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[MasterIchiro]

Like we listened to you harp on about Cho, but I guess that's different as you know you're right??

You missed the point anyhow, attacking/condescending posts about other posters will just end up getting posts deleted and posters suspended.

Point blank man, I'm not going to spend a second here if all the majority does is take cheap shots at the team when we're down. I'm not saying posters shouldn't vent but I've reached a breaking point. They've offered few alternatives. It's doom doom doom 24-7. It's overdone. There's no reason on God's green Earth to torch the place and burn it to the ground. The media takes enough cheap shots at our owner. They're borderline abusive and we have mods blaming the victim here. Yeah, MJ is dumb, dumb dumb dumb. It's **** toxic dude.

Don’t leave, we need posters here.

You can’t be mad at posters for taking shots at the team, it’s more than deserved. It’s a miracle I’m even actively posting. I’ve gone from age 16 to age 34 with the worst franchise in the NBA (yes, and it’s not close. The original franchise moves when I’m 14 years old and die hard fan. Talk about crushing. Then since then, 0 playoff series wins, 3 playoff appearances, 0 division titles… only the Kings are in the convo, yet they had really good teams in the early 2000s). And just when they are on the upswing, finally, it all comes crashing down again and Vegas sharps have been murdering the under on this team and it’s likely we will finish under 30 wins, yet again, but the front office thinks we are a contender.

It’s pathetic. I’ve reached my breaking point. They trade the 13th pick for nothing, when a player I know we need is on the board and now looks like one of the best rookies in the NBA. I feel like Mark Ruffalo in Spotlight. They can’t keep getting away with this! You can’t fool me anymore with this fake optimism, I know how this season is going to go. We are going to finish with the 8th-12th pick again. We are going to be leapfrogged by teams worse than us because they got luckier in the draft and they hire actual good coaches. It’s the same cycle over and over.

I’m not **** on Bouknight, but we are celebrating that he hit a few threes in a row. Why? How many end of bench guys in the NBA CANT do that? The Celtics white guy that I never heard of hit 5 threes in a quarter against us the other day. It’s just super disappointing that he looks so far behind other NBA players and we were counting on him this year. I hope he gets better quickly for all of our sakes.

I don't expect a reversal based on a brief stretch in the 4th quarter of a final preseason game that doesn't count. I don't think anyone is capable of those mental gymnastics. I just want a moratorium. A pause.

Take a long look at that stretch. Watch his movements, with the ball, without it. Watch him survey the floor, something he's improved during preseason. This is not his end. It's his beginning. With his age, I expect the frequency or those stretches to increase. And I expect those stretches to last longer with greater experience.

I think the negativity has caused some to write his obituary. What was it about that draft? Seems Sengün is a cult figure in some Charlotte circles. Bouknight is a casualty of a pity party.

Now pick 13 is a casualty of Tari Eason. I disliked Sengün but I understand how they feel because I liked Eason.

But I can't finish an assessment until I know who's the player behind the Nuggets pick. Who's McGowens? Who's the player behind the 2023 Jazz 2nd? The Rockets opened our presents but we still have unopened presents under the tree.

[Roll Tide 09]

Good game. The team is already much better on defense. I’m not sure if we’ll win a lot, but at least we’re not a lost cause.


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[Braggins]

I don't expect a reversal based on a brief stretch in the 4th quarter of a final preseason game that doesn't count. I don't think anyone is capable of those mental gymnastics. I just want a moratorium. A pause.

You completely refuse to ever engage with any evidence that counters your opinion. You'll literally still insult someones intelligence and ability to understand basketball for posting something like saying Sengun is better than Bouk, despite literally all evidence from the past year suggesting it to be true. Its kind of unbelievable for you to act like people should stop criticizing Bouknight and reconsider their opinion of him based on this game out of respect for you... Did you take a step back and reconsider your opinion of Bouk after any of the last four games where he played poorly?

Point blank man, I'm not going to spend a second here if all the majority does is take cheap shots at the team when we're down.

Youre possibly the pettiest poster on here at this point and constantly take shots at people and insult them and now youre trying to demand that no one post any negative opinions about the GM and players you like or you'll leave the forums. Imagine how you would have responded to someone during the Cho era saying they were going to leave the forum if you didn't posting negative things about Cho and MKG and Zeller.

[MasterIchiro]

I don't expect a reversal based on a brief stretch in the 4th quarter of a final preseason game that doesn't count. I don't think anyone is capable of those mental gymnastics. I just want a moratorium. A pause.

