quick, agile power forward targets

waverider · Post #61 » by **waverider** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 1:39 pm

Larry Brown liked Channing Frye in NYC, if he becomes your coach then maybe POR sends Frye and the #13 for your pick and filler?

Post #62 » by **BigSlam** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 2:12 pm

waverider wrote:Larry Brown liked Channing Frye in NYC, if he becomes your coach then maybe POR sends Frye and the #13 for your pick and filler?

So long as we were slotted to pick at #8 or #9, I would be down with that.

NaplesSunsFan · Post #63 » by **NaplesSunsFan** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 5:12 pm

Paydro70 wrote:I'm on board for Randolph, obviously, because he's exactly what this team needs.

Some of those free agents are decent though, I'd say Gomes, Landry, and Turiaf would all do the job we need.

Turiaf is a real hard worker. With everything he's been through while starting his career in LA, I can just see him giving them a big hometown discount.

waverider · Post #64 » by **waverider** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 6:43 pm

BigSlam wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

So long as we were slotted to pick at #8 or #9, I would be down with that.

The way I might see it possibly happening is if Pritchard is targeting Westbrook and he is worried he won't fall to POR at #13, POR has a lot of possibilities via trade to upgrade the PG spot as well - but this trade "might" be viable. Glad you think its "fair".

Ballings7 · Post #65 » by **Ballings7** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 8:57 am

I love Odom generally, but his jumpshot lacking is a problem...the spacing wouldn't be good

Villanueva maybe, Emeka would complement him being more of a wing big foward, and is skilled offensively, can block shots, get some boards. Positional defense it seems like he is not good at and doesn't have enough size/quickness.

Overall, I just don't like Villanueva.

How about getting Joe Smith as a short-term solution? His jumper is good, pretty good rebounder, smart, solid defender. Has an effective post-game. Still agile. Lots of experience, good veteran guy.

Paul Millsap would be pretty ideal... an underrated offensive player (mid-range j, slashing, posting, passing), good rebounder, good defender, good mobility. Too bad Utah's not going to deal him.

may191988 · Post #66 » by **may191988** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 10:14 am

i kinda like the concept of an odom for crash trade. fits for both teams and could happen. HOWEVER, u guys r asking for way too much for crash. first of all crash is not necessarily a better player than odom. we can all go ahead and disagree but personally getting to see what odom does a nightly basis i value him so much because he literally presents a matchup that no other player in the league can. having him immediately changes the game because hes a truly unique weapon that no team has an answer for. plus hes really starting to show how good he can be when hes assertive. and its not just the fact that gasol is there odom has been playin with an incredible passion i hadnt seen in years past. so anyways back on topic... i agree the lakers would have to give up a little more than odom to get crash but not so much, certainly not turiaf and a first. lets keep in mind crash is comin off a 4th concussion and the lakers cant even trade their 1st thanx to memphis. turiaf also is certainly not available as just a throw in hes extremely valuable as hes part of the spirit of this team. ultimately it would be extremely hard to give up odom cause hes bonded so well with the rest of the guys but this is the deal i would propose:

odom+ariza for crash and a 2nd round pick

id be very comfortable in making that trade and i think that would help u guys tremendously as well.

Post #67 » by **Paydro70** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 4:50 pm

Ballings... it's a little strange for you to say that you don't think Odom has a good enough jumper, yet Paul Millsap does. Odom is very versatile, and his jump shot, while not deadly, is reliable enough to do what we would like from a PF.

Odom is fairly comparable to Crash... he doesn't shoulder anywhere near as much of the load on offense, so it's hard to know if he could replace Crash's points, but he does contribute all the other stuff, and he's no worse off from an injury standpoint.

This is his most efficient year scoring by far, but also the year with by far the lowest usage rate. How would he react going from third/fourth option to clear second?

Ballings7 · Post #68 » by **Ballings7** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 7:30 pm

Paydro70 wrote:Ballings... it's a little strange for you to say that you don't think Odom has a good enough jumper, yet Paul Millsap does. Odom is very versatile, and his jump shot, while not deadly, is reliable enough to do what we would like from a PF.

No it's not - because I've seen a significant amount of both players, and Millsap's jumpshot is better. He shoots it coming off screens, too.

Millsap's jumpshot is a main part of his offensive game. Millsap's jumpshot is reliable, Odom's is not. I've seen Millsap play a lot since his rookie year (more like 1/2 year).

I don't think somebody's jumpshot has to be "deadly" for us at PF, but Odom's is far from deadly. Millsap's jumper isn't "deadly" either, but Odom's jumper is not as good as Paul Millsap's. Odom's jumpshot is the weak part of his game, and is a legitimate weakness.

I see Paul Millsap make jumpshots on a regular basis, I don't see that from Odom.

Post #69 » by **Paydro70** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 9:03 pm

33% of Odom's shots are jumpers, 40% of Millsap's are... but this is Odom's least jumpshot-dependent season of his career. Last year 55% of his shots were jumpers, the year before 49%, 48% before that.

What's more, Odom shot better than Millsap from midrange this year, and his 3pt shots, despite being career low, were still more efficient than Millsap's 2pters. Plus fewer of Odom's are assisted, and he shot better in all of them (esp. once you account for 3's).

So no... Millsap's jump shot isn't a more important part of his offensive game, nor is it more reliable. I like Millsap, and I think he'd be a great fit, but his jump shot isn't a reason to prefer him to Odom.