokas is going to blow his foot out again, making him play nearly the whole 4th quarters of games, months before he was even supposed to be fully healed. Bartzokas is doing it though, because Sloukas is so downright awful on defense.

Now that Jimmer is back in China, no one at the guard spots plays defense as bad as Sloukas. He gets like 1 to 2 stops on defense a game, and the rest of the time he just gets torched.

And then there is Sloukas' shot selection and decision making, which is truly awful. He also can't run a team, as he has no ability to properly run an offense or control the tempo and rhythm of a game. Although that last part isn't his fault, because he's a shooting guard that Bartzokas is forcing to play point guard. That's on Bartzokas.

Sloukas was really bad last season with Fener, he was probably their worst main rotation player, and was the cause of so many of their losses. And now he's just flat out terrible this season, he's actually somehow managed to get worse.

And he's getting paid €5.5 million euros net income. That's like $13 million in NBA money. That's an insanely bad contract.

If you think Sloukas is "doing fine", then 100% for sure you have not watched an Olympiacos game. So far that is an absolute disaster signing. If he's going to play like he is, he better not be anywhere near the Greek NT training camp.

I don't know what happened to him, but maybe he's one of those small guards that can't play once they get around age 30. There have always been those types of guys that are 6-3 and under, that once they get around age 29 or 30, they simply can no longer play anymore.
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Re: EUROLEAGUE 2020-21 season 

Post#9 » by UcanUwill » Thu Nov 12, 2020 11:48 am

Mirotic12 wrote:Sloukas so far =

36.0 FG%
34.6 2PT%
37.5 3PT%

7.7 points
1.3 rebounds
5.6 assists (his only good contribution)

0.6 steals
2.4 turnovers

He is also the worst defender in the EuroLeague at the guard positions. And while his assists are good, it's almost all from pick and roll, as he has very little ability to create on his own. And some of his turnovers - my god, he's just handing it to the other team. I've never seen a lead guard in EuroLeague that is so careless with the basketball. Never.

His defense is so damn bad, that Bartzokas keeps making Spanoulis finish all the games, playing almost the whole 4th quarter of every game, because Sloukas can't be on the floor at any important time of the game, due to his absurdly bad defense. Spanoulis isn't even supposed to be playing until March after his his foot surgeries......at times he looks like he's limping around. Bartzokas is going to blow his foot out again, making him play nearly the whole 4th quarters of games, months before he was even supposed to be fully healed. Bartzokas is doing it though, because Sloukas is so downright awful on defense.

Now that Jimmer is back in China, no one at the guard spots plays defense as bad as Sloukas. He gets like 1 to 2 stops on defense a game, and the rest of the time he just gets torched.

And then there is Sloukas' shot selection and decision making, which is truly awful. He also can't run a team, as he has no ability to properly run an offense or control the tempo and rhythm of a game. Although that last part isn't his fault, because he's a shooting guard that Bartzokas is forcing to play point guard. That's on Bartzokas.

Sloukas was really bad last season with Fener, he was probably their worst main rotation player, and was the cause of so many of their losses. And now he's just flat out terrible this season, he's actually somehow managed to get worse.

And he's getting paid €5.5 million euros net income. That's like $13 million in NBA money. That's an insanely bad contract.

If you think Sloukas is "doing fine", then 100% for sure you have not watched an Olympiacos game. So far that is an absolute disaster signing. If he's going to play like he is, he better not be anywhere near the Greek NT training camp.

I don't know what happened to him, but maybe he's one of those small guards that can't play once they get around age 30. There have always been those types of guys that are 6-3 and under, that once they get around age 29 or 30, they simply can no longer play anymore.


So far he is not hitting his shots, but its not like he looked like a stiff. But he is number one guy in OLY now and opponents prep for him first and foremost, and maybe hes just not good enough for that, Olympiacos struck gold with Spanoulis a decade ago, but Sloukas is no Spanoulis, you need several players who can create offense, you cant have one offensive weapon and then just defensive players, unless that offensive weapon is prime Spanoulis I guess. Look at top teams now, Barca has several perimeter guys who can create at any given time, Efes has Micic, Larkin, and SImon, Beoubous are good heat check guys, and even Zalgiris has Girgonis, and Lekavicius and Walkup.
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Re: EUROLEAGUE 2020-21 season 

Post#10 » by UcanUwill » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:14 pm

Greg Monroes pick and roll d is brutal!
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Post#11 » by Mirotic12 » Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:19 pm

I don't know why he is getting such big contracts. I get that he was an NBA starter for a long time, but that does not change the fact that he can't play defense past 6 feet from the basket.

