Few comments:
1) I overstated the money for Duhon. Probably get him pretty cheap. Just think he is the perfect backup.
2) Obviously I would not let Okafor walk during an option year. But I certainly wouldnt overpay him. He has become unremarkable and is not the player we thought he could be.
3) It would be illogical to cut May in the manner that I brought up, but I would do it in a second if I was running this team. If for no other reason than to save money on the post game spread and per diem.
The biggest move is the firing of Vincent. He is a wreck. Watching him live is a joke. I rather have Ford finish the year (when he isnt in the drunk tank) than to have Vincent for another second.
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Going by the rules at the beginning of this thread (which I'd totally forgotten about thus far, sorry about that) I'd swap J-Rich/May for 4 points which would then be used on a top three pick. In my opinion Beasley, Mayo, and Rose are all better for us long-term then J-Rich and I have zero confidence in May to ever contribute anything so if we could somehow get that much for him I'd laugh hysterically as soon as I got off the phone with the other GM. It would be the equivalent of trading 8+13 for #3 (at worst) AND we save cap space, great value all around. I wouldn't mind dumping Vincent under those rules either, but I'd be unwilling to unload the players necessary to get 3 points.
Unfortunately the game, as fun as it is, would probably never fly in real life. If I could get a pick higher then 8 for J-Rich, or perhaps around 10 with an additional pick expected to be in the teens the next year, I'd do that. We'd need to take back a contract with equal or less years too. If May has 1st round value I'd swap him, but I doubt he does so it's probably better we hold onto him and pray he plays next year. If he plays well in the first month or two as soon as his value rose to 1st round territory I'd move him, once again based entirely on the fact I have zero confidence in May's ability to be healthy.
Everyone else is either worth keeping (Mek, Crash), or we'd get back less than they'd potentially give us down the road (Felton, Ammo), or are not going to interest anyone (McInnis, Hollins, Davidson).
Moving J-Rich/May for picks could get us anywhere from 4-5 1st Rd. selections (including the 2 we started with) in the next two drafts, I'd target 2009 myself simply because I've heard it's loaded. Plus the player whose contract we took to make up for J-Rich would come off the books by the time our 08-09 rooks made it to pay day. Our lack of cap space hurts a lot less when we won't be needing it for another three years.
Obviously that's sort of a pie in the sky plan, it hinges on getting fair trade value for J-Rich and above-average for May. No doubt we'd lose the fan base because they'd accuse Johnson of being cheap and/or not committed to winning. But if we could swing it we'd be in Portland's position by 2010, one of the youngest teams in the league with half our roster (at least) improving and tradeable assets in the form of youngsters with duplicate skill sets. The success or failure of this plan would rest on which players we picked, we can only afford two busts at most or we're not much better off. I really like all the guys on our team, even McInnis believe it or not, because they seem to be likable folks but the best case scenario for this squad is probably 5th best in the East. Which means something like 10th in the league. That's unacceptable. If you build a team you build to win championships, if you find your current squad can't do that you try again that would be my philosophy here.
Hopefully you guys don't mind long-winded posts, I tend to do that sometimes...
Unfortunately the game, as fun as it is, would probably never fly in real life. If I could get a pick higher then 8 for J-Rich, or perhaps around 10 with an additional pick expected to be in the teens the next year, I'd do that. We'd need to take back a contract with equal or less years too. If May has 1st round value I'd swap him, but I doubt he does so it's probably better we hold onto him and pray he plays next year. If he plays well in the first month or two as soon as his value rose to 1st round territory I'd move him, once again based entirely on the fact I have zero confidence in May's ability to be healthy.
Everyone else is either worth keeping (Mek, Crash), or we'd get back less than they'd potentially give us down the road (Felton, Ammo), or are not going to interest anyone (McInnis, Hollins, Davidson).
Moving J-Rich/May for picks could get us anywhere from 4-5 1st Rd. selections (including the 2 we started with) in the next two drafts, I'd target 2009 myself simply because I've heard it's loaded. Plus the player whose contract we took to make up for J-Rich would come off the books by the time our 08-09 rooks made it to pay day. Our lack of cap space hurts a lot less when we won't be needing it for another three years.
Obviously that's sort of a pie in the sky plan, it hinges on getting fair trade value for J-Rich and above-average for May. No doubt we'd lose the fan base because they'd accuse Johnson of being cheap and/or not committed to winning. But if we could swing it we'd be in Portland's position by 2010, one of the youngest teams in the league with half our roster (at least) improving and tradeable assets in the form of youngsters with duplicate skill sets. The success or failure of this plan would rest on which players we picked, we can only afford two busts at most or we're not much better off. I really like all the guys on our team, even McInnis believe it or not, because they seem to be likable folks but the best case scenario for this squad is probably 5th best in the East. Which means something like 10th in the league. That's unacceptable. If you build a team you build to win championships, if you find your current squad can't do that you try again that would be my philosophy here.
Hopefully you guys don't mind long-winded posts, I tend to do that sometimes...
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I like some of the things you all are saying..but when it comes to Okafor..we HAVE to get a solid OFFENSIVE big man aside him. I love his 10-12 ppg..but he's NEVER going to be a 20 ppg player. He's awesome at defense and a great shot blocker, intimidating figure. However, I've heard that he works on his shot and his offensive game hours upon hours upon hours...his hands are horrible. How many times do you see the ball kicked inside (when it actually DOES get kicked inside) only to have him fumble it around? His shot outside of 6-8 feet (and that's generous) is TERRIBLE!!!!! I do believe they'll offer him the same money they offered him at the beginning of the season. I do like Okafor..but when you say he's a staple for the next DECADE..I don't know if I can handle a slightly better Ben Wallace without getting a stud scorer to go along with him inside.
