Sexy Time: The Collin Sexton Thread

[fatlever]

I don't live in a world where the Jazz had to pay to move Sexton.

It does not compute.

Hornets would never under any circumstance have to pay to move Sexton after the past 2 years he had.

The value driving the deal was hidden (draft night).

That theory makes more sense to me than the whole idea of paying to move Sexton.

Contrast to Pat - they'd have to pay to move Connaughton right now.

I agree. It seems possible or even likely that Sexton (and the pick) was the asset we got for passing Ace down to the Jazz.
I think he could be in the plans long term if - he plays well and wants to sign a team friendly extension And/Or - Melo gets hurt or traded.

this is one conspiracy theory that I cannot get behind. See my other post for a more logical reason as to why the jazz paid a second round pick to get rid of Sexton.

There's no way these two franchises would do a wink wink behind the scenes deal And risk some type of punishment from the league. They would have simply just made a trade with the Jazz moving up to 4 for a second round pick and a Sexton/nurk swap. So I think the possibility of this being the reason is pretty close to zero

[MasterIchiro]

I don't live in a world where the Jazz had to pay to move Sexton.

It does not compute.

Hornets would never under any circumstance have to pay to move Sexton after the past 2 years he had.

The value driving the deal was hidden (draft night).

That theory makes more sense to me than the whole idea of paying to move Sexton.

Contrast to Pat - they'd have to pay to move Connaughton right now.

I agree. It seems possible or even likely that Sexton (and the pick) was the asset we got for passing Ace down to the Jazz.
I think he could be in the plans long term if - he plays well and wants to sign a team friendly extension And/Or - Melo gets hurt or traded.

Not only does it make no sense the Jazz had to pay to move Sexton, Utah took on a contract the Suns had to pay to move. We didn't have to pay to move Nurkic when he did nothing to change his negative value.

So they double-paid for a 3rd string center (after Kessler & Filipowski) owed 19 million?

Where is the value?

It's the value of Ace over Kon, but Jeff chose not to go on record as trading Ace. So Ainge signed the Nurkic deal draft night, and Jeff submitted after some time passed after trading Mark. Would've looked bad to trade Nurk then start shopping Mark because we'd need Mark more after dumping Nurk for Sexton, not less.

Because we don't have evidence, fans have really miscalculated the value of Collin Sexton both for this season and for his Bird Rights moving forward. Had he not suffered the knee injury, he'd possibly be on par with Garland right now.

Garland is worth a ton. But Sexton just put together 2 solid seasons. And he started in 60+ games. He's here to start, not to flip, and not for a 2nd round pick.

[Chapelchilla]

I don't live in a world where the Jazz had to pay to move Sexton.

It does not compute.

Hornets would never under any circumstance have to pay to move Sexton after the past 2 years he had.

The value driving the deal was hidden (draft night).

That theory makes more sense to me than the whole idea of paying to move Sexton.

Contrast to Pat - they'd have to pay to move Connaughton right now.

I agree. It seems possible or even likely that Sexton (and the pick) was the asset we got for passing Ace down to the Jazz.
I think he could be in the plans long term if - he plays well and wants to sign a team friendly extension And/Or - Melo gets hurt or traded.

Not only does it make no sense the Jazz had to pay to move Sexton, Utah took on a contract the Suns had to pay to move. We didn't have to pay to move Nurkic when he did nothing to change his negative value.

So they double-paid for a 3rd string center (after Kessler & Filipowski) owed 19 million?

Where is the value?

It's the value of Ace over Kon, but Jeff chose not to go on record as trading Ace. So Ainge signed the Nurkic deal draft night, and Jeff submitted after some time passed after trading Mark. Would've looked bad to trade Nurk then start shopping Mark because we'd need Mark more after dumping Nurk for Sexton, not less.

Because we don't have evidence, fans have really miscalculated the value of Collin Sexton both for this season and for his Bird Rights moving forward. Had he not suffered the knee injury, he'd possibly be on par with Garland right now.

Garland is worth a ton. But Sexton just put together 2 solid seasons. And he started in 60+ games. He's here to start, not to flip, and not for a 2nd round pick.

Well written, I think that seems likely. It also saved the Jazz a few bucks on the draft slot.

[fatlever]

did you see the post I just made about the logic behind why the jazz traded Sexton?

[yosemiteben]

I don't live in a world where the Jazz had to pay to move Sexton.

It does not compute.

Hornets would never under any circumstance have to pay to move Sexton after the past 2 years he had.

The value driving the deal was hidden (draft night).

