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Re: Shannon Brown 

Post#21 » by mnWI » Thu Aug 7, 2008 7:40 pm

chrbal wrote:This is as actually a decent signing. The argument that Brown is a blackhole is kind of baseless. You get thrown into the game for the 1st time in a while with 5 minutes or so left in the game, you are going to try hard to impress. Its just natural.

His numbers as a starter didn't indicate a black hole on offense. About 13 pts, 3 rebs, and 3 assists in about 30 minutes (4 starts last season).

Small investment that could pan out pretty well.

Totally disagree. He was assigned to the D-League team I worked for last season, and we went 1-5 with him. Total black-hole during that stretch, and killed our chances of making the playoffs. His shot selection is terrible, and he didn't play a lick of defense either. He's a very athletic player and has plenty of talent, but has no clue how to help a team win games.
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Post#22 » by Walt Cronkite » Thu Aug 7, 2008 7:59 pm

mnWi-You never chimed back in about how poorly the Vincent situation was handled... I was looking forward to that.
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Post#23 » by W_HAMILTON » Thu Aug 7, 2008 8:53 pm

How many roster spots do we have left? If we are bringing this guy in, does that mean we are ditching Weaver already? Or just that the team thinks he couldn't handle being 3rd PG (2nd PG in case of injury) right now?
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Re: Shannon Brown 

Post#24 » by e4Nf6 » Thu Aug 7, 2008 9:46 pm

hmmm.....

Can´t say I approve.

I haven´t seen him play much for the Cavs, (I guess even Cavs fans can say this) but he seemed like a dime-a-dozen, chicken-with-it´s-head-cutt-off athlete. Was a lot worse than he should be finishing at the rim. (a bit like felton in that respect) I don´t remember anything special defensivly but he could be really good if he´s interested.

What´s this about being the third point guard? Maybe somebody from the Cavs board can correct me, but I don´t think he has the handles to do this at all. Can you imagine him bringing the ball up against Chris Paul or somebody like that?
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Re: Shannon Brown 

Post#25 » by chrbal » Fri Aug 8, 2008 2:10 am

mnWI wrote:
chrbal wrote:This is as actually a decent signing. The argument that Brown is a blackhole is kind of baseless. You get thrown into the game for the 1st time in a while with 5 minutes or so left in the game, you are going to try hard to impress. Its just natural.

His numbers as a starter didn't indicate a black hole on offense. About 13 pts, 3 rebs, and 3 assists in about 30 minutes (4 starts last season).

Small investment that could pan out pretty well.

Totally disagree. He was assigned to the D-League team I worked for last season, and we went 1-5 with him. Total black-hole during that stretch, and killed our chances of making the playoffs. His shot selection is terrible, and he didn't play a lick of defense either. He's a very athletic player and has plenty of talent, but has no clue how to help a team win games.


I'll take that. I was basing it off of stats. I still don't mind this signing.

So "Small Investment that could pan out"..
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Re: Shannon Brown 

Post#26 » by cavsfan_osiris » Sat Aug 9, 2008 2:05 am

mnWI wrote:
chrbal wrote:This is as actually a decent signing. The argument that Brown is a blackhole is kind of baseless. You get thrown into the game for the 1st time in a while with 5 minutes or so left in the game, you are going to try hard to impress. Its just natural.

His numbers as a starter didn't indicate a black hole on offense. About 13 pts, 3 rebs, and 3 assists in about 30 minutes (4 starts last season).

Small investment that could pan out pretty well.

Totally disagree. He was assigned to the D-League team I worked for last season, and we went 1-5 with him. Total black-hole during that stretch, and killed our chances of making the playoffs. His shot selection is terrible, and he didn't play a lick of defense either. He's a very athletic player and has plenty of talent, but has no clue how to help a team win games.


The sole reason Shannon Brown had that stint in the DLeague was to showcase his skills so the team could hopefully trade him. I think that played a major role in how selfish he played down there. Shannon would destroy the DLeague, but needs to refine his game to succeed in the NBA. He's in that dreaded no man's land almost like players in baseball who they call quadruple-A. I followed his career closely starting from Michigan St. so I feel like I know his game inside and out.

The major thing with Shannon is he's got to be able to:

#1) Take care of the ball. If I were Shannon's agent the Bobcats would not have been my first choice. Shannon is young and one of his biggest weaknesses is not taking care of the ball. Larry Brown doesn't normally play young guys and has no tolerance for guards who cannot take care of the ball.

#2) Maintain body control and finish in traffic or draw fouls. Much of the time when he attacks the rim he's out of control and can't finish or won't get a foul call because he was too much out of control.

I think it's that simple. If he can improve on those two aspects of his game he can play a role for the Cats off the bench as a scorer.

The Cats are going to have to play transition ball with him in the game though. He will never be a good defender and he's a Monta Ellis type player whose positive traits are showcased in the open court and his negative traits are showcased in the half-court. One of the major reasons he couldn't play with the Cavs is because of their slow, limit possessions style of play.

e4Nf6 wrote:What´s this about being the third point guard? Maybe somebody from the Cavs board can correct me, but I don´t think he has the handles to do this at all. Can you imagine him bringing the ball up against Chris Paul or somebody like that?


There is absolutely no way he can play point guard, unless his handles have improved ten-fold since he was with the Cavs. His handles weren't even close to where they needed to be as a shooting guard much less point guard. He didn't make smart decisions at all passing either.

He didn't seem to want to work at becoming a true combo guard who can play a little PG along with their normal SG position. He just wanted to be a NBA scorer, which I think he can become.
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