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Re: Fake Trade Thread #7 

Post#761 » by Bassman » Fri Jul 4, 2025 11:35 pm

driveandkick wrote:I think I’d pretty comfortably do any of our players that’s not LaMelo/Miller/Kon (tempted to add Tidjane since he was seen as a long term project, would be interested to know where the FO is on him right now) with a future first (as long as it’s not one of our own) and a second or two for Claxton or Allen. Having a guy like that would greatly help in evaluating the rest of our roster I think.


Frankly I’d give them 2 first rounders (from the discount pile)l a couple of seconds, plus the matching salary from guards and throw in Salaun if needed for Claxton. Unless it’s Jarrett Allen, who else can we hope to get? Claxton or any starting center is going to require multiple picks. We talk about stockpiling picks as assets to use in trades, but when discussing trading for starters, people balk at the price. :banghead:

SERIOUSLY JEFFIE, GET SERIOUS! You can talk about not skipping steps all you want to, but you can’t really evaluate your core NOR expect real progress when you gut your center position and backfill with temps. With all due respect, Moose IS NOT AN NBA CENTER. Kalkbrenner has good potential BUT HE IS A ROOKIE. Go get a pro who’s not an ancient Plumber. Claxton is a guy who isn’t perfect, but gives us a strong defender who can guard inside or out, a good rebounder & shot blocker, and a decent lob threat/shooter.

Any more glamorous center target will require giving up Melo…if they’re even interested, and maybe picks. Someone speculated Houston could be a Melo destination, since they have multiple centers stacking up. Sengun for Melo and NSJ works. They’d want a pick, maybe a first, some seconds at minimum. But even then they’d probably say no. Rockets want to win the West and go for a championship next year. What about Dallas and Gafford? Maybe Gafford and PJ? Would like to get that done without Melo involved, sending Miles and guards and picks. Not at all likely with Dallas wanting to make a run next year.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #7 

Post#762 » by bravor » Sat Jul 5, 2025 9:11 am

Actually, i dont see why anyone would overpay to land any Houston player as they are the ones who are already contenders and their title run window with KD won't last long. They are the ones in position of needs.

Dumping Ball would be silly, even if next drafts provide a strong potential at pg.

Otoh, as much as i like Claxton (already posted some ideas here and before), you dont overpay for a defensive/decent offensively center. Knowing Hornets could have traded down for Sorber in last draft for (probably, we'll see) the same production.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #7 

Post#763 » by JMAC3 » Sat Jul 5, 2025 1:37 pm

I have yet to see anyone make a realistic argument why Cleveland would want to trade for our random bad contracts to dump Jarrett Allen. Do you really think they want some late projected firsts for a starter while they are trying to win the East?

Claxton is coming off a bad year, where his attitude was bad.

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That's who people are ready to throw multiple firsts, Salaun, 2nds and matching salary to get?
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #7 

Post#764 » by JMAC3 » Sat Jul 5, 2025 1:38 pm

Also, if you are trading Miles Bridges in any trade to acquire a center you are opening another hole at PF. Are you starting Salaun there to start the year? Grant Williams is likely not back until December if I had to guess.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #7 

Post#765 » by MPM » Sat Jul 5, 2025 1:47 pm

At this point something like NSJ, Pat's expiring and a second rounder or two for Timelord would do me happy. I know there are mixed reactions on him here and his injury history is real but couple of guys that don't matter to us and we have a glut of seconds. POR will be starting Clingan and giving Yang minutes - they swap a vet for a young prospect and 1 or 2 seconds.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #7 

Post#766 » by MasterIchiro » Sat Jul 5, 2025 2:26 pm

JMAC3 wrote:I have yet to see anyone make a realistic argument why Cleveland would want to trade for our random bad contracts to dump Jarrett Allen. Do you really think they want some late projected firsts for a starter while they are trying to win the East?

Claxton is coming off a bad year, where his attitude was bad.

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That's who people are ready to throw multiple firsts, Salaun, 2nds and matching salary to get?


