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Atkinsuck Changes His Mind (update page 4)

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Re: Atkinsuck Changes His Mind (update page 4) 

Post#241 » by BigSlam » Tue Jun 21, 2022 7:28 pm

countryboi wrote:Hornets fans are the worse, Yall will look at a situation that is 99 percent Kenny Atkinson fault and think how did the hornets mess this up. the answer to every question you are looking for is Kenny Atkinson is a bitch

It’s funny to me.

The Hornets have done enough things themselves to legitimately come under fire from fans.

They don’t need us fabricating more reasons.

There’s already plenty of ammo (pun intended) to use.
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Re: Atkinsuck Changes His Mind (update page 4) 

Post#242 » by fatlever » Tue Jun 21, 2022 8:05 pm

Why is everything so black and white here.

All or nothing it seems.

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Re: Atkinsuck Changes His Mind (update page 4) 

Post#243 » by SWedd523 » Tue Jun 21, 2022 9:15 pm

fatlever wrote:Anyone care to change their opinion that the Hornets don't deserve any blame?

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Not in the slightest.

I'm sure that topic was covered at least once throughout the 3 interviews and before agreeing in verbal. Sounds like a lot of of damage control by Atkinson and his agent because they know how bad he looks for reneging
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Post#244 » by SWedd523 » Tue Jun 21, 2022 9:17 pm

countryboi wrote:Hornets fans are the worse, Yall will look at a situation that is 99 percent Kenny Atkinson fault and think how did the hornets mess this up. the answer to every question you are looking for is Kenny Atkinson is a bitch

fats has just been super Eeyore for a couple of years now. Don't mind him too much.
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Re: Atkinsuck Changes His Mind (update page 4) 

Post#245 » by SWedd523 » Tue Jun 21, 2022 9:21 pm

fatlever wrote:Why is everything so black and white here.

All or nothing it seems.

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Stop looking for Boogeymen bro, it's like a weird mix of PTSD and Stockholm Syndrome.

Immediately when the news broke you made a long post essentially on "I don't know how, but I'll be damned if I'm not CERTAIN it's the Hornets fault"

When they do dumb ****, like stretch Batum to give a chronically injured dude a big contract, or trade a first for Marco Bellinelli, we all have reason to bitch.

They **** up enough for us to not need to search for more reasons to hate them
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Re: Atkinsuck Changes His Mind (update page 4) 

Post#246 » by Diop » Wed Jun 22, 2022 6:03 am

fatlever wrote:Anyone care to change their opinion that the Hornets don't deserve any blame?

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The current assistants seem to have done well developing players, could the front office want to keep them for that reason?
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Re: Atkinsuck Changes His Mind (update page 4) 

Post#247 » by fatlever » Wed Jun 22, 2022 12:25 pm

If the information about the assistant coaches is true, and I have no reason to believe otherwise, then I believe a lot of you are missing a very big Point here. And if that makes me the boogeyman then so be it.

You don't hire a new head coach and then turn around and dictate to that head coach who his staff should be.

You don't pretend to try to be a winning franchise and then turn around and make decisions about assistant coaches based on money. We're not talking about a lot of money here. We're talking about assistant coach money here.

I also think it's naive to believe that decisions about assistant coaches an assistant coach salaries are determined during the interview process of hiring head coach. That process would logically be done after the coaches hired and he has time to start looking at which coaches are available who can he bring on Etc.

Jay Hernandez seems like a very valuable assistant coach, and it would make sense if the front office recommended to Kenny that maybe he should consider keeping some of these assistant coaches around. Ultimately, you have to give the new head coach that authority to make those decisions.

The fact that it is widely known around the league that we do not pay our assistant coaches well and we do not put money towards the budget for assistant coaching staff is embarrassing. Plain and simple. It shows that this franchise is not serious.

Feel free to keep absolving Jordan and the Jordan friends and family work tree of any responsibility when it comes to the state of this franchise for the past 15 years.



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Post#248 » by SWedd523 » Wed Jun 22, 2022 12:37 pm

Can you give a justification for why he decided to find irreconcilable issue with that AFTER coming to terms?

If it was a problem, he should've turned down the offer in principle
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Post#249 » by Heelsfan119 » Wed Jun 22, 2022 12:44 pm

fatlever wrote:If the information about the assistant coaches is true, and I have no reason to believe otherwise, then I believe a lot of you are missing a very big Point here. And if that makes me the boogeyman then so be it.

You don't hire a new head coach and then turn around and dictate to that head coach who his staff should be.

You don't pretend to try to be a winning franchise and then turn around and make decisions about assistant coaches based on money. We're not talking about a lot of money here. We're talking about assistant coach money here.

I also think it's naive to believe that decisions about assistant coaches an assistant coach salaries are determined during the interview process of hiring head coach. That process would logically be done after the coaches hired and he has time to start looking at which coaches are available who can he bring on Etc.

Jay Hernandez seems like a very valuable assistant coach, and it would make sense if the front office recommended to Kenny that maybe he should consider keeping some of these assistant coaches around. Ultimately, you have to give the new head coach that authority to make those decisions.

The fact that it is widely known around the league that we do not pay our assistant coaches well and we do not put money towards the budget for assistant coaching staff is embarrassing. Plain and simple. It shows that this franchise is not serious.

