Bonnell says Bobcats should trade for Rasheed

[W_HAMILTON]

It doesn't matter. Even with all that factored in, you can still net a helluva lot more than trouble child Rasheed Wallace, who's on-the-court play isn't even that good anymore. And he's only getting older.

If it's about cap space, of which we are going to have very little of this offseason anyway, you could just trade Wallace for a pick like GSW did with Richardson, and we'd still end up better off.

There's almost no situation where acquiring Wallace would be a good deal for us, considering what we would have to give up to get him.

[fatlever]

i dont agree that we cant find a decent pf via FA or through a better trade. i'm not saying we can find a player of sheed's credentials, but one who can do what we need.

you can get a decent pf for the MLE the trick is just finding a few to target (mostly RFAs) and hope for the best. at worst i would bring back walter who can do some of the things sheed does (shoot, cover fast pfs).

[BigSlam]

If it's about cap space, of which we are going to have very little of this offseason anyway, you could just trade Wallace for a pick like GSW did with Richardson, and we'd still end up better off.

Except you'd have to hope that the stars align and a team with a decent pick also has $10 mil in open cap space to absord Crash's contract.

FWIW - I agree with you. I wouldn't trade Crash for Sheed. Too old, too grumpy, too little production.

In saying that, his style of play would be welcome and compliement EO50 as would his energy..................if only he was 10 years younger and not so crazy!!

[CarolinaCash]

WHamilton.......you're a bitter old man aren't you?

[spectre_]

It doesn't matter. Even with all that factored in, you can still net a helluva lot more than trouble child Rasheed Wallace, who's on-the-court play isn't even that good anymore. And he's only getting older.

I never said we couldn't...in fact I've come up with two other scenarios lately (Odom and Booz) that I'd prefer.

If it's about cap space, of which we are going to have very little of this offseason anyway, you could just trade Wallace for a pick like GSW did with Richardson, and we'd still end up better off.

Good luck finding the team who has cap space and the need. Something like 2 teams have the space this year and both have above average SFs.

There's almost no situation where acquiring Wallace would be a good deal for us, considering what we would have to give up to get him.

Well, thing is we don't have the contracts to make it work if we leave out the core players (assuming they won't take back Nazr)...so taking into account that last line I'd agree.

Unless of course they're willing to take on Harrington/Ammo/May/Hammer/future 1st...then I'd be down.

[spectre_]

i dont agree that we cant find a decent pf via FA or through a better trade. i'm not saying we can find a player of sheed's credentials, but one who can do what we need.

you can get a decent pf for the MLE the trick is just finding a few to target (mostly RFAs) and hope for the best. at worst i would bring back walter who can do some of the things sheed does (shoot, cover fast pfs).

If you didn't notice I intentially left the bolded part out.

Didn't you post a list of FAs earlier?

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=794877

None of those guys strikes me as being our "answer" to the PF slot, and a lot of those that are even interesting won't be available (ex. B Bass...no way in hell Dallas lets him leave).

[W_HAMILTON]

A one-year rental of an angry, over-the-hill player isn't exactly the "answer" to our PF slot, either.

It would take something like _tijo_ proposed, where we would be getting extra value back besides just Rasheed Wallace. And even then, I don't know that I would do it, seeing as how you're probably getting back two of the biggest causes of the Pistons taking games off and underachieving in the playoffs as of late.

As for the rest, it doesn't matter. There are probably tons of deals out there that would net us a helluva lot more value than G.Wallace for R.Wallace. Or you know what? How about not trade one of our best all-around players? How about that?

[W_HAMILTON]

WHamilton.......you're a bitter old man aren't you?

Yes, I'm like Rasheed Wallace. Except take a little off in age, and add a bit more bitter.

[GoBobcats]

No way i would give up G wallace and some for Mr out of control over the hill R wallace

[fatlever]

spectre - while i agree that the guys i listed might not be the answer at pf, i doubt sheed is our long term answer. at best he buys us a few years. i think we can find someone who can plug our pf hole until we are able to find a long term solution. i'm just not interested in trading our pick for a short term solution. my goal is not making the playoffs next season. my goal is building a long term winner and i'm just not convinced that sheed is the best route towards that goal.

[spectre_]

spectre - while i agree that the guys i listed might not be the answer at pf, i doubt sheed is our long term answer. at best he buys us a few years. i think we can find someone who can plug our pf hole until we are able to find a long term solution. i'm just not interested in trading our pick for a short term solution. my goal is not making the playoffs next season. my goal is building a long term winner and i'm just not convinced that sheed is the best route towards that goal.

Fats I haven't said Sheed was a long term solution nor did I even advocate trading for the guy! I did say swapping Crash & May (or better yet Harrington) "ain't all that bad"...which it's not. We might not find a 13.6 million expiring attractive but I guarantee you many teams would (think Kwame for Gasol). He also plays the PF better than any guys we have or any of those in that FA thread.

I don't think I ever said I'd trade the pick either (might have...too lazy to look back), but I probably would if it was nothing but fillers (which we don't have) added in...but as I've said repeatedly I'm not very high on anyone after 3 anyway.

The way things have been going out of all 15 teams in the lottery no doubt we'll pick the bust.

[CarolinaCash]

Sheed doesn't have to be the answer long term. He's a one year fix and you get rid of Gerald's contract. You guys are going to wish that someone would take his contract after Brown gets through with him this year. It's the perfect scenario in my opinion.......get a stud PF for one year and take his cap space the following year. Gwallace won't play ahead of Dudley and Morrison this year......watch and see.

Dean Smith still calls Rasheed the most talented player he's ever coached. I'm sure Larry Brown can get him for one year to be a beast without the extra riff raff.

[fatlever]

cash - outside of injuries, what makes you think crash wont be able to play for LB?

for the record... i'm not at all concerned about sheeds behavior problems.

spectre - dont worry. i got what you were getting at.

[CarolinaCash]

Wallace is a bad fundamental player. He's the anti-George Lynch, Eric Snow, Aaron Mckie, Jared Dudley, etc. Scoop Jackson broke it down well.....he said Larry Brown is all about playing the right way and playing within the system. He says Gerald Wallace needs chaos to be effective. Scoop said he's suprised Brown took the job with Wallace being one of the key players on the Bobcats but he thinks that Jordan/Higgins have promised to try to trade him.

Look back in Larry's interviews.....he said he can't wait to coach Felton, Okafor, Dudley, JRich, and even Adam Morrison. He left out Wallace.

I don't care if you guys like the Rasheed trade but Gerald Wallace won't be a Bobcat next year.

[W_HAMILTON]

I love how once Gerald Wallace developed into a scorer............



............everyone forgot about his all-around ability.

[BigSlam]

It's the perfect scenario in my opinion.......get a stud PF for one year and take his cap space the following year.

Who's the stud PF?

Sheed?

You know it's 2008 - right?

[fatlever]

can someone link those scoop jackson comments?