Yeah, pretty safe to rule out Allen because the Cavs want winning players and we want a winning center. Most likely we will need to source our winning center from a team motivated to lose.

Claxton makes far more sense because the Nets are definitely planning a tank season. They moved towards tanking way back when they traded Mikal Bridges.

I have far more confidence in our ability to negotiate for Claxton with BKN than with CLE for Allen, regardless of how I compare the fit/value/cost of the 2 centers.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #7 

Post#767 » by MPM » Sat Jul 5, 2025 3:16 pm

NSJ and Pat (plus a second or two) works for Timelord. I know there are mixed takes of him here and his injury history is real, but POR doesn't need him and might be drawn to a young prospect and a second.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #7 

Post#768 » by Braggins » Sat Jul 5, 2025 3:20 pm

MPM wrote:NSJ and Pat (plus a second or two) works for Timelord. I know there are mixed takes of him here and his injury history is real, but POR doesn't need him and might be drawn to a young prospect and a second.

I watched a ton of Portland games last year. He was out a lot but when he plays he is still good.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #7 

Post#769 » by Bassman » Sat Jul 5, 2025 3:52 pm

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MPM wrote:NSJ and Pat (plus a second or two) works for Timelord. I know there are mixed takes of him here and his injury history is real, but POR doesn't need him and might be drawn to a young prospect and a second.

I watched a ton of Portland games last year. He was out a lot but when he plays he is still good.


Yeah but does this team need a proven injury prone center? I mean, THIS is the epicenter of broken body parts.

I get that people don’t like the price of a starting caliber center. Think Claxton isn’t worth 2 firsts? How much would we pay for a really dynamic center? Look at recent trades for near star or star players. Talk about cleaning out the cubbard. How important is having a real starting center to this team starting this season? I say it’s ultra important. The league is shifting to bigs being involved again. We throw the old guy and undersized Miles at them, what happens? They focus defense, locking up our wings and guards, while pounding us inside on offense.

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Re: Fake Trade Thread #7 

Post#770 » by HornetJail » Sat Jul 5, 2025 4:07 pm

MPM wrote:NSJ and Pat (plus a second or two) works for Timelord. I know there are mixed takes of him here and his injury history is real, but POR doesn't need him and might be drawn to a young prospect and a second.

Easy yes. In the games he's actually healthy, he'd start for us.

We have to cut so many players as it is. We're going to get zero games from the players we cut.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #7 

Post#771 » by MPM » Sat Jul 5, 2025 4:18 pm

HornetJail wrote:
MPM wrote:NSJ and Pat (plus a second or two) works for Timelord. I know there are mixed takes of him here and his injury history is real, but POR doesn't need him and might be drawn to a young prospect and a second.

Easy yes. In the games he's actually healthy, he'd start for us.

We have to cut so many players as it is. We're going to get zero games from the players we cut.


I mean, this. NSJ's days seem numbered here - think POR would be happy to give him a look and grab a second or two. We'd not really be giving up anything of value and it would allow our core players to gel without having to compensate for our iffy front court. Timelord isn't netting a unprotected 1st at this point - think it's the type of deal that would work.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #7 

Post#772 » by MasterIchiro » Sat Jul 5, 2025 5:19 pm

MPM wrote:NSJ and Pat (plus a second or two) works for Timelord. I know there are mixed takes of him here and his injury history is real, but POR doesn't need him and might be drawn to a young prospect and a second.


There is no roster spot for Timelord unless we eat 2 years of Josh Green which is not happening.

Outside the 14 roster spots I listed, Green has to go in the move that brings in a center.

You could do Green (+ draft picks) for Timelord and eat Pat because he's only due 1 year.

Paying 2nd round picks + eating 9.4 million (minus vet min) for Timelord makes more sense but still seems pricey for an injured player.

