Hornets interested in Donovan Mitchell

[fatlever]

Cavs were in a much better position to make this kind of move than we were. Multiple (young) all-stars and one of the best/most talented prospects in the entire league.

They were already a better team than us to begin with, and didn't have to move any of their main pieces. They don't need to worry about drafting any more prospects because they're covered at 4 positions and that 5th (SF) can be filled with any generic 3&D guy.

I'm sure folks are going to look at them doing well and go "Man, if only we traded for Mitchell instead, we'd be in that position" when they were already a top 4 East team when healthy and Mobley has a ton of upward projection

This 100%
Our situations are drastically different, especially after Miles.

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[fatlever]

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[Liver_Pooty]

Lol the green miles. Made me giggle good

[Diop]

I’ve got a dark, twisted sense of humour

[JMAC3]

Cavs were in a much better position to make this kind of move than we were. Multiple (young) all-stars and one of the best/most talented prospects in the entire league.

They were already a better team than us to begin with, and didn't have to move any of their main pieces. They don't need to worry about drafting any more prospects because they're covered at 4 positions and that 5th (SF) can be filled with any generic 3&D guy.

I'm sure folks are going to look at them doing well and go "Man, if only we traded for Mitchell instead, we'd be in that position" when they were already a top 4 East team when healthy and Mobley has a ton of upward projection

I like the deal for Cleveland, they were better than us before the deal and way better than us now. So if that is the reasoning to not do the deal is kind of strange to me. If we had done the deal we would probably be on same playing field they were on and competing with them, if anything that was more reason for us to do the deal.

It would have forced Cleveland to probably let Sexton walk along with not having a first this season, and likely mid firsts moving forward. Cleveland likely wasn't going to reach this Mitchell level if they had not done the deal. Win for them.

[JMAC3]

Also, for those saying we wouldn't have been able to improve post Mitchell deal. We still would of had draft picks every other year, next year we are going to have cap space for Oubre, Plumlee, PJ and Batum dead money falling off books which is 35 Million in cap space. We had options and could of figured it out, in fact that would of given Mitch a direction and maybe then he would not be so play in the middle/safe.

Lamelo vs Garland
Mitchell vs Mobley
Mark Williams vs Jarrett Allen

That is at least competitive where we lose ground in center matchup I think Mitchell is better than Mobley for at least 2 more years while he develops.

[yosemiteben]

People are saying Cleveland was in a better spot to give up assets to chase Mitchell because of the pieces they'd have after the trade. Not sure how pointing out that we'd have a top 3 that would be competitive with pre-Mitchell Cleveland (which IMO is a major stretch when we have no idea how Mark Williams will work out) addresses the depletion of the roster and the lack of upside that would result. I don't want to be the pre-Mitchell Cavs minus their depth and a bunch of picks.

[JMAC3]

People are saying Cleveland was in a better spot to give up assets to chase Mitchell because of the pieces they'd have after the trade. Not sure how pointing out that we'd have a top 3 that would be competitive with pre-Mitchell Cleveland (which IMO is a major stretch when we have no idea how Mark Williams will work out) addresses the depletion of the roster and the lack of upside that would result. I don't want to be the pre-Mitchell Cavs minus their depth and a bunch of picks.

I am saying dumb it down.

Option 1? Keeps us in the hunt for 5/6th best team in East
Option 2? We do not improve, another team guarantees they are better than us

I didn't feel like going through every player on our roster/theirs. but Hayward/Levert. PJ/Lauri. Martin/Okoro. are all pretty close, don't think it would be massively worse depth wise.

Also, Jarrett Allen is probably a little overrated by media right now because he was an allstar, but only averaged 16/10 in a career year. He was 11 and 13 ppg before that. Don't think it would be crazy for Mark Williams to average 10/8 if we played him a major role.

[yosemiteben]

And I'm saying 5/6 in the east with depleted depth and picks is not worth it for me. Not close.

[JMAC3]

And I'm saying 5/6 in the east with depleted depth and picks is not worth it for me. Not close.

You act like our team would be locked in. Done. Never can make another move. We would still have firsts in 2024, 2026, 2028. Still have cap space this summer when Oubre, Plumlee, PJ and Batum money fall off. Still have money following year when Hayward contract is over.

But yes, if LaMelo never got better. Mitchell never got better. We never signed anyone in FA. We missed on those 3 drafts we still have picks in. Other players we might keep in deal out of Bouk, Mark, PJ, McGowens, Kai never improved either. Then yes we would be stuck as the 5th/6th seed and that would suck, but still more success than we have had in the last 15 years.

[yosemiteben]

And I'm saying 5/6 in the east with depleted depth and picks is not worth it for me. Not close.

You act like our team would be locked in. Done. Never can make another move.

For whatever its worth, I never said or implied that, though I suppose it does make for a convenient strawman.

What I did say is I'm not trading all those assets to become Cleveland pre-Mitchell minus several unprotected 1sts and depth. You yourself said we would be competitive with Cleveland after the trade. I'm saying that's not good enough to justify that sort of package.

I'm not saying we'd give literally all our assets or that we never could make another move. No one has said that on here.

[Rich4114]

While this specific venture is dead, I just want them to be aggressive now. Mitch came here to rebuild and it started with the Kemba decision and had a huge break of luck (despite not fully embracing rebuild up front by adding Terry) by landing LaMelo. There’s a nice collection of young talent added and while the Miles thing puts a huge damper on everything it is now time to be aggressive and add the second star to LaMelo. Miles was always more suited as a third star for various reasons anyway. Go big whale hunting now, you can’t rebuild for 5+ seasons.