The deal we need to make for Wilcox

Bassman · Post #1 » by **Bassman** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 1:39 pm

Oklahoma City is looking to trade Chris Wilcox. They want/need a good shooting guard to come off the bench and some type of reserve for the 4. Here is THE trade we should make:

Matt Carroll and Jamero Davidson for Chris Wilcox.

It works in Trade Checker: http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.ph ... id=4724848

Wilcox brings a quality starting-level PF to our squad. We get to keep GW, our core players (other than Carroll, who could be replaced with many FA options at less money).

If OKC would be willing, would you do this deal? I say GET IT DONE!

Post #2 » by **BigSlam** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 2:06 pm

I'm not a big fan of Wilcox.

If we did do this trade, who would back up the 2 spot?

Ammo?

Post #3 » by **Paydro70** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 3:00 pm

Wilcox is a pretty good player who can run and score, and he's not an abysmal defender. He's not much of a rebounder or jump shooter though, so I don't really think he's the best fit. He's a big expiring, though, and he's better than nothing. We're not giving up much to get him in this scenario, however, so I think it's value that I would take.

_tijo_ · Post #4 » by **_tijo_** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 3:21 pm

I probably do the deal if we can't get Boozer or another quality starting 4, because a starting 4 is better than a backup 2. But Slam makes a valid point, who would backup JRich? We would probably have to make another side deal, like a Hollins or even Dudley for shooter type deal (Morris Almond or someone like that).

Post #5 » by **BigSlam** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 3:32 pm

_tijo_ wrote:We would probably have to make another side deal, like a Hollins or even Dudley for shooter type deal (Morris Almond or someone like that).

Maybe Weaver would pan out and we could play him as our main back up 2?

Been beating this to death for a while now, but for old times sake......

I'd LOVE to get Josh Childress as our 6th man for the same sort of money we are paying Hammer (and only if we traded the Hammer)

SCBobcat · Post #6 » by **SCBobcat** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 3:39 pm

I actually like Wilcox and think he would be a pretty good get in that deal. In that scenario our backup 2 guards would be Ammo, Dudley, and (drumroll please) Felton in yet another two point guard lineup. However, something tells me Larry Brown will be a big Matt Carroll fan. I seem to remember NY really having an interest in Matt around the same time LB was coaching. I could be off by a year though. Anyways, as we have seen with our summer league team which has no real three point threat, that would leave our team with only two consistent three point threats in JRich and Ammo. I think we would need to sign one in that scenario and he obviosuly won't come from our summer league team.

Post #7 » by **fatlever** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 4:50 pm

finding back up shooting guards is like finding change in the sofa cusions.

ammo, felton, weaver nbdl scrub, FA for vet min, rookie FA, me etc...

i'm kinda interested in seeing what davidson can do though....

CarolinaCash · Post #8 » by **CarolinaCash** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 5:10 pm

I like the deal......would probably also miss Davidson more than Carroll.

chrbal · Post #9 » by **chrbal** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 5:47 pm

I like the deal, but I don't see why "The team formerly known as the Sonics" would. Chris is an expiring, Matt is no where near an expiring.

If they did this, I'd go after Delonte West of the Cavs. I just really think he has 6th man of the year written all over him.

August Us Seazr · Post #10 » by **August Us Seazr** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 7:32 pm

Nononononononononono! Did I just say NO?

Just a little before the draft, this guy was arrested in North Carolina for a weapons violation. I like the direction that this team is going in without getting troubled guys. He has to bring MUCH,much more to the table for me to agree to acquiring Wilcox. Anyone else that is a good citizen, OK, but guys looking for trouble, er-NO. I'll take my chances with May's knee.

Bassman · Post #11 » by **Bassman** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 8:41 pm

Come on Seaz...if you're not packin in North Carolina you're a sissy!

I think everyone is looking at Wilcox on these minor issues versus his production to date and his potential. I'd contend the risk we took with Ajinca at 20 is much higher than this trade for Wilcox. Ajinca will NOT be seriously productive for a few years, if ever. A slight risk (based on the "kidney rumor") would have been to take Darrell Arthur at 20, a guy with proven production and upside. If your going to take some risk on a veteran go for a young man who can still bring more game, but has some game already. Wilcox is the best potential trade option out there (that we know of) that doesn't bust our core. We can EASILY get a SG for bench production.

August Us Seazr · Post #12 » by **August Us Seazr** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 8:51 pm

Or, if we believe the papers, maybe a deal could be worked out with Cleveland for J. J. Hickson. It sounds like he has impressed to the point of getting serious burn. I want the locker room to be a building place. Not like the 3rd-5th year Panthers locker room. I'd love to get PF talent... just want him to be a pacifist OFF the court!

Check the guns at the Oklahoma border, please!

Bassman · Post #13 » by **Bassman** » Sat Jul 19, 2008 12:54 pm

OK, another deal for Wilcox that works, and I like better, is McMay and Carroll for CW.

Not Sure OKC or anyone would touch May now, but if we could just get him out on a court and post his workout video on The Bob's website, maybe they'd bring him in for a "kick the tires" look. It's ort of like putting meat on sale that is close to the "sell-by" date. But usually SOMEBODY buys it.

Based on the "potential" many still feel May can bring (on some boards) and the quality shooting of Carroll I think OKC might pull the trigger (or at least I'd hope they would).

Post #14 » by **Walt Cronkite** » Sat Jul 19, 2008 3:49 pm

The question remains: Why would OKC be interested in Carroll?

Trade a big for a small? Check.

Expiring for 4 more years? Check.

They take on Carroll's salary in order to roll the dice on May?

london sonic · Post #15 » by **london sonic** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 12:40 pm

With okafor maybe leaving could a s&t with OKC involving wilcox and other fillers.OKC has numerous future draft picks and also 3 project centers swift,sene and petro.could a deal be done?

Post #16 » by **BigSlam** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 12:52 pm

london sonic wrote:With okafor maybe leaving could a s&t with OKC involving wilcox and other fillers.OKC has numerous future draft picks and also 3 project centers swift,sene and petro.could a deal be done?

Can Westbrook be included?

london sonic · Post #17 » by **london sonic** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 1:02 pm

If seattle were trading pretty sure durant,green,ibaka ,white and westbrook are off limits .but pretty sure everyone else could be dealt.

Post #18 » by **BigSlam** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 4:27 pm

Outside of those guys there is nothing else you have that would get you Okafor.

And how can you include Ibaka and White in that list???

london sonic · Post #19 » by **london sonic** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 5:15 pm

there all presti picks .what are you expecting for okafor considering teams that s&t could be overpaying on his contract and okafor isnt yet the finished artical.I understand he is legit good defensive big but what is his ceiling.

spectre_ · Post #20 » by **spectre_** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 5:34 pm

We expect not to give him away...or take a bad contract just to move him.

If a good deal for US isn't there, there's nothing wrong with just letting him take the QO, play out the year and then make a new offer (we will retain Bird Rights after all) or be a big player in FA with our 15+ million in cap space.

Would one year of Wilcox/Petro be better than one year of Mek?