Then we'd lose Okogie and NSJ for nothing because both of them fall outside the 14 roster players I've listed.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #7 

Post#773 » by MPM » Sat Jul 5, 2025 5:24 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:
MPM wrote:NSJ and Pat (plus a second or two) works for Timelord. I know there are mixed takes of him here and his injury history is real, but POR doesn't need him and might be drawn to a young prospect and a second.


There is no roster spot for Timelord unless we eat 2 years of Josh Green which is not happening.

Outside the 14 roster spots I listed, Green has to go in the move that brings in a center.

You could do Green (+ draft picks) for Timelord and eat Pat because he's only due 1 year.

Paying 2nd round picks + eating 9.4 million (minus vet min) for Timelord makes more sense but still seems pricey for an injured player.

Then we'd lose Okogie and NSJ for nothing because both of them fall outside the 14 roster players I've listed.


Would happily swap Green for Pat if POR wanted him. We just need to start exploring consolidation trades or we're going to leave value on the cutting room floor.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #7 

Post#774 » by amcoolio » Sat Jul 5, 2025 7:11 pm

My feeling is 70% we stay pat, 25% we are the Gobert team so Minny can start Reid and retool without his contract, 5% we are the sucker team that takes Embiid
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #7 

Post#775 » by JustBuzzin » Sat Jul 5, 2025 7:52 pm

amcoolio wrote:My feeling is 70% we stay pat, 25% we are the Gobert team so Minny can start Reid and retool without his contract, 5% we are the sucker team that takes Embiid

Embiid would be such a gamble, but man if his knee is even 75% this dude would be worth it.

I know people hate on Embiid but his talent can't be questioned when healthy.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #7 

Post#776 » by yosemiteben » Sat Jul 5, 2025 7:58 pm

I'm anti Rob Williams, Zion, and Embiid. I don't want any players that we should assume will miss time.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #7 

Post#777 » by Bassman » Sun Jul 6, 2025 1:15 pm

amcoolio wrote:My feeling is 70% we stay pat, 25% we are the Gobert team so Minny can start Reid and retool without his contract, 5% we are the sucker team that takes Embiid


Do not want Gobert. $35M for 3 years at 33 years old?

For those griping about trying to aquire Claxton and the possible price in draft picks, consider the value proposition; a young man who just turned 26 in April, nominated for consideration as defensive player of the year, whose salary actually decreases year by year till he’s making $20M in his final year! Averages 10.3PPG, 7.3 RB, shoots 56%. He can hit an occasional 3, but is a poor free throw shooter. Mostly he’s a defensive stopper to keep teams from driving to the hole with impunity against our weak defensive perimeter. If we don’t use draft assets to get him, who is coming with the calvary to save us next year?

Every position can’t have an all-star…can’t afford them. But if the Hornets can get Claxton, who at this point may be our only real possibility for a trade without using Melo, they should go for it.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #7 

Post#778 » by HornetJail » Sun Jul 6, 2025 1:22 pm

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amcoolio wrote:My feeling is 70% we stay pat, 25% we are the Gobert team so Minny can start Reid and retool without his contract, 5% we are the sucker team that takes Embiid

Embiid would be such a gamble, but man if his knee is even 75% this dude would be worth it.

I know people hate on Embiid but his talent can't be questioned when healthy.

it's the 4 years $240M+ owed that would be an absolute team killer if his body continues down the path literally everyone expects it to. I can't imagine trying to pay a 34 and 35 year old Embiid $62M and $67M once we have to give BMill his big boy contract.

If Embiid had 2... maybe 3... years left on the deal it would be a worthy gamble but I have a hard time believing there's more than 1 good superstar season left in those legs
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #7 

Post#779 » by MasterIchiro » Sun Jul 6, 2025 1:22 pm

I'm sensing Claxton may be someone the Nets keep for when they shift to winning, given the scarcity of centers.

The Rockets have the right to swap their 2027 1st round pick with BKN.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #7 

Post#780 » by Chapelchilla » Sun Jul 6, 2025 1:34 pm

I would be trying to get Claxton for our spare parts and up to 3 picks.

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