You completely refuse to ever engage with any evidence that counters your opinion. You'll literally still insult someones intelligence and ability to understand basketball for posting something like saying Sengun is better than Bouk, despite literally all evidence from the past year suggesting it to be true. Its kind of unbelievable for you to act like people should stop criticizing Bouknight and reconsider their opinion of him because of a short stretch in the 4th quarter of the final preseason game out of respect for you...

Point blank man, I'm not going to spend a second here if all the majority does is take cheap shots at the team when we're down.

Youre possibly the pettiest poster on here at this point and constantly take shots at people and insult them and now youre trying to demand that no one post any negative opinions about the GM and players you like or you'll leave the forums. Its kind of unbelievable tbh.

You're just mad because you can't prolong your pity party over Sengün and you want free reign trashing a prospect fresh off a season where the GM fresh off firing the old coach said the old coach should've played him more, and fresh off the new coach saying he fits the modern game and has two way potential. And sees him as a starter. Does this evidence conflict with your opinion and you refuse to acknowledge it, despite someone placing tape for context? The votes of confidence from both the GM and coach evidence your stance could use a healthy dose of pause. You don't have to respect my opinion buddy. But you might want to listen to a pro GM and vet coach. And show some...restraint?

Petty. LMFAO.

[yosemiteben]

I don't normally call people out like this, but if we keep getting posts mocking/baiting/pointing the finger at other posters, we will have to be stricter moderators. We've seen different versions of it over the years and it always just ends up in crappy side tracked threads. We don't want to go through that crap again.

Cheer for your players, feel good in yourself when you guess right, argue when you disagree with a point. leave it at that.

I want to re-echo Diop's sentiment here. It's fine to have strong / divergent takes about the team, but insulting or trolling posters for their opinions isn't gonna fly.

[MasterIchiro]

I don't normally call people out like this, but if we keep getting posts mocking/baiting/pointing the finger at other posters, we will have to be stricter moderators. We've seen different versions of it over the years and it always just ends up in crappy side tracked threads. We don't want to go through that crap again.

Cheer for your players, feel good in yourself when you guess right, argue when you disagree with a point. leave it at that.

I want to re-echo Diop's sentiment here. It's fine to have strong / divergent takes about the team, but insulting or trolling posters for their opinions isn't gonna fly.

Goodbye everyone. **** this ****.

[Braggins]

I don't expect a reversal based on a brief stretch in the 4th quarter of a final preseason game that doesn't count. I don't think anyone is capable of those mental gymnastics. I just want a moratorium. A pause.

You completely refuse to ever engage with any evidence that counters your opinion. You'll literally still insult someones intelligence and ability to understand basketball for posting something like saying Sengun is better than Bouk, despite literally all evidence from the past year suggesting it to be true. Its kind of unbelievable for you to act like people should stop criticizing Bouknight and reconsider their opinion of him because of a short stretch in the 4th quarter of the final preseason game out of respect for you...

Point blank man, I'm not going to spend a second here if all the majority does is take cheap shots at the team when we're down.

Youre possibly the pettiest poster on here at this point and constantly take shots at people and insult them and now youre trying to demand that no one post any negative opinions about the GM and players you like or you'll leave the forums. Its kind of unbelievable tbh.

You're just mad because you can't prolong your pity party over Sengün and you want free reign trashing a prospect fresh off a season where the GM fresh off firing the old coach said the old coach should've played him more, and fresh off the new coach saying he fits the modern game and has two way potential. And sees him as a starter. Does this evidence conflict with your opinion and you refuse to acknowledge it, despite someone placing tape for context? The votes of confidence from both the GM and coach evidence your stance could use a healthy dose of pause. You don't have to respect my opinion buddy. But you might want to listen to a pro GM and vet coach. And show some...restraint?

Petty. LMFAO.

[CuseMayne]

Nick, Thor and Mark looked better each preseason game. If they're the young guys that can contribute, so be it. Thor v McD is an interesting battle.

DSJ looks passable.

Melo/Rozier/Hayward/PJ/Plumlee
DSJ/Martin/Oubre/McD(Thor)/Richards

For however long Melo's out:

Rozier/Oubre/Hayward/PJ/Plumlee
DSJ/Martin/McD/Thor/Richards

Think Cliff will start Oubre or Martin? Will he play Martin/Hayward at the 1 ever? Assumption is that Mark's out of the rotation/C3, and Bouk's out of the rotation, at least to start. A lot depends on Oubre, as I feel Martin will be in the rotation no matter what.

