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Re: GT: CHA vs Mavs Jan 20th at 12PM 

Post#61 » by Liver_Pooty » Mon Jan 20, 2025 8:28 pm

Nick Smith Jr damn near having a mini Bryce young renaissance.
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Re: GT: CHA vs Mavs Jan 20th at 12PM 

Post#62 » by MasterIchiro » Mon Jan 20, 2025 8:32 pm

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MasterIchiro wrote:Now thinking back to that little nugget the Hornets are listening on Nick Smith Jr., kind of gives me the creeps. Someone out there was lurking and stalking and we were/are fielding bids.


What was this nugget that gave you the creeps?


Hornets are listening to offers, so teams are calling, and we are listening.

We shouldn't be right now.

What do we even need more than a shooter who can handle the ball in the starting lineup?

I guess we could be shopping for a stretch big who can shoot.
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Re: GT: CHA vs Mavs Jan 20th at 12PM 

Post#63 » by Walt Cronkite » Mon Jan 20, 2025 8:37 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:Hornets are listening to offers, so teams are calling, and we are listening.

We shouldn't be right now.

What do we even need more than a shooter who can handle the ball in the starting lineup?

I guess we could be shopping for a stretch big who can shoot.

Ok, gotcha, thanks. I thought there was something about NSJ specifically that I missed.
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Re: GT: CHA vs Mavs Jan 20th at 12PM 

Post#64 » by MasterIchiro » Mon Jan 20, 2025 8:48 pm

Walt Cronkite wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:Hornets are listening to offers, so teams are calling, and we are listening.

We shouldn't be right now.

What do we even need more than a shooter who can handle the ball in the starting lineup?

I guess we could be shopping for a stretch big who can shoot.

Ok, gotcha, thanks. I thought there was something about NSJ specifically that I missed.


NSJ was specifically mentioned as someone they are listening on (thus broadcasting they're getting calls on him). His value is not close to being realized in my opinion.

NSJ looks like a legit sniper, and secondary playmaker who is a willing passer while playing passable defense. He plays with motor and effort. For someone only 20, he makes pretty good decisions out there. I say let him play through the mistakes. We look better with him getting real minutes and real opportunity. It's doing worlds for his confidence. Lee looked very pleased as NSJ exited the game for the bench before the last stand against Klay.
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Re: GT: CHA vs Mavs Jan 20th at 12PM 

Post#65 » by EmpireFalls » Mon Jan 20, 2025 8:56 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:
Walt Cronkite wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:Now thinking back to that little nugget the Hornets are listening on Nick Smith Jr., kind of gives me the creeps. Someone out there was lurking and stalking and we were/are fielding bids.


What was this nugget that gave you the creeps?


Hornets are listening to offers, so teams are calling, and we are listening.

We shouldn't be right now.

What do we even need more than a shooter who can handle the ball in the starting lineup?

I guess we could be shopping for a stretch big who can shoot.

That sounds like other teams may have leaked it, because they want him? I don’t see any upside to the Hornets announcing that they’re shopping Nick Smith
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Re: GT: CHA vs Mavs Jan 20th at 12PM 

Post#66 » by MasterIchiro » Mon Jan 20, 2025 9:02 pm

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MasterIchiro wrote:
Walt Cronkite wrote:
What was this nugget that gave you the creeps?


Hornets are listening to offers, so teams are calling, and we are listening.

We shouldn't be right now.

What do we even need more than a shooter who can handle the ball in the starting lineup?

I guess we could be shopping for a stretch big who can shoot.

That sounds like other teams may have leaked it, because they want him? I don’t see any upside to the Hornets announcing that they’re shopping Nick Smith


Other teams would want other bidders to think they're all alone in their interest, that there's no competition. Hornets would want to alert the field of bidders that there's competition because it generates pressure to raise the current bids.

They should not be offering Nick Smith Jr. right now. He just needs a chance to play with real players for once, not garbage time Greensboro scum like Bryce McGowens looking him off, or Maledon hogging the ball for a new contract, JT Thor hoisting a three. He's always been surrounded by players who make him look worse because the offense is dysnfuncional.

Put him with guys who know what they're doing and it changes perception of his potential. This audition has taught the front office a ton about NSJ that they might not have known, because they were scouting him out of context.

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Re: GT: CHA vs Mavs Jan 20th at 12PM 

Post#67 » by MasterIchiro » Mon Jan 20, 2025 9:08 pm

Tell me a rebuild team drafting slot 5 pre-lottery should trade a 20 year old shooting over 40% from 3 on his career, and with plenty of cost-control left on his rookie contract.

For what? Just makes no sense to even consider selling low on a player a little over a year older than Salaün.

At least they finally have the right one in the NBA now, and the right one with the Swarm.
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Re: GT: CHA vs Mavs Jan 20th at 12PM 

Post#68 » by Walt Cronkite » Mon Jan 20, 2025 9:23 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:Tell me a rebuild team drafting slot 5 pre-lottery should trade a 20 year old shooting over 40% from 3 on his career, and with plenty of cost-control left on his rookie contract.

