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Post#61 » by W_HAMILTON » Thu May 29, 2008 10:45 pm

fatlever wrote:just be careful. this isnt fantasy basketball and making trades - especially at point guard, especially a while liked player, especially someone who has been with the team for a while - could potentially lead to chemistry issues that negate the added talent. of course it could also spark the team as well, but you never really know until you mix it all up.


What's the worst that happens? We regress three games instead of one? We're the worst team in the league offensively after six weeks, instead of being one of the worst three? Jeff McInnis comes back and takes Jack's place after six weeks instead of eight weeks?

If Felton set the bar higher than he has, sure, your point might be valid. Of course, if he did that, this might not be a discussion anyway. But he hasn't, and that's why it is. I'm not worried about us being worse off without Felton, considering we ain't been that damn well off with him.
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Post#62 » by amcoolio » Fri May 30, 2008 2:56 am

...And there is no upside. So you are basically wanting to worsen our team just to get rid of Felton, who has one more year before we even have to offer him a contract. I don't get it.
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Post#63 » by W_HAMILTON » Fri May 30, 2008 3:17 am

Adding three rotation players and possibly two starters for one average, disappointing PG would not worsen this team.

I wouldn't support a deal if I thought it would make our team worse.

This deal would not make our team worse.

Felton does not run this team well enough to make up for all that talent that we'd be getting back. Hell, that's his PROBLEM. It's pretty comical to see that his biggest weakness is being used as an excuse NOT to do this deal.
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Post#64 » by amcoolio » Fri May 30, 2008 4:10 am

What two starters?

Jack and Frye don't deserve to start for the Heat.

At best, you are trading one starter at a hard-to-fill position for the #13 pick. And you said you hated picks in that range.

Still don't get it.
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Post#65 » by W_HAMILTON » Fri May 30, 2008 1:39 pm

We don't even have a PF at the moment, yet Frye wouldn't start for us? Sure, that makes sense.

And I "hate" picks in that range because we have made some awful decisions on draft night, and Felton is one of those. So, why wouldn't I trade him for at least three decent players?

As I said, you could turn around and trade #9/#13 for a PG much better than Felton, or trade up and draft a prospect that will most likely be much better than Felton, or trade one pick + one of those players for a PG that would better than Felton.

Either way, we'd be in a better position we are in now, which is why 70%+ of people said we'd be getting the better end of this deal.
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Post#66 » by nolimit16 » Fri May 30, 2008 6:00 pm

W_HAMILTON wrote:We don't even have a PF at the moment, yet Frye wouldn't start for us? Sure, that makes sense.

And I "hate" picks in that range because we have made some awful decisions on draft night, and Felton is one of those. So, why wouldn't I trade him for at least three decent players?

As I said, you could turn around and trade #9/#13 for a PG much better than Felton, or trade up and draft a prospect that will most likely be much better than Felton, or trade one pick + one of those players for a PG that would better than Felton.

Either way, we'd be in a better position we are in now, which is why 70%+ of people said we'd be getting the better end of this deal.


I told myself never to respond to you anymore because you hate Felton. But which PG in this draft is better other than Rose? And hell even with Rose, he could turn into a Kwame Brown or Olwakandi bust.

Mayo would fit Bernie and knucklehead Vincent's plan of using a guy at SG and at PG. But Mayo is more of a 2 than a 1. Augustin and Westbrook seem more like a Delonte West type of player to me, which I would not want.

Brown should be smart enough to play Felton at the point 100% of the time he is on the floor. If he still plays the 2, then we know it hasnt been the coach deciding it and coming from somewhere higher up. Then we should trade him to a team who would use at the position he needs to play at, PG.
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Post#67 » by W_HAMILTON » Fri May 30, 2008 6:17 pm

nolimit16 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
I told myself never to respond to you anymore because you hate Felton. But which PG in this draft is better other than Rose? And hell even with Rose, he could turn into a Kwame Brown or Olwakandi bust.


Any of the top ranked PGs could come in, be given 38mpg, 13 shots, and the majority of the ball-handling and decision-making and put up 14/7. The top three could do that.

Felton hasn't set the bar very high. The only PGs that have consistently played worse than him in our franchise history have been PGs that are arguably not even NBA-caliber (Burleson, McInnis, then Boykins with a half-year off).

Brown should be smart enough to play Felton at the point 100% of the time he is on the floor.


I wouldn't be surprised if he does. But watch his minutes drop, because unlike Bernie and "knucklehead Vincent," Brown won't allow Felton to do his best Marbury impression at PG. He will bench his ass.

If he still plays the 2, then we know it hasnt been the coach deciding it and coming from somewhere higher up.


Yeah, because Larry Brown is known as a guy that bows down to pressure and does what he's told. Sounds like the excuses are already starting...

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