That theory makes more sense to me than the whole idea of paying to move Sexton.

I think it's more a situation where it was a favor to the player / agent. Just tracing the moves, Collins got traded into a much better situation for him, they bought out Clarkson (when surely they could have gotten some value for him) so he could go sign with NYK, and they sent Sexton into a much better situation for him. I think Utah was just acknowledging where they were as a franchise and wanting to do right by their vets who were stuck in limbo land for a team not trying to go anywhere.

Ironically I bet we leveraged the fact that we had no center depth in the negotiations, and were like "look, we like Sexton and can see a role for him here, but if we're going to deplete our center depth even more we need at least some draft capital on top of it."

The interesting piece is Lauri, who is still stuck in Utah on a complete rebuild team. He can't be happy about where things sit.

[MasterIchiro]

I don't live in a world where the Jazz had to pay to move Sexton.

It does not compute.

Hornets would never under any circumstance have to pay to move Sexton after the past 2 years he had.

The value driving the deal was hidden (draft night).

That theory makes more sense to me than the whole idea of paying to move Sexton.

I think it's more a situation where it was a favor to the player / agent. Just tracing the moves, Collins got traded into a much better situation for him, they bought out Clarkson (when surely they could have gotten some value for him) so he could go sign with NYK, and they sent Sexton into a much better situation for him. I think Utah was just acknowledging where they were as a franchise and wanting to do right by their vets who were stuck in limbo land for a team not trying to go anywhere.

Ironically I bet we leveraged the fact that we had no center depth in the negotiations, and were like "look, we like Sexton and can see a role for him here, but if we're going to deplete our center depth even more we need at least some draft capital on top of it."

The interesting piece is Lauri, who is still stuck in Utah on a complete rebuild team. He can't be happy about where things sit.

I have my eye on Portland, first adding Avdija, then Jrue, then Dame. I can see them making a run at Lauri. Ainge is probably asking too much for Lauri. There were rumors Ainge asked for 2 firsts for Sexton at the deadline. Collins was never worth **** at 26 million owed.

[Chapelchilla]

did you see the post I just made about the logic behind why the jazz traded Sexton?

I did now, lot's to catch up on, lol. That makes sense too I just FEEL like there may have been a draft angle to it too. Either way, we got a legit NBA player for an old not very good center and got paid to do it. Not bad GM'ing.

[GoBobs]

They did it because opposing defenses smothered LaMelo and wore him down. And when they tested Miller as a primary/secondary ball handler it gave him fits. So now they have someone to run offense when LaMelo needs a blow or falls to injury.

And you still haven't explained why Utah owners would sign off on paying a 3rd center 19 million.

We have LaMelo at pg, just drafted Kon to play sg, just signed Tre Mann to a 3 year deal while Sexton is on an expiring contract.

I can see him being in another deal before the deadline.

You are not backing down from your assertion Hornets valued the 2nd round pick attached to Sexton more than Sexton himself, huh?

So if some team comes to you and offers you a second round pick for Sexton, you are trading Sexton for a 2nd round pick, because the 2nd round pick is the whole reason you added him in the first place.

If management were to flirt with that return, I would push back so hard against it, their heads would never stop spinning.

It won't be just for a 2nd, it will be for salary matching on another player and maybe a 2nd. Or it could be for salary matching in a much larger deal.

But if we could trade Sexton for pure cap space the front office would do that in a nanosecond. Sexton is a bad contract at 18 mil even on a one year deal. We got Dinwiddie, a better fit for us, for less than 4 mil.

Sexton is very likely to be gone by the end of the year one way or another, because he is on a one year deal. Of course they are going to try and trade him.

If they believed in Sexton long term, why bring in Dinwiddie AND resign Mann?

LaMelo/Dinwiddie/Mann
Sexton/Kon/Josh Green/Salaun
Brandon Miller/Liam
Miles Bridges/Grant Williams
Plumblee/Moose/Kalk

Going forward PG is going to be LaMelo, sg is going to be Kon, sf is going to be Brandon. Why would they extend Sexton?

[MasterIchiro]

We have LaMelo at pg, just drafted Kon to play sg, just signed Tre Mann to a 3 year deal while Sexton is on an expiring contract.

I can see him being in another deal before the deadline.

You are not backing down from your assertion Hornets valued the 2nd round pick attached to Sexton more than Sexton himself, huh?

So if some team comes to you and offers you a second round pick for Sexton, you are trading Sexton for a 2nd round pick, because the 2nd round pick is the whole reason you added him in the first place.