[fatlever]

That 2nd unit will come down to bouk vs Thor as 10th man in rotation. If he goes 9 man. Then they are both probably out unless one beats out oubre.

Either a smaller 2nd unit of...
Dsj, bouk, cody, mcd, nick

Or longer
Dsj, cody, mcd, Thor, nick

I'd probably lean toward the smaller unit

Cody and oubre interchangeable between 1st 2nd units

Cliff once said he wants his best defensive team to start and best offense team to finish... but he rarely actually followed is own words.

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[BurrellFor3]

I’m surprised you guys have DSJ in the 9/10 man rotation to be honest. Nothing I’ve seen from him suggests he should be. In my opinion this is what I have as the top 10:

Melo, Rozier, Gordon, Washington, Plum
Martin, Oubre, Mcd, Richards, Bouk/Thor

I think DSJ is simply here for injuries and practice, don’t think he’s ahead of any of these 10/11 guys. He showed flashes in preseason but doesn’t look comfortable running a team at pg. I think the better option while Melo is sitting is letting Rozier handle pg duties, or even a combo of Martin/Rozier. And I’m pretty certain Cliff even said this in one of his media interviews last week.

[BurrellFor3]

Also, I will add Oubre is in danger of losing his spot imo. I think the franchise is better off investing time and minutes into Bouk and Thor and relegate Oubre to the bench or trade him. He doesn’t play a lick of D and the ball stops at him every single time on offense. I can’t imagine Cliff doesn’t see this unless maybe he sees more I don’t see from the television.

[amcoolio]

Oubre doesn't have a useful skill other than he's long so he appears to be a tough defender and occasionally hits a barrage of 3's, but usually only when we are up 10-20 points

I really wish Mitch would offload Oubre and Plumlee to force our coach to play the more useful players

[fatlever]

I’m surprised you guys have DSJ in the 9/10 man rotation to be honest. Nothing I’ve seen from him suggests he should be. In my opinion this is what I have as the top 10:

Melo, Rozier, Gordon, Washington, Plum
Martin, Oubre, Mcd, Richards, Bouk/Thor

I think DSJ is simply here for injuries and practice, don’t think he’s ahead of any of these 10/11 guys. He showed flashes in preseason but doesn’t look comfortable running a team at pg. I think the better option while Melo is sitting is letting Rozier handle pg duties, or even a combo of Martin/Rozier. And I’m pretty certain Cliff even said this in one of his media interviews last week.

Dennis Smith Jr is in the 10 Man rotation currently only because lamelo is out. He is our only other capable point guard on the roster other than terry. I certainly don't think that Bouk is ready to run the offense in the second unit. I guess alternately they could use Cody as the point guard in 2nd unit. I trust him more than bouk at running the show.

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[fatlever]

Also, I will add Oubre is in danger of losing his spot imo. I think the franchise is better off investing time and minutes into Bouk and Thor and relegate Oubre to the bench or trade him. He doesn’t play a lick of D and the ball stops at him every single time on offense. I can’t imagine Cliff doesn’t see this unless maybe he sees more I don’t see from the television.

I think that almost all of us universally agree that we are better off without Kelly in the lineup. None of us trust him after what he pulled last spring.

That being said, I think clear Cliff views him as some type of reclamation project where he thinks if he could just get Kelly to play passable defense that he would be a valuable player. Plus he's a veteran. I think Clifford will give him every opportunity to stay in the rotation before he finally drops him.

Or alternately Mitch might have to trade him just to get Clifford to stop playing him ahead of some of the younger players.

Point being, don't expect Cliff to stop playing Kelly at the start of the season.

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[UNCNYC]

McDaniels has to start hitting his jumpers more... Other than that I think he is a decent asset off the bench. He is a decent option off the bench defensively and creates for others when he penetrates.

[fatlever]

I like what mcd brings in a limited role. Solid bench depth, but not someone I want playing 20+ mins. I'd like to keep him around, but not a priority, especially if Thor can become more consistent.

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[UNCNYC]

I like what mcd brings in a limited role. Solid bench depth, but not someone I want playing 20+ mins. I'd like to keep him around, but not a priority, especially if Thor can become more consistent.

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I agree. I like McDaniels Cody and PJ because imo they are the most valuable role players on this team. They can all play 3 positions