2024 Draft Prospect - Devin Carter

[JMAC3]

I am a good bit lower on Carter. He measured super well at the combine and was one of the more athletic players...

However, he has the Davion Mitchell shooting jump last year that makes me nervous. Prior to this year he was a sub 30% guy and then this year he started hoisting up a ton of threes and ended up nearly at 38%. Add that to the fact he is already 22 yrs old and wasn't really a high pedigree in high school and there are enough red flags for me to push him down my board.

The shooting form is also a bit low and push shot like... which leads to him shooting a bunch of "bad" 30 footers because he has a harder time shooting over defenders guarding him closely.

Bonus note: playmaking and turnovers are a concern, he makes some passes that you expect to see from an 18 yr old still.

[JDR720]

He's the same size as Josh Hart.

So he's not a small guard, he's the same size as most SG's.

[JDR720]

Derrick White and Jrue Holiday look great next to two ball dominant 1st/2nd team All-NBA wings and a giant center who can defend the paint and launch threes.

Why are people neglecting context in regards to these guys?

Payton Pritchard looks good in his situation. He would not look good in Charlotte in a different role. Same for McConnell, White, or Jrue

Jrue had his statistically best seasons in New Orleans, where he averaged 22/8 his best season while still being a top defender. White averaged similar stats in San Antonio that he does in Boston too.

I'm not sure why you guys are trying to reinvent the wheel when it comes to guards sizes. Carter isn't a small guard. He's 2 inches taller than the average PG. Same as Jrue, White and Josh Hart.

[SWedd523]

I'm not sure why you are trying to say I mentioned anything about Carter's size, Jrue's size, White's size, Pritchard's size, or McConnell's size in that post

I want to believe it was fairly obvious the intended point had everything to do with role and situation

[JMAC3]

He's the same size as Josh Hart.

So he's not a small guard, he's the same size as most SG's.

The closest comps in my database are

CJ McCollum, De'Anthony Melton, Russell Westbrook, Gilbert Arenas, Immanuel Quickley, Blake Wesley, Grayson Allen, John Wall, Cason Wallace, Damian Lillard, Derrick Rose, E'Twaun Moore

Parameters:
Height: 6'1-6'3
Weight: 185-200 lbs
Wingspan: 6'6.25-6'9.5

Note: There are other names (total 47)

The question is how many of these guys are you comfortable playing the 2 full time?

[yosemiteben]

I'm not sure why you are trying to say I mentioned anything about Carter's size, Jrue's size, White's size, Pritchard's size, or McConnell's size in that post

I want to believe it was fairly obvious the intended point had everything to do with role and situation

To be fair, I read it as you suggesting that size was the reason that they needed the unique role and situation to be successful.

JustBuzzin brought up that below 6'5" is a small guard, in response to which I said a metric that kicks out Holiday and White isn't useful. The next post was you saying essentially that they only look good because of context, which seemed to suggest that their size limitations are the reason they are dependent on that situation. Maybe I misread or made faulty assumptions, just pointing out that seemed to be the context for the statement.

[SWedd523]

Your original response:

Pretty strongly disagree with the take that Jrue and White depend on anyone else to be effective on either end of the floor.

Would seem to imply that you understood exactly what I was talking about about, since you said they don't depend on anyone else to be effective.


Maybe not. Again, I want to say it's fairly obvious and accepted that team, role, situation, etc all greatly affect how good role players look.

Marcus Smart went from DPOY to I don't even know where he plays now. White stepped into that same role and now people are going "WOW he's such a great piece". Some might call that a clue.

It's not hard to look good as the 4th, 5th, 7th option when your main guys are All-NBA level.

Saying stuff like "well if Pritchard or White or McConnell, or whomever can do it (in what amounts to a pretty ideal situation for them) then why can't it be replicated here" is a lazy and reductive argument.

If you think we could slot someone like White into our lineup and still play as well as he does in Boston then cool. Reality isn't that easy.

[yosemiteben]

Your original response:

Pretty strongly disagree with the take that Jrue and White depend on anyone else to be effective on either end of the floor.

Would seem to imply that you understood exactly what I was talking about about, since you said they don't depend on anyone else to be effective.

Maybe not. Again, I want to say it's fairly obvious and accepted that team, role, situation, etc all greatly affect how good role players look.

Marcus Smart went from DPOY to I don't even know where he plays now. White stepped into that same role and now people are going "WOW he's such a great piece". Some might call that a clue.

It's not hard to look good as the 4th, 5th, 7th option when your main guys are All-NBA level.

Saying stuff like "well if Pritchard or White or McConnell, or whomever can do it (in what amounts to a pretty ideal situation for them) then why can't it be replicated here" is a lazy and reductive argument.

If you think we could slot someone like White into our lineup and still play as well as he does in Boston then cool. Reality isn't that easy.

I guess my confusion is, if we're not talking about size, why are these points relevant? This whole discussion was in the context of talking about Carter's size, and I'm still not sure if that's what you were responding to or if you just stepped in to steer this into a completely different direction.

My point in saying Jrue and White aren't dependent on their situation was intended to be that their size is not a limiter on their effectiveness.