If management were to flirt with that return, I would push back so hard against it, their heads would never stop spinning.

It won't be just for a 2nd, it will be for salary matching on another player and maybe a 2nd. Or it could be for salary matching in a much larger deal.

But if we could trade Sexton for pure cap space the front office would do that in a nanosecond. Sexton is a bad contract at 18 mil even on a one year deal. We got Dinwiddie, a better fit for us, for less than 4 mil.

Sexton is very likely to be gone by the end of the year one way or another, because he is on a one year deal. Of course they are going to try and trade him.

I think if you view him as blocking Kon (he's not) then you would feel trigger-happy about flipping him for weak value. Kon will be just fine developing off the bench.

[GoBobs]

You are not backing down from your assertion Hornets valued the 2nd round pick attached to Sexton more than Sexton himself, huh?

So if some team comes to you and offers you a second round pick for Sexton, you are trading Sexton for a 2nd round pick, because the 2nd round pick is the whole reason you added him in the first place.

If management were to flirt with that return, I would push back so hard against it, their heads would never stop spinning.

It won't be just for a 2nd, it will be for salary matching on another player and maybe a 2nd. Or it could be for salary matching in a much larger deal.

But if we could trade Sexton for pure cap space the front office would do that in a nanosecond. Sexton is a bad contract at 18 mil even on a one year deal. We got Dinwiddie, a better fit for us, for less than 4 mil.

Sexton is very likely to be gone by the end of the year one way or another, because he is on a one year deal. Of course they are going to try and trade him.

I think if you view him as blocking Kon (he's not) then you would feel trigger-happy about flipping him for weak value. Kon will be just fine developing off the bench.

I don't view it as blocking Kon. I view it as Sexton is an undersized sg best suited for a sixth man type of role. He is not worth the 18 mil of cap space he is currently taking up. We need to use that money to trade for a real difference maker or aquire more assets or let him expire so we can have cap space.

[MasterIchiro]

It won't be just for a 2nd, it will be for salary matching on another player and maybe a 2nd. Or it could be for salary matching in a much larger deal.

But if we could trade Sexton for pure cap space the front office would do that in a nanosecond. Sexton is a bad contract at 18 mil even on a one year deal. We got Dinwiddie, a better fit for us, for less than 4 mil.

Sexton is very likely to be gone by the end of the year one way or another, because he is on a one year deal. Of course they are going to try and trade him.

I think if you view him as blocking Kon (he's not) then you would feel trigger-happy about flipping him for weak value. Kon will be just fine developing off the bench.

I don't view it as blocking Kon. I view it as Sexton is an undersized sg best suited for a sixth man type of role. He is not worth the 18 mil of cap space he is currently taking up. We need to use that money to trade for a real difference maker or aquire more assets or let him expire so we can have cap space.

His role is secondary playmaker with the starters. Kon will need 3-4 years before he's reliable in that role.

None of the other starters outside LaMelo can run offense like Sexton. That's the role we brought him in to fill.

[MasterIchiro]

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One is Kyrie Irving's TS% last season.

The other is Sexton's last season.

Don't tell me Ainge couldn't find a better return than a negative one (Nurkic who cost 1 first to unload, plus 2nd round pick).

Want to talk defense? Uh, Kyrie.

Would you expect to charge a 1st for Kyrie if you were to make him available?

I just don't think Hornets fans appreciate Sexton enough right now.

[MasterIchiro]

.594
.593

One is Kyrie Irving's TS% last season.

The other is Sexton's last season.

Don't tell me Ainge couldn't find a better return than a negative one (Nurkic who cost 1 first to unload, plus 2nd round pick).

Want to talk defense? Uh, Kyrie.

Would you expect to charge a 1st for Kyrie if you were to make him available?

I just don't think Hornets fans appreciate Sexton enough right now.

I'd want Lively for him, F Gafford.

[MasterIchiro]

.594
.593

One is Kyrie Irving's TS% last season.

The other is Sexton's last season.

Don't tell me Ainge couldn't find a better return than a negative one (Nurkic who cost 1 first to unload, plus 2nd round pick).

Want to talk defense? Uh, Kyrie.

Would you expect to charge a 1st for Kyrie if you were to make him available?

I just don't think Hornets fans appreciate Sexton enough right now.

Donovan Mitchell .575 TS% last season.

Sexton is really efficient scoring for a guard who can run offense. He is not stuck behind the 3PT line like so many smaller guards. He's a bull.

Think of what the Cavs paid for Mitchell.