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Re: Fake Trade Thread #7 

Post#841 » by MasterIchiro » Fri Jul 25, 2025 5:19 pm

JustBuzzin wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:Hornets
Kuminga (27.3 mil)- PF
I. Stewart - C

Pistons
Claxton
Bridges

Warriors
Green (1/2 of 27.3 mil)
2029 Mark 1st via CLT

Nets
T. Harris
2026 Pistons 1st unprotected
2026 Nurk 1st via CLT

Kuminga takes the Miles budget line
Stewart takes the Green budget line

Sign me up

I love me some Beef Stew!


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Re: Fake Trade Thread #7 

Post#842 » by MasterIchiro » Fri Jul 25, 2025 5:21 pm

Melo / Mann
Sexton / Kon
Miller / McNeeley
Kuminga / G. Williams
I. Stewart / Moussa

Feels pretty rugged and intense.

Young and hungry.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #7 

Post#843 » by Bassman » Fri Jul 25, 2025 6:22 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:Melo / Mann
Sexton / Kon
Miller / McNeeley
Kuminga / G. Williams
I. Stewart / Moussa

Feels pretty rugged and intense.

Young and hungry.


Don’t see those teams doing that but it could be interesting. Not convinced Stewart is a significantly better option as primary center but he could blossom in a larger role. His rebounding rate is worrisome.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #7 

Post#844 » by JustBuzzin » Fri Jul 25, 2025 6:38 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:
JustBuzzin wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:Hornets
Kuminga (27.3 mil)- PF
I. Stewart - C

Pistons
Claxton
Bridges

Warriors
Green (1/2 of 27.3 mil)
2029 Mark 1st via CLT

Nets
T. Harris
2026 Pistons 1st unprotected
2026 Nurk 1st via CLT

Kuminga takes the Miles budget line
Stewart takes the Green budget line

Sign me up

I love me some Beef Stew!


Hornets DNA?

No, but we need a tough guy someone who will defend our stars.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #7 

Post#845 » by MasterIchiro » Fri Jul 25, 2025 7:47 pm

Bassman wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:Melo / Mann
Sexton / Kon
Miller / McNeeley
Kuminga / G. Williams
I. Stewart / Moussa

Feels pretty rugged and intense.

Young and hungry.


Don’t see those teams doing that but it could be interesting. Not convinced Stewart is a significantly better option as primary center but he could blossom in a larger role. His rebounding rate is worrisome.


Warriors kind of have to go along for the ride if the Hornets bid 27.3 million for Kuminga. GS couldn't threaten to match. A late/protected 1st still helps the Warriors. Other teams may offer more assets but not necessarily be willing to sign him near that figure. He decides.

The Nets get two firsts in a strong draft for Claxton (one unprotected) plus an expiring contract (Harris) to further their tank for their own pick in the 2026 draft, clear more cap for next offseason for a better free agent class in advance of surrendering their 1st to the Rockets unprotected (swap 2027).

The Pistons use just one 1st to upgrade C1 with Claxton, trading Stewart (their C2) and upgrading C2 (Stewart to Duren).

They also essentially swap Harris (1 year) for a younger version of him in Miles, gaining an extra year of control.

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Ivey / Levert
Ausar / D. Robinson/ Holland
Miles / Reed
Claxton / Duren
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #7 

Post#846 » by Diop » Sat Jul 26, 2025 4:23 am

JustBuzzin wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:
JustBuzzin wrote:Sign me up

I love me some Beef Stew!


Hornets DNA?

No, but we need a tough guy someone who will defend our stars.

Who knows he might? He's definitely a competitor
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #7 

Post#847 » by MasterIchiro » Sun Jul 27, 2025 3:33 pm

Hornets
Z. Collins (1 yr)

Grizzlies
J. Green (2 yrs)
Connaughton (1 yr)

Bulls
KCP (2 yrs)
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #7 

Post#848 » by MasterIchiro » Mon Jul 28, 2025 10:17 pm

Green + Grant + Connaughton + NSJ works for J. Grant + RWIII.

Bad money across the board on both ends.

But the Hornets bolster the front court without surrendering draft capital nor any piece of future significance.

But we upgrade 2 positions while preserving all draft capital which is hard to do and has something to do with J. Grant's terrible contract. But Green + G Williams cover 2 of the 3 years on that deal. And Pat + NSJ are on the outside looking in. They cover the cost of RWIII's expiring deal.