People are always hating on Papagiannis' perimeter D, and he's like 10 times better at that than Monroe is.
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Re: EUROLEAGUE 2020-21 season 

Post#12 » by UcanUwill » Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:56 pm

Moustapha Fall is fun player to watch, in a weird way.
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Re: EUROLEAGUE 2020-21 season 

Post#13 » by Mirotic12 » Sat Dec 12, 2020 11:13 pm

Bartzokas must have came down hard on Sloukas. He played quite well in the last 2 games, after mostly being a disaster up until that point.
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Re: EUROLEAGUE 2020-21 season 

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Re: EUROLEAGUE 2020-21 season 

Post#15 » by the_other_guy » Fri Dec 18, 2020 7:42 am

Zalgiris is having an insane shooting streak.
Last 3 games 47/76 from 3pts.
While beating Panathinaikos, Baskonia and Fenerbache.

139/313 3pts for the season 44.41% (1st in league)
Also leads a league in FT 88.07%
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Re: EUROLEAGUE 2020-21 season 

Post#16 » by UcanUwill » Fri Dec 18, 2020 2:39 pm

the_other_guy wrote:Zalgiris is having an insane shooting streak.
Last 3 games 47/76 from 3pts.
While beating Panathinaikos, Baskonia and Fenerbache.

139/313 3pts for the season 44.41% (1st in league)
Also leads a league in FT 88.07%


Feels like an alternate universe being Zalgiris fan, we were known for biggest britlayers all the time. Marius Grigonis is very good player, he can be next Lithuanian perimeter star, havent had one ever since Siskauskas, Jasikevicius and Macijauskas retired.

On other news, wow Fenerbachce, havent seen such disaster in a long time, its like they could play better with no coaching and leadership, whatever Kokoskov is doing it is not working. Couldn't believe Igor Kokoskov's team could look this bad.
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Re: EUROLEAGUE 2020-21 season 

Post#17 » by LuDux1 » Fri Dec 18, 2020 10:40 pm

UcanUwill wrote:
the_other_guy wrote:
On other news, wow Fenerbachce, havent seen such disaster in a long time, its like they could play better with no coaching and leadership, whatever Kokoskov is doing it is not working. Couldn't believe Igor Kokoskov's team could look this bad.


TBF when both Vesely and DeColo play they are 4-4. Two of those loses were against top-3 teams by 1 and 4 points. Another loss was the game where DeColo came back after injury and Vesely got injured.
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Post#18 » by Mirotic12 » Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:58 pm

If you just look at his tactics, Kokoskov is like the EuroLeague head coach version of Giannis trying to play with FIBA rules. He is way too NBA trained to just be thrown into EuroLeague as a head coach. It's totally obvious he was completely unready for the physical play, the true zones being allowed, the hand checking, the refs allowing a lot of contact, etc.

Pitino had a much better grasp of what he needed to do, because he had so many years in the NCAA. Kokoskov, despite being from Europe, is utilizing absolutely zero European tactics or FIBA concepts. It's all NBA style. He's using De Colo as a point guard, which is just stupid, and only something that NBA coaches would do.

An NBA "point guard" just has to beat one man and/or make one move to have a wide open layup or dunk, or they can get a wide open jump shot on literally the vast majority of offensive possessions if they want from screens, they can run that very high NBA style pick and roll that usually has very little, if any at all resistance from the defense, etc.

The only one of those things a point guard can consistently get in EuroLeague is the open looks off screens, and even then, they better have a lightning quick release, otherwise they will probably need multiple screens on every possession, like Mike James and Shane Larkin typically get (the whole offense entirely built just to get them looks), combined with them being able to play as a two guard off the ball and having to do nothing but shoot, being paired with a very competent floor general (Hackett in CSKA and Micic in Efes).

To compound that, Fener doesn't even have a real point guard on the whole roster. It's all just guys that can score and dominate the ball. Dixon is a 5-10 shooting guard, Sipahi and Westermann are SF's that dominate the ball, and Brown is just a classic NBA "point guard" that only has scoring for himself as his offensive skills.

Then they just have off ball guys (Ulanovas, Barthel), some spot shooters (Mahmatoglou, Jarrell), and a big man that can really generally only score in half court as a roll man to the basket (Vesely). Then on defense, it's a clear concept of NBA, of just stick a couple of athletes in the five to "make some athletic plays on defense" (Vesely, Pierre), and then just try to outscore the opponent.

Yeah, that is how it's done a lot in the NBA, but for the most part, that pretty much won't work with EuroLeague rules. Even Coach K and Coach Pop both learned that won't really won't even work with Team USA with those rules, and Team USA never has to face anything nearly as tough as a EuroLeague season.
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Re: EUROLEAGUE 2020-21 season 

Post#19 » by the_other_guy » Wed Dec 23, 2020 2:59 pm

Well I mean, he had some practice with Slovenia NT.
So hes not complete novice for Fiba rules.
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Re: EUROLEAGUE 2020-21 season 

Post#20 » by Mirotic12 » Wed Dec 23, 2020 3:20 pm

the_other_guy wrote:Well I mean, he had some practice with Slovenia NT.
So hes not complete novice for Fiba rules.


Yeah, but teams can't make any adjustments in a FIBA tournament, and likely you just play each team once. It's totally different in a league system. Plus, EuroLeague is quite a bit of a higher competition level than EuroBasket.

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