Feel free to keep absolving Jordan and the Jordan friends and family work tree of any responsibility when it comes to the state of this franchise for the past 15 years.



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I don’t think I’ve seen any one completely absolve Jordan in this. No one is saying we are one of the best run franchises. It’s obvious we have our warts as most teams would not fire their coach a year after extending him. I also believe that coaches should pick their assistants. Of course the Hornets own some of their blunders.

With that said, placing blame predominately on the franchise is asinine in this case. I think it’s a little naive to think the topic of assistants didn’t come up during discussions. I agree details on salaries may not have been delved into, however if the organization wanted some staff to remain, that would come up. Let’s be real, Atkinson had 3 meetings with the team, THREE. I’m sure this topic was broached. He then agreed to a 4 year deal. He could have very easily said he’d like to wait after the Finals but he didn’t, he accepted.

I have no problem with him turning down the job. My issue is with the timing. You don’t commit if you have doubts and you surely let the franchise know first before information is leaked to the press. It was just handled very unprofessionally by Atkinson.
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Post#250 » by LofJ » Wed Jun 22, 2022 12:48 pm

The organization really likes Jay Hernandez and Nick Friedman. I have no problem with them insisting they remain on the staff. I also feel pretty confident that the organization fully intended to hire a few assistants handpicked by Atkinson. That said we've been cheap with how much we pay coaches, if that was the sticking point hopefully MJ learned something from this. You more often than not get what you pay for.
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Post#251 » by yosemiteben » Wed Jun 22, 2022 12:52 pm

fatlever wrote:If the information about the assistant coaches is true, and I have no reason to believe otherwise, then I believe a lot of you are missing a very big Point here. And if that makes me the boogeyman then so be it.

You don't hire a new head coach and then turn around and dictate to that head coach who his staff should be.

You don't pretend to try to be a winning franchise and then turn around and make decisions about assistant coaches based on money. We're not talking about a lot of money here. We're talking about assistant coach money here.

For the record, we actually have no idea what top of money we're talking about. It was apparently enough to be a dealbreaker, which is why I don't give any credibility to Atkinson for not addressing it before committing.

fatlever wrote:I also think it's naive to believe that decisions about assistant coaches an assistant coach salaries are determined during the interview process of hiring head coach. That process would logically be done after the coaches hired and he has time to start looking at which coaches are available who can he bring on Etc.

I don't recall any situation in NBA history where a coach has committed to walk on this basis. So either our FO was taking an extreme, completely unprecedented position that either miraculously evaded any discussion during the multiple rounds of interviews that Atkinson had or on which the FO themselves backtracked (no one has alleged this), or Atkinson committed and then flipped.

fatlever wrote:The fact that it is widely known around the league that we do not pay our assistant coaches well and we do not put money towards the budget for assistant coaching staff is embarrassing. Plain and simple. It shows that this franchise is not serious.

Do you see the irony in saying on the one hand that it's widely known that we underpay assistants, then on the other saying Atkinson shouldn't have done his diligence and gotten clarity on that before committing?
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Re: Atkinsuck Changes His Mind (update page 4) 

Post#252 » by fatlever » Wed Jun 22, 2022 1:00 pm

LofJ wrote:The organization really likes Jay Hernandez and Nick Friedman. I have no problem with them insisting they remain on the staff. I also feel pretty confident that the organization fully intended to hire a few assistants handpicked by Atkinson. That said we've been cheap with how much we pay coaches, if that was the sticking point hopefully MJ learned something from this. You more often that not get what you pay for.
Suggesting, fine... insisting is different.

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Post#253 » by fatlever » Wed Jun 22, 2022 1:08 pm

SWedd523 wrote:Can you give a justification for why he decided to find irreconcilable issue with that AFTER coming to terms?

If it was a problem, he should've turned down the offer in principle
I would assume during the interview process the Hornets asked Kenny for some ideas on who he might bring in as an assistant. That would seem like very logical questions to ask a potential head coach, what type of Staff do you want to have, how large and who are some of your top targets.

But I don't believe that any of this would have been agreed upon prior to him signing a contract. I'm sure Kenny would want to do his own due diligence after becoming coach to research potential assistants talk to them find out who's interested and what type of money it would take to bring them along.

The Hornets also probably had an idea of a few assistant coaches they thought should stick around, like when Steven Silas stuck around through multiple routes.

These things were all probably suggested and discussed in in very general terms during the interview process. However, when push came to shove last week and Kenny started putting out names and the cost of those people and the Hornets started pushing back either because of cost or because they wanted to keep certain staff, that could been the deal-breaker for a piece of **** like Kenny who was already waffling and getting pressure from warriors to stay.

My stance has always been fairly simple that Kenny Atkinson deserves the majority of the blame and what he did and how he handled it was completely unprofessional. But I do in fact believe that the Hornets played a part in his change of heart. And now we have some evidence of what that might have been.

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Post#254 » by Scoots1994 » Sun Jun 26, 2022 7:52 pm

Hey, my post was deleted. :(

Sorry you lost out on Atkinson. Shame you end up with Clifford.

Hopefully in a year or so the Hornets can lure a coach like Adrian Griffin.

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