New 82 games stat (with special Fluffer addition!)

[fluffernutter]

http://82games.com/CSORT11.HTM

Clutch play.

Felton's line is interesting. Incredibly bad FG% (21.2%) and 3pt% (25%), but more free throw attempts (29) than anyone else on the list, including LBJ and Kobe, by a significant amount. He's shooting over 80% during "clutch" time for FT's. Good for 29th in the NBA in overall "points scored during clutch time regardless of number of games played."

Very surprising result. I never thought Felton would draw fouls more often than James - not in a million years. He's actually over 3 more than the closest competitor. Odd. And James played 32 qualifying games, most on the list.

[fatlever]

good stuff.

felton also leads the team in clutch steals.

hats off to mcinnis who has 0 TOs in 30 minutes of clutch play. felton was only 4th on the team in most TOs which is also impressive due to the amount of time he has the ball in the last 5 minutes and the amount of times he is asked to make a play with the ball at the end. wallace was first in most TOs, followed by okafor then richardson.

[W_HAMILTON]

A few weeks late on this one...

As it was already debated before, it's not that surprising, when you realize that Felton is usually the only guy on the court who can be counted on to hit FTs in the closing minutes of the game.

Realizing this, it's not a surprise that most of Felton's highest FT total games came during wins. For example:

Number of FTs taken in the final two minutes:

Milwaukee (win): 8

Portland (win): 4

Washington (loss): 4 in the 4th, 2 in OT

Cleveland (win): 10 (I'm sure everyone remembers that game, where the final 2 minutes lasted about 25 minutes

Utah (win): 4

I know what you, and the other person that brought up this stat a few weeks ago are wanting it to correlate to, but unfortunately it doesn't work out that way. If he was so good at drawing fouls, he would have averaged more than the 2 FTs/game he averaged from the start of 2008 up until our last Detroit game (almost 1.5 months). That includes a good portion of our rough stretch, where we didn't win much, which meant teams weren't fouling at the end of games much, which means there weren't many FTs to be had at the end of games.

I thought it was interesting that he moved up since I last discussed this, but then I realized how they judge the criteria, so it wasn't him moving up as much as it was others moving down. It counts the final five minutes of a close game (within 5 points), and we haven't had many of those in the past few weeks.

[Walt Cronkite]

Impressive that Felton's clutch +/- ranks only under Damon Jones, Devin Harris, Boobs Gibson, Steven Blake, Baron Davis, Carlos Arroyo, Beno Udrih, Sam Cassell, John Salmons, Monta Ellis,Jeff McInnis, Chris Paul, Leandro Barbosa, Jannero Pargo, Allen Iverson, Steve Nash, Jason Kidd, Jose Calderon, Tony Parker, Lou Williams and Chauncey Billups


Wait a minute...

[Paydro70]

Hamilton is right... if you look at all the rest of the high "clutch" FTA guys, they're all the best FT shooters on their team:
Maggette, James, Yao, Redd, Wade, Martin, Butler, Ginobili, Durant, Nowitzki.

All this is measuring is how likely someone is to be passed the inbounds to be intentionally fouled. Also, in Ray's top 16 FTA games, we won 10. While this could mean that when Ray gets to the rim/draws fouls we win games, it seems more likely to me that it's close games where he gets the intentional fouls.

That's not to say all of Ray's great FTA games were intentional fouls, or that there weren't some legitimate heroics. Against Utah at home, for instance, Felton hit 8 free throws in the last 5 minutes, all while we were losing.

[Rich4114]

It's too easy to look too much into these stats. All this means is two things. He's our most reliable FT option (not saying much) and he penetrates into the paint at the end of games.

He actually gets hacked and takes contact constantly but only gets respect from certain officials. It'd be interesting to see his FT's per game based on ref team.

There's two guys on this team I want to have the ball in their hands at the end of games or in crunch time, and it's Felton and Richardson. I don't get why we never play those two off of eachother when we need scores and instead try the Wallace isolation stuff which I've yet to see work.

We also used to have that nice pick and roll play with Okafor to get him easy dunks off the Felton penetration, but last time I saw that, Bernie was the coach.

Every single thing we talk about comes back to coaching. We have no game plan, we have no plays, offensively we are one of the worst in the NBA, and defensively I don't think another team gives up as many wide open shots as we do.

At least defensively we'd be better off with Bernie because we could get by just playing hard most of the time.

[W_HAMILTON]

It's too easy to look too much into these stats. All this means is two things. He's our most reliable FT option (not saying much) and he penetrates into the paint at the end of games.

If it meant the latter, he would have averaged more than 2 FTs/game for almost a 1.5 month span.

Sometimes he penetrates at the end of games, but not that often, and certainly not enough to use that stat to try and make it sound like he constantly penetrates in the clutch, because he doesn't.

The reason for his high number of FT attempts in the "clutch," is due to him being our main FT shooter if the game is close and teams are intentionally fouling us, not because he penetrates so much.

[Rich4114]

I'm not ignoring the fact that in games where we have a lead and the other team enters foul mode, he's usually our Ft shooter. But that doesn't exactly happen all that often if you know what I mean.

In games where it's close late in the 4th he take it to the rim and that usually opens up things for everyone else. Even when he doesn't convert it still brings the other teams bigs out of position and allows Okafor and Wallace the offensive rebound opportunities.

All in all, I was actually agreeing with you that this stat doesn't mean as much as it seems. I know, I know, I'm supposed to disagree with you on everything.

[W_HAMILTON]

You're right, that doesn't happen often lately, which is why he went almost 1.5 months averaging 2 FTs/game.

If he was penetrating so much during the game, he would have averaged more than 2 FTs/game for almost a month and a half.

He doesn't penetrate much anymore, which is a shame considering it's about the only time he could pass for a decent PG. He'll penetrate every now and then, and once in a blue moon you'll see him penetrate most of the game. But those times are few and far between, and again, the reason why his FT attempts are so high in the closing minutes of a close game is because, for a good portion of the season, he was the player we targeted to get intentionally fouled if we had the lead.

[floppymoose]

Your numbers are wrong. You divided the points by the number of games. But the points were already divided by games. The points were shown on a "Production per 48 Minutes of Clutch Time" scale. See the top of the chart.

Hence, James really is scoring more per clutch opportunity than Pargo.

Which is really *really* not a surprise.

[fluffernutter]

Your numbers are wrong. You divided the points by the number of games. But the points were already divided by games. The points were shown on a "Production per 48 Minutes of Clutch Time" scale. See the top of the chart.

Hence, James really is scoring more per clutch opportunity than Pargo.

Which is really *really* not a surprise.

Yes I realized that sometime yesterday and I was just too lazy to correct it. The numbers were already adjusted...to do it twice is wrong! Thanks.