LaMelo / Tre / Dinwiddie
Sexton / Kon / Sion
Miller / Liam
Miles / J. Grant / Salaün
RWIII / Diabaté / Plumlee / Kalkbrenner
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #7 

Post#849 » by HornetJail » Mon Jul 28, 2025 10:31 pm

Jerami Grant absolutely tanked last season. I'd leave his 3 years $103M contract alone
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #7 

Post#850 » by MasterIchiro » Mon Jul 28, 2025 10:32 pm

HornetJail wrote:Jerami Grant absolutely tanked last season. I'd leave his 3 years $103M contract alone


I hate the contract, but consider Green and G. Williams pointless. They cancel 2 of those 3 years. And J. Grant is better on both ends.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #7 

Post#851 » by yosemiteben » Mon Jul 28, 2025 11:14 pm

Curious as to the thought process of attributing zero value to Grant Williams.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #7 

Post#852 » by MasterIchiro » Mon Jul 28, 2025 11:18 pm

yosemiteben wrote:Curious as to the thought process of attributing zero value to Grant Williams.


Which team/GM would give the Hornets positive value for that contract given the ACL and his inactive status to January?

Even before the injury, did Grant have positive value as a bench piece on his contract?
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #7 

Post#853 » by yosemiteben » Mon Jul 28, 2025 11:20 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:Curious as to the thought process of attributing zero value to Grant Williams.


Which team/GM would give the Hornets positive value for that contract given the ACL and his inactive status to January?

Even before the injury, did Grant have positive value as a bench piece on his contract?

I'm not super interested in other teams, question was more why would we not value him / view him as pointless?

Injury recovery is definitely a risk but still think he could play a significant role for us when he's healthy.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #7 

Post#854 » by fatlever » Tue Jul 29, 2025 3:54 am

yosemiteben wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:Curious as to the thought process of attributing zero value to Grant Williams.


Which team/GM would give the Hornets positive value for that contract given the ACL and his inactive status to January?

Even before the injury, did Grant have positive value as a bench piece on his contract?

I'm not super interested in other teams, question was more why would we not value him / view him as pointless?

Injury recovery is definitely a risk but still think he could play a significant role for us when he's healthy.


im pretty sure our front office views him as a big positive. unless his kness is cooked, we arent tossing him in a deal as filler.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #7 

Post#855 » by GoBobs » Tue Jul 29, 2025 11:47 am

how about Sexton and a late first for Cam Thomas, signed for 3 years 64 mil declining contract with a third year player option (22,22,20)?

or Sexton and Salaun + late pick for Giddy (29,29,28,26)?
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #7 

Post#856 » by MasterIchiro » Tue Jul 29, 2025 3:57 pm

Clears 2 roster spots

Miles + Green + Grant for Lauri.

Hornets would not have to buy out Pat Connaughton.

Plus, Hornets open a roster spot for Precious Achiuwa as a PF and small-ball center in place of Grant Williams.

LaMelo / Mann / Dinwiddie
Sexton / Kon / Sion
Miller / Liam / Connaughton
Lauri / Achiuwa / Salaün
Diabaté / Achiuwa / Plumlee / Kalkbrenner

I just figure Achiuwa is comparable to Beef Stew and RWIII but Hornets wouldn't have to send picks.

The picks go to Utah for Lauri and Hornets clear a spot for a stronger center rotation with Achiuwa.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #7 

Post#857 » by Rich4114 » Tue Jul 29, 2025 6:46 pm

HornetJail wrote:Jerami Grant absolutely tanked last season. I'd leave his 3 years $103M contract alone


But we could have Horace Grant's nephew or whatever, DJ Rodman and MJ all part of the Hornets. Just have to trade for Pippen Jr. and figure out if Toni Kukoc has any offspring.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #7 

Post#858 » by fatlever » Tue Jul 29, 2025 6:52 pm

Rich4114 wrote:
HornetJail wrote:Jerami Grant absolutely tanked last season. I'd leave his 3 years $103M contract alone


But we could have Horace Grant's nephew or whatever, DJ Rodman and MJ all part of the Hornets. Just have to trade for Pippen Jr. and figure out if Toni Kukoc has any offspring.


we missed out on the good ron harper kid.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #7 

Post#859 » by Diop » Tue Jul 29, 2025 11:41 pm

Luc Longleys daughter was looking like an upcoming great baller as a teenager but stopped playing.

Can try bringing her out of retirement
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #7 

Post#860 » by MasterIchiro » Yesterday 12:47 pm

Simpler consolidation move that saves the Hornets from having to buy out Connaughton, while opening up a roster spot for a free agent:

Green + Grant + Connaughton + Nurk 1st (projects 20-25 in the 2026 draft) for MPJ.

The open roster spot can be used to sign Al Horford or Precious Achiuwa. Either big can flex between the 4, and 5.

Both can serve to deepen the investment in Moussa. Horford is smart, and would make a great mentor to Diabaté. Like Moussa, Achiuwa plays with relentless motor and energy.

This is my solution for dealing with inflated prices on centers. Hornets are leveraging the MLE here. MPJ adds legit spacing/shooting far superior to that provided by Green or Grant.
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