As for stockpiling picks...GREAT idea..however, when you have a front office like we do..that (in my opinion) could have gotten a draft pick from Detroit for TWO, not one..but TWO expiring contracts AND taking one of the 10 worst contracts in the NBA (according to espn) off their hands..and we don't even ASK for a draft pick. I mean come on, the deal went down in less than 15 minutes. ...There's something wrong when that happens. There's no way in my mind we shouldn't have gotten a draft pick out of that deal.
On another note..I work (as a second job) at the Cheesecake Factory (Haven't seen Sean May in in awhile..haha)..well, Sam Vincent Frequents the resturant a lot. My Finace and I talk to him ALL THE TIME. First of all, i'm the first person to admit that he HAS to go if things don't change and I'm not a huge fan of his coaching. Second, he's such a nice guy. He asked if we were at the last game..told him yes, he said..don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing. He apologized for the way they've been playing. I honestly felt really bad for the guy..he was sitting there by himself..looking like his dog AND his mother had just died in the same day (it was also the day that Primoz ripped him..I didn't have the guts to ask him about it). Anyways, like I said..I, along with a lot of other people here want him gone..but the look on his face said it all...he's struggling, the teams struggling, and he definitely knows it.
Sorry if I was off topic for a bit there. ...Great thread though..enjoy reading the thoughts.
As for stockpiling picks...GREAT idea..however, when you have a front office like we do..that (in my opinion) could have gotten a draft pick from Detroit for TWO, not one..but TWO expiring contracts AND taking one of the 10 worst contracts in the NBA (according to espn) off their hands..and we don't even ASK for a draft pick. I mean come on, the deal went down in less than 15 minutes. ...There's something wrong when that happens. There's no way in my mind we shouldn't have gotten a draft pick out of that deal.
On another note..I work (as a second job) at the Cheesecake Factory (Haven't seen Sean May in in awhile..haha)..well, Sam Vincent Frequents the resturant a lot. My Finace and I talk to him ALL THE TIME. First of all, i'm the first person to admit that he HAS to go if things don't change and I'm not a huge fan of his coaching. Second, he's such a nice guy. He asked if we were at the last game..told him yes, he said..don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing. He apologized for the way they've been playing. I honestly felt really bad for the guy..he was sitting there by himself..looking like his dog AND his mother had just died in the same day (it was also the day that Primoz ripped him..I didn't have the guts to ask him about it). Anyways, like I said..I, along with a lot of other people here want him gone..but the look on his face said it all...he's struggling, the teams struggling, and he definitely knows it.
Sorry if I was off topic for a bit there. ...Great thread though..enjoy reading the thoughts.
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I agree we need an offensive big man to go with Okafor, he's just half the puzzle not the whole thing. If we ship him off for an offensive-minded big, let's just use the hypothetical system of this thread and say Mek for Beasley, we'd have the exact opposite problem we have now. A big who can put up 20+ but can't stop anyone. Moving one half to get the other is a lateral move, we need to get an offensive big while retaining Mek. Unless we can somehow get both by trading him, which would be an incredible steal. I completely agree that Detroit should have sent us at least a 2nd rounder or the right to swaps picks at some point.
I definitely feel bad for Sam after reading your post. I rip on the guy all the time but if he is honestly trying it's a shame. He got his dream job and he's not good at it, I'd feel awful in that situation too.
From what I've seen Bayless=Felton with a better jumper. Not a bad thing but we're still going to have the same discussions about whether it would be better to have a traditional PG who just ran the offense. Mayo will work any place where they hand him the keys and say "go". USC is a terrible system for him, all the scouts agree, the only disagreement is how much it's stunting him. If you can call 20 PPG stunted. They let him take lots of shots but they don't run plays that get him good shots, it's usually just Floyd running the regular offense and letting OJ throw it up at the end if he pleases which isn't productive. The thing that's nice about Mayo is he's almost guaranteed to be a good player in the league, a 20PPG guy. The only question is whether he's a Kobe/Wade superstar guy or a Carter/JJohnson B-list star. In the worst case scenario he still has great trade value, that's why I'd take him.
I definitely feel bad for Sam after reading your post. I rip on the guy all the time but if he is honestly trying it's a shame. He got his dream job and he's not good at it, I'd feel awful in that situation too.
From what I've seen Bayless=Felton with a better jumper. Not a bad thing but we're still going to have the same discussions about whether it would be better to have a traditional PG who just ran the offense. Mayo will work any place where they hand him the keys and say "go". USC is a terrible system for him, all the scouts agree, the only disagreement is how much it's stunting him. If you can call 20 PPG stunted. They let him take lots of shots but they don't run plays that get him good shots, it's usually just Floyd running the regular offense and letting OJ throw it up at the end if he pleases which isn't productive. The thing that's nice about Mayo is he's almost guaranteed to be a good player in the league, a 20PPG guy. The only question is whether he's a Kobe/Wade superstar guy or a Carter/JJohnson B-list star. In the worst case scenario he still has great trade value, that's why I'd take him.
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regarding sam.... ace, you bring up a good point. i heard an interview with sam last night before the game and he was asked about coaching this year and he mentioned that he cant get down on himself because this is his dream job and no matter how tough it has been this year its what he wanted. i have no doubt that sam is trying his hardest and is a great guy and possible is a great basketball mind. i think the reality of the situation is that sam just wasnt quite ready to be a head coach. he needed more time as an assistant. the real blame goes to mj for bringing sam into a situation when he was not ready. if sam get fired this summer i hope he gets another shot down the road to be a head coach.