2009 Spanish National Team

DerrickandKirk · Post #1 » by **DerrickandKirk** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 12:57 pm

http://www.feb.es/Documentos/Archivo/pd ... ISTA09.pdf

Ricky Rubio (PG)
Carlos Cabezas (PG)
Raül López (PG)
Juan Carlos Navarro (SG)
Rudy Fernández (SG)
Alex Mumbrú (SF)
Berni Rodríguez (SG/SF)
Victor Claver (SF/PF)
Jorge Garbajosa (PF)
Pau Gasol (C)
Felipe Reyes (PF/C)
Marc Gasol (C)

Reserves
Sergio Llull (PG)
Saúl Blanco (SG)
Guillem Rubio (PF)

Sergio Scariolo remains with the hard core of his former players in Unicaja: Carlos Cabezas, Berni Rodríguez and Jorge Garbajosa. I think Saúl Blanco should be instead of Berni, although I guess Berni won't play much. Anyway, if Sergi Vidal wasn't injured he would probably go rather of Berni. On the other hand Jose Calderón (Jose is gonna be operated) and Fran Vázquez resigned from the selection. Otherwise all normal except the non invitation of Carlos Suárez, somewhat maybe surprising.

Toxicity · Post #2 » by **Toxicity** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 1:30 pm

Vazquez is a very important miss under the basket... moreover i wonder if Claver is 100% healthy.

I'd added Llull in the roster... he's a PG but can play SG too and he's young and athletic...

DerrickandKirk · Post #3 » by **DerrickandKirk** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 1:52 pm

Claver began the season at a very high level, but after injury he hasn't recovered that level from early season yet, is true. I'd add Suárez at the roster and would leave Claver at the reserve, but neither seems outlandish the decision by Scariolo among other things because he can play like PF too.

Regarding Llull happens the same that happens with Claver: I'd add Lull at the roster instead of Cabezas, but the decision by Sergio isn't very strange. Raül should go for the simple fact that it is the only consistent shooter at PG position, as well Llull throws well but is still a bit inconsistent.

Either way, this isn't a definitive list. It could be that some of the reserves finally enter the roster, because of unexpected injury, players that resign at the last moment or even changes at Sergio's opinion during the team's concentration.

brassviews · Post #4 » by **brassviews** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 2:58 pm

Imagine how much stronger that team would be if it had Calderon and Vasquez.

DerrickandKirk · Post #5 » by **DerrickandKirk** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 3:15 pm

Vazquez, friend of mine. His surname is Vazquez

Returning to the thread, I believe that this selection is favorite to get gold medal even without Calderon.

gofret · Post #6 » by **gofret** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 6:40 pm

spain wins the gold.

Joana · Post #7 » by **Joana** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 11:28 pm

Scariolo will play Claver mostly at the 4, as someone noted.

I think that Cabezas doesn't deserve a spot by any means, but with Sergio refusing to go, I was expecting Scariolo to call him...

Put me in the camp of those that would like to see Suarez selected.

KWSN-Men · Post #8 » by **KWSN-Men** » Tue Jun 30, 2009 4:01 am

PopularByDemand wrote:Imagine how much stronger that team would be if it had Calderon and Vasquez.

Not much at all. Vazquez would be great but not Calderon. I would rather have Cabezas over him any day.

KWSN-Men · Post #9 » by **KWSN-Men** » Tue Jun 30, 2009 4:02 am

Joana wrote:Scariolo will play Claver mostly at the 4, as someone noted.

I think that Cabezas doesn't deserve a spot by any means, but with Sergio refusing to go, I was expecting Scariolo to call him...

Put me in the camp of those that would like to see Suarez selected.

Cabezas was awesome in the Spanish playoffs. He is definitely deserving. The guy that should have made it and did not is Vidal.

Joana · Post #10 » by **Joana** » Tue Jun 30, 2009 4:25 am

Vidal is injured, plantar fasciitis. He'd have taken Berni's spot, but it's not a big deal anyway; Berni is important for the locker room and will play those spot minutes as well as anyone.

Cabezas had 2 or 3 big games versus Barça and Gran Canaria, but he just isn't that good. As a 3rd PG, Llull would make much more sense; he's more versatile and he'd get an experience that would be valuable in the future. Anyway, Scariolo knows Cabezas, likes him, so it makes sense.

KWSN-Men · Post #11 » by **KWSN-Men** » Tue Jun 30, 2009 7:03 am

Joana wrote:Vidal is injured, plantar fasciitis. He'd have taken Berni's spot, but it's not a big deal anyway; Berni is important for the locker room and will play those spot minutes as well as anyone.

Cabezas had 2 or 3 big games versus Barça and Gran Canaria, but he just isn't that good. As a 3rd PG, Llull would make much more sense; he's more versatile and he'd get an experience that would be valuable in the future. Anyway, Scariolo knows Cabezas, likes him, so it makes sense.

Well remember that if you face Greece in an elimination game you better have experienced point guards. Because Greece has the best point guards.