For what? Just makes no sense to even consider selling low on a player a little over a year older than Salaün.

At least they finally have the right one in the NBA now, and the right one with the Swarm.


https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/278807/Hornets-Willing-To-Listen-To-Nick-Smith-Jr-Trade-Offers
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/278803/Hornets-Open-To-More-Trades;-Focused-On-Long-Term-Success
These two wiretaps are from the same day, hours apart. Seems to me not super newsworthy. Peterson tells Boone they're listening to offers for everyone (as he should be), and hours later, Stein says that according to rivals, the Hornets "have been willing to discuss potential trade" involving Nick. I mean, if they're listening to offers for everyone, that includes NSJ. IDK.
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Re: GT: CHA vs Mavs Jan 20th at 12PM 

Post#69 » by MasterIchiro » Mon Jan 20, 2025 9:28 pm

Walt Cronkite wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:Tell me a rebuild team drafting slot 5 pre-lottery should trade a 20 year old shooting over 40% from 3 on his career, and with plenty of cost-control left on his rookie contract.

For what? Just makes no sense to even consider selling low on a player a little over a year older than Salaün.

At least they finally have the right one in the NBA now, and the right one with the Swarm.


https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/278807/Hornets-Willing-To-Listen-To-Nick-Smith-Jr-Trade-Offers
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/278803/Hornets-Open-To-More-Trades;-Focused-On-Long-Term-Success
These two wiretaps are from the same day, hours apart. Seems to me not super newsworthy. Peterson tells Boone they're listening to offers for everyone (as he should be), and hours later, Stein says that according to rivals, the Hornets "have been willing to discuss potential trade" involving Nick. I mean, if they're listening to offers for everyone, that includes NSJ. IDK.


I'm aware they're listening on everyone, but that the leak through Stein (a legitimate source) specifically name-drops NSJ, it comes from the seller. Hornets would be motivated to broadcast interest in order to up bids. Not sure what they're seeking in return, but I would hold given his low value. He's not going to return a piece we need more than him.

I think we will see some trimming of redundancy between Green, Martin, Okogie. At the very least, we will be motivated to move Micić.

Can't be moving prospects as a rebuild team. Would we sell Salaün right now? Are we name- dropping him?
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Re: GT: CHA vs Mavs Jan 20th at 12PM 

Post#70 » by Walt Cronkite » Mon Jan 20, 2025 10:01 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:
Walt Cronkite wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:Tell me a rebuild team drafting slot 5 pre-lottery should trade a 20 year old shooting over 40% from 3 on his career, and with plenty of cost-control left on his rookie contract.

For what? Just makes no sense to even consider selling low on a player a little over a year older than Salaün.

At least they finally have the right one in the NBA now, and the right one with the Swarm.


https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/278807/Hornets-Willing-To-Listen-To-Nick-Smith-Jr-Trade-Offers
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/278803/Hornets-Open-To-More-Trades;-Focused-On-Long-Term-Success
These two wiretaps are from the same day, hours apart. Seems to me not super newsworthy. Peterson tells Boone they're listening to offers for everyone (as he should be), and hours later, Stein says that according to rivals, the Hornets "have been willing to discuss potential trade" involving Nick. I mean, if they're listening to offers for everyone, that includes NSJ. IDK.


I'm aware they're listening on everyone, but that the leak through Stein (a legitimate source) specifically name-drops NSJ, it comes from the seller. Hornets would be motivated to broadcast interest in order to up bids. Not sure what they're seeking in return, but I would hold given his low value. He's not going to return a piece we need more than him.

I think we will see some trimming of redundancy between Green, Martin, Okogie. At the very least, we will be motivated to move Micić.

Can't be moving prospects as a rebuild team. Would we sell Salaün right now? Are we name- dropping him?

I think a lot of posters would love to sell Salaun right now, yes. The Hornets didn't name drop NSJ though, it specifically says rival teams. Is Stein Line a podcast? Maybe there is extra context we can find. Anyway, I would prefer not to trade NSJ for the reason you mentioned earlier.
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Re: GT: CHA vs Mavs Jan 20th at 12PM 

Post#71 » by wilson115 » Mon Jan 20, 2025 10:06 pm

MPM wrote:Mark's been pulled off Gafford. Funny.

It worked at least. Perimeter D looked all-world in this one.

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Re: GT: CHA vs Mavs Jan 20th at 12PM 

Post#72 » by Bassman » Mon Jan 20, 2025 10:12 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:
Walt Cronkite wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:Tell me a rebuild team drafting slot 5 pre-lottery should trade a 20 year old shooting over 40% from 3 on his career, and with plenty of cost-control left on his rookie contract.

For what? Just makes no sense to even consider selling low on a player a little over a year older than Salaün.

At least they finally have the right one in the NBA now, and the right one with the Swarm.


https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/278807/Hornets-Willing-To-Listen-To-Nick-Smith-Jr-Trade-Offers
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/278803/Hornets-Open-To-More-Trades;-Focused-On-Long-Term-Success
These two wiretaps are from the same day, hours apart. Seems to me not super newsworthy. Peterson tells Boone they're listening to offers for everyone (as he should be), and hours later, Stein says that according to rivals, the Hornets "have been willing to discuss potential trade" involving Nick. I mean, if they're listening to offers for everyone, that includes NSJ. IDK.


