larry brown: bobcats new coach (merged)

Post #181 » by **fatlever** » Mon May 5, 2008 6:47 pm

back to that marbury, brown, coach k, paul thing.....

i seem to remember that paul and coach k got destroyed by Greece's pick and roll, like 30 times in a row. paul, at that time, seemed utterly lost trying to defend the pick and roll, as did some of the young bigs who were trying to help, and wade who also seemed lost. to say we lost that game because greece caught fire and shot 67% is misleading. we lost because greece figured out that we could not defend the pick and roll, so they ran the same play for 20 straight minutes, obviously scoring at will.

StutterStep · Post #182 » by **StutterStep** » Mon May 5, 2008 7:04 pm

^ But my point was that team Coach K had lost only ONE game during the FIBA world championships, while LB's team lost 4 games including PR (exhibition) and Italy.

Post #183 » by **Paydro70** » Mon May 5, 2008 7:12 pm

Italy didn't count, actually... we lost to Puerto Rico, Lithuania, and Argentina in the Olympics. The first two were in group stage, the latter the semi-final.

I don't think there can be any question that the 2004 team was poorly-put-together (in large part because guys like KG refused to be on it, Kobe was on trial for rape, and other people feigned injuries), and also had almost no practice before it was playing for keeps. On the other hand, it also was a team rife with conflict and was not put into the best situation to win by its coach.

Post #184 » by **fatlever** » Mon May 5, 2008 7:14 pm

the 2006 team was a much much better team than the 2004 team, imo. some of it may have been coaching, but i think most of it was player selection and better chemistry. the 2007 team was hands down better than both.

StutterStep · Post #185 » by **StutterStep** » Mon May 5, 2008 7:21 pm

Paydro70 wrote:Italy didn't count, actually... we lost to Puerto Rico, Lithuania, and Argentina in the Olympics. The first two were in group stage, the latter the semi-final.

I don't think there can be any question that the 2004 team was poorly-put-together (in large part because guys like KG refused to be on it, Kobe was on trial for rape, and other people feigned injuries), and also had almost no practice before it was playing for keeps. On the other hand, it also was a team rife with conflict and was not put into the best situation to win by its coach.

True, I got them mixed up. Thanks for the correction.

Post #186 » by **fatlever** » Mon May 5, 2008 7:21 pm

btw... i'm a carolina fan, but i think coach k is outstanding. i have no idea how he would do as an nba coach, but as far as college coaches go, i'd take him over anyone, not named dean smith and even that would be a damn near toss up.

Post #187 » by **Paydro70** » Mon May 5, 2008 7:50 pm

I think maybe he's declined in the past 5-10 years. He's no longer pumping out NBA prospects, he's screwing up in the tourney... but given his full body of work, especially in the early 90s, there's no question he's one of the greatest coaches in college basketball history.

He'd be a total loser in the NBA though, definitely the kind of coaching that doesn't translate well. I'm not sure the Olympics is the best place for it either, but if the players are buying in, I suppose it ought to work.

I think the point is still well-made that Coach K is working with the best talent, by far, in the international game, but did not win. That doesn't mean he won't win this summer, or that he isn't a great coach... but that it may be too soon to praise him.

chrbal · Post #188 » by **chrbal** » Mon May 5, 2008 8:49 pm

Coach K is a great college coach. But I don't know how well he would do with an NBA team. Coach K is bigger then anything around Duke, in the NBA its always the players...not the coach.

As far as his "decline". I think that is more the idea that the better players don't stay 3 or 4 years in college anymore. When he started that was very common. Then it became very common that the best ones would skip over college, and now they only "visit" for one year. Greg Oden and such help create buzz for their colleges, but its more like prep work for them as they prepare for the NBA.

This is what is screwing college coaches over like Coach K. That is why I think you see fewer big name NBA players come out of Duke.

UNCarquest · Post #189 » by **UNCarquest** » Mon May 5, 2008 9:53 pm

I'm sure y'all can guess what I think of Coach K

so I'll just say... Coach K couldn't get past the Sweet 16 with two college All-Americans and insists on playing a wing at center.

Anyway, Larry Brown certainly didn't do his best job, but given that he had been coaching the Pistons up through June and was given a completely new (and somewhat dysfunctional) roster and told to mold them in a month, I think he takes way too much heat for it. Especially from Knicks fans.

Rich4114 · Post #190 » by **Rich4114** » Tue May 6, 2008 3:36 pm

We will win with Larry Brown. Hell we would win with anyone but Sam Vincent. I'd still rather have D'antoni because he'd truly bring the type of style that suits this team - but Larry will bring defense and dicsipline. That's what wins championships when you get down to it. I just want him to have someone to hand the team off to when he's done to continue his system. I also hope they bring back the work hard no matter what system Bernie put in place. That system did enough to keep us in games because 90% of NBA players don't try hard enough 100% of the time. Combine that with outstanding X's and O's and you've got yourself a playoff team with our roster.

Post #191 » by **BigSlam** » Fri Jun 6, 2008 5:02 pm

This is an extension of what was mentioned in the other thread. A good read none the less.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3426278

Post #192 » by **Walt Cronkite** » Fri Jun 6, 2008 5:53 pm

yea, that was a great article. complementary video on Bobcats.com, too.

Post #193 » by **fatlever** » Sun Jun 8, 2008 3:12 pm

http://www.charlotte.com/bobcats/story/659601.html

"Brown has no qualms
teaching young Bobcats
Coach's anti-rookie reputation unfounded"

Post #194 » by **BigSlam** » Sun Jun 8, 2008 4:27 pm

I'm really glad that is in print. Hopefully it puts that issue to bed forever.

chabber · Post #195 » by **chabber** » Sun Jun 8, 2008 6:34 pm

I think most of that nonsense comes from him not playing Darko. Go figure.

fluffernutter · Post #196 » by **fluffernutter** » Sun Jun 8, 2008 7:56 pm

chabber wrote:I think most of that nonsense comes from him not playing Darko. Go figure.

Yeah, obviously he was holding Darko back...

doc.end · Post #197 » by **doc.end** » Sun Jun 8, 2008 9:28 pm

He better had to... http://youtube.com/watch?v=woWqSmichOo