DerrickandKirk · Post #12 » by **DerrickandKirk** » Tue Jun 30, 2009 8:23 am

OMG, Calderón is much, much better than Cabezas. In addition, Cabezas tends to play poorly with the selection. You must hate much Jose Calderón if you prefer a player like Cabezas before, who is worst in EVERYTHING.

KWSN-Men · Post #13 » by **KWSN-Men** » Tue Jun 30, 2009 9:20 am

DerrickandKirk wrote:OMG, Calderón is much, much better than Cabezas. In addition, Cabezas tends to play poorly with the selection. You must hate much Jose Calderón if you prefer a player like Cabezas before, who is worst in EVERYTHING.

Calderon.... if he gets a team 35 points in scoring and assists, he gives up 40 on defense. He's a minus no matter what at any serious level of basketball. And the Eurobasket is a very serious level.

DerrickandKirk · Post #14 » by **DerrickandKirk** » Tue Jun 30, 2009 2:55 pm

Interestingly, in FIBA basketball Calderón have been always considered (and in fact, he is) a good defender. As good or better than Cabezas. In NBA is another thing (let us not deceive, almost no one defends in NBA's regular season and Calderón, who already had physical problems in his first year before the All Star break because of fatigue, either) and even despite being a bad defender he continues being a good player. It is also interesting to recall when Calderon wasn't starter and hadn't complaints about his defense, which was good. You follow me, I guess. He played less and could give more at defense. Now he must dosed much more.

You know, Calderón is better director of game than Cabezas, is better scorer, is better passer and as I said before, even he can be better at defense. Or maybe all the selectors have been wrong all this time and Cabezas should have been starter instead of Calderón. But, ¿you know what? I think no.

I repeat: Calderón is much better player than Cabezas.

Joana · Post #15 » by **Joana** » Tue Jun 30, 2009 11:10 pm

DerrickandKirk wrote:I repeat: Calderón is much better player than Cabezas.

100% true. Saying otherwise is bizarre.

KWSN-Men wrote:Well remember that if you face Greece in an elimination game you better have experienced point guards. Because Greece has the best point guards.

Meh.. true if Diamantidis and Papaloulas were playing, but they aren't.

KWSN-Men · Post #16 » by **KWSN-Men** » Wed Jul 1, 2009 10:39 am

Joana wrote:
DerrickandKirk wrote:I repeat: Calderón is much better player than Cabezas.

100% true. Saying otherwise is bizarre.

KWSN-Men wrote:Well remember that if you face Greece in an elimination game you better have experienced point guards. Because Greece has the best point guards.

Meh.. true if Diamantidis and Papaloulas were playing, but they aren't.

Papaloukas is washed up. This is 2009, not 2006. Diamantidis logs no more than 5 minutes a game at point guard.

NY Kicks · Post #17 » by **NY Kicks** » Thu Jul 2, 2009 12:45 am

Spaniards are obvious favorites...Lithuania and Greece may disturb them.

Joana · Post #18 » by **Joana** » Thu Jul 2, 2009 12:57 am

KWSN-Men wrote:Papaloukas is washed up. This is 2009, not 2006. Diamantidis logs no more than 5 minutes a game at point guard.

Yeah, that's why I think they don't have to worry about the Greek point-guards. Zisis, Calathes and the likes aren't really that good.

KWSN-Men · Post #19 » by **KWSN-Men** » Thu Jul 2, 2009 3:23 am

Joana wrote:
KWSN-Men wrote:Papaloukas is washed up. This is 2009, not 2006. Diamantidis logs no more than 5 minutes a game at point guard.

Yeah, that's why I think they don't have to worry about the Greek point-guards. Zisis, Calathes and the likes aren't really that good.

Zisis plays at shooting guard for the national team. We don't know if he will play point guard or not under the new coach. Also, Kazkaluaskas said he doubts Calathes will make the team, so I'm not sure I would pencil him in just yet.

morol · Post #20 » by **morol** » Thu Jul 2, 2009 10:28 am

DerrickandKirk wrote:http://www.feb.es/Documentos/Archivo/pdf/selecciones/seniormas/2009/LISTA09.pdf

Ricky Rubio (PG)
Carlos Cabezas (PG)
Raül López (PG)
Juan Carlos Navarro (SG)
Rudy Fernández (SG)
Alex Mumbrú (SF)
Berni Rodríguez (SG/SF)
Victor Claver (SF/PF)
Jorge Garbajosa (PF)
Pau Gasol (C)
Felipe Reyes (PF/C)
Marc Gasol (C)

Reserves
Sergio Llull (PG)
Saúl Blanco (SG)
Guillem Rubio (PF)

Feck me, they shouldn't be allowed so much talent on one team. I see a tiny weak spot at SF but they can cover it with etiher going small (Rudy) or big (Jorge). There's also a question of how well can they keep the Greece bigs away from the basket. The #1 fav nonetheless.