I'm aware they're listening on everyone, but that the leak through Stein (a legitimate source) specifically name-drops NSJ, it comes from the seller. Hornets would be motivated to broadcast interest in order to up bids. Not sure what they're seeking in return, but I would hold given his low value. He's not going to return a piece we need more than him.

I think we will see some trimming of redundancy between Green, Martin, Okogie. At the very least, we will be motivated to move Micić.

Can't be moving prospects as a rebuild team. Would we sell Salaün right now? Are we name- dropping him?


Agree on your opinion relative to NSJ. Why not stick with him and see if the switch is indeed flipping on his productivity? I’d prefer to see a good deal made using Green first. He has been a big disappointment here, and perhaps would be a better fit with a different team. As for Salaun I don’t think a trade would bring much at this point, but they’ll listen on everybody other than Melo, Miller and Mark IMO.
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Re: GT: CHA vs Mavs Jan 20th at 12PM 

Post#73 » by MasterIchiro » Mon Jan 20, 2025 10:34 pm

Bassman wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:
Walt Cronkite wrote:
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/278807/Hornets-Willing-To-Listen-To-Nick-Smith-Jr-Trade-Offers
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/278803/Hornets-Open-To-More-Trades;-Focused-On-Long-Term-Success
These two wiretaps are from the same day, hours apart. Seems to me not super newsworthy. Peterson tells Boone they're listening to offers for everyone (as he should be), and hours later, Stein says that according to rivals, the Hornets "have been willing to discuss potential trade" involving Nick. I mean, if they're listening to offers for everyone, that includes NSJ. IDK.


I'm aware they're listening on everyone, but that the leak through Stein (a legitimate source) specifically name-drops NSJ, it comes from the seller. Hornets would be motivated to broadcast interest in order to up bids. Not sure what they're seeking in return, but I would hold given his low value. He's not going to return a piece we need more than him.

I think we will see some trimming of redundancy between Green, Martin, Okogie. At the very least, we will be motivated to move Micić.

Can't be moving prospects as a rebuild team. Would we sell Salaün right now? Are we name- dropping him?


Agree on your opinion relative to NSJ. Why not stick with him and see if the switch is indeed flipping on his productivity? I’d prefer to see a good deal made using Green first. He has been a big disappointment here, and perhaps would be a better fit with a different team. As for Salaun I don’t think a trade would bring much at this point, but they’ll listen on everybody other than Melo, Miller and Mark IMO.


They can listen all day long on Salaün but there's no voice on the other line calling about him. Maybe an imaginary friend.
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Re: GT: CHA vs Mavs Jan 20th at 12PM 

Post#74 » by Diop » Mon Jan 20, 2025 10:49 pm

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Post#75 » by wilson115 » Mon Jan 20, 2025 11:39 pm

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MPM wrote:Mark's been pulled off Gafford. Funny.

It worked at least. Perimeter D looked all-world in this one.

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Post#76 » by JustBuzzin » Mon Jan 20, 2025 11:45 pm

Liver_Pooty wrote:Nick Smith Jr damn near having a mini Bryce young renaissance.

Proud of Bryce. I had no hope for the kid after we benched him. He's the future now. The impressive part is he played well with one of the worst rosters in the league. Get him a #1 WR and the offense should cook next year.
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Post#77 » by Liver_Pooty » Mon Jan 20, 2025 11:56 pm

JustBuzzin wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:Nick Smith Jr damn near having a mini Bryce young renaissance.

Proud of Bryce. I had no hope for the kid after we benched him. He's the future now. The impressive part is he played well with one of the worst rosters in the league. Get him a #1 WR and the offense should cook next year.


His turnaround is one of the more prouder moments I’ve had for an athlete.
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Re: GT: CHA vs Mavs Jan 20th at 12PM 

Post#78 » by luciano-davidwesley » Tue Jan 21, 2025 2:16 am

EmpireFalls wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:
Walt Cronkite wrote:
What was this nugget that gave you the creeps?


Hornets are listening to offers, so teams are calling, and we are listening.

We shouldn't be right now.

What do we even need more than a shooter who can handle the ball in the starting lineup?

I guess we could be shopping for a stretch big who can shoot.

That sounds like other teams may have leaked it, because they want him? I don’t see any upside to the Hornets announcing that they’re shopping Nick Smith

I'd say some team made us an offer on him and we leaked it trying to start a bidding war
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Re: GT: CHA vs Mavs Jan 20th at 12PM 

Post#79 » by Robot Rock » Tue Jan 21, 2025 6:59 pm

Liver_Pooty wrote:
JustBuzzin wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:Nick Smith Jr damn near having a mini Bryce young renaissance.

Proud of Bryce. I had no hope for the kid after we benched him. He's the future now. The impressive part is he played well with one of the worst rosters in the league. Get him a #1 WR and the offense should cook next year.


His turnaround is one of the more prouder moments I’ve had for an athlete.


Seconded.

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