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Post#1 » by Bassman » Thu Aug 14, 2008 1:17 pm

Deals are going down all over the league. Every signing or trade brings options off the table as teams complete their rosters in advance of training camp. The Bobcats have been minor players in this dance by re-signing Okafor (big and important), signing Shannon Brown and trading Weaver (replacing the rookie with a young player with some experience).

One roster spot open for a power forward. I don't see anyone getting waved out of training camp that could be snatched up. Players already waived are Josh Powell and Nick Fazekas. They've got to make decisions soon to secure a job, either here of in Europe. If our route to this PF is in free agency we'd better sign one of these guys.

If the trade route is what we're exploring I sure hope they get a deal done soon. Either nothing is going on (I doubt that), or the conversations they are having aren't getting any bites (most likely) or they are waiting on some dominos to fall. I honestly don't see any hanging decisions left by teams. There are some teams who have a glut of point guards (Memphis, Cleveland) that also need bigs. WE NEED A BIG! Can we compete with any deal they could offer? Not if we are planning to keep Felton (which we are).

Therefore Bobcats, get aggressive and make a decision NOW before fate ends up giving us a bag of rocks for Halloween. Either get the deal done for a PF, or sign Powell. Let's move on toward a NEW SEASON and a PLAYOFF TEAM!!
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Post#2 » by spectre_ » Thu Aug 14, 2008 2:01 pm

Which teams still have the full MLE that will most likely use it (teams at the LT probably won't)? It could be possible that if we're one of very few it could give us an advantage in bringing guys into training camp, esp. since we have a spot open.
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Post#3 » by _tijo_ » Thu Aug 14, 2008 2:43 pm

When you make moves that NEED TO BE MADE RIGHT NOW, you hurt your team. Josh Powell and Nick Fazekas aren't going to start for us, and are not worth the roster flexibility we have now. What's wrong with waiting until we see where May is at, and if someone makes a trade demand later, having the flexibility to go after them?

Now that we have a real coach, I want to see if our young bigs can develop. I guess we'll just sit on the opposite sides of the fence on this one Bassman.
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Post#4 » by chrbal » Thu Aug 14, 2008 3:59 pm

Josh and/or Nick aren't really going to make or break this team. So I don't really understand the urgency to get either one.

I'd be more interested to see if OKC keeps or waives Joe Smith. He becomes suddenly available, now you got someone who can actually make a difference.
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Post#5 » by Rich4114 » Thu Aug 14, 2008 5:43 pm

I think it's pointless for us to bother making a move just to make a move now. If we get a big time PF in return somehow, then I'm all for it. But until then, let's go with what we've got for now and see what we can do. I'm relatively happy with our team including the depth. We need a few guys to take it to another level this year and we'll be good to go.
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Post#6 » by Bassman » Thu Aug 14, 2008 6:02 pm

Tijo, All,

My point is this: both last season and now this season, we have had a glaring need at PF. You want to place faith in May's return, but I don't. What he could do when absolutely healthy was not acceptable relative to getting this team to the next level. Given the extent of his surgery, his general conditioning and lack of discipline, the prognosis is not very good. After May, we have Davidson, who should be slightly improved with a year's experience under his belt. But his capability to match up with NBA starting bigs is sorely lacking. Ajinca? HA...that is a sad and pathetic LOL.

So, we are left with what? Wallace, AGAIN, playing out of position?

My point is, we've acted passively towards a solution to our problem 4 spot ever since we drafted May and discovered he couldn't stay healthy. May invites us to the annual "TEASE" party this time every year. Not a strip tease like he's so familiar with, but a collective promise of meeting our hopes for a starting PF because he's rehabed and working towards a come back. When reality hits, we're stuck with few options.

As teams fill their own needs our options become smaller and fewer. Spectre's point about having a spot could very well help us bring someone in to compete for that, but with so few decent quality players available, and Europe a bigger option than ever for that talent, can we afford the luxury of waiting? Tell me what players we might have a shot at by waiting and I'm all ears. I've mentioned two players we have a real chance of losing out on if we sit on our a**.
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Post#7 » by e4Nf6 » Thu Aug 14, 2008 11:02 pm

I'm not so in love with Fazekas or Powell. If we're going to get another 4 it should be our starter. We have enough Decent/Prospect guys. Why not wait until the trade deadline and see what becomes available.
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Post#8 » by BobsBuddy » Thu Aug 14, 2008 11:26 pm

:nod: :nod: :pray: :pray: :bowdown: :bowdown: Bob----it would be nice if somebody from your staff would post to these boards and give us some feedback and hope. That will sell season tickets. We are not interested in specific deals you are working with mj and lb and your people on but more to assure fans with an update of how summer camp went and areas of improvement you are concentrating on.
Also how the staff feels about progress of current players. If you want to share any inquires of other players on other teams you,ve made and you can openly talk about it it would be appreicated by the fans. Every word Bassman has posted I agree with. Either pull the trigger on the level one veteran trade Wallace for ak47, Haslem, or Lee or signfa Fazekas or Powell before camp.Fans would like to here from Coach Brown( a hall of fame coach) at news conference at least once a month up to Season starting Oct 31st.Open up the communication That will build excitment to first home game . I remember the old days when the uncc forty niners played in the "pit" It was packed so full you couldn't hear in there and fans were fans. Make that move for the 4 and lets light up the Bobcats arena on opening night that we are a team and a city thats going to contend in the east in 2008-2009. Like I said on another posting Its your move Bob. If you always do what you've always done you will always get what you have always gotten,,,ps Make sure you have some of those cute BobKittens :wink: escort Larry on his first news conference.
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Post#9 » by Pointguard#1 » Thu Aug 14, 2008 11:29 pm

e4Nf6 wrote:I'm not so in love with Fazekas or Powell. If we're going to get another 4 it should be our starter. We have enough Decent/Prospect guys. Why not wait until the trade deadline and see what becomes available.


Exactly. Those two guys are fringe players. It is highly unlikely that either one is any better than May or Jamerio. If they were they wouldn't have gotten waived. We need a power move not a nudge, and there isn't likely going to be anything major done before Larry can get a good look at what he has.
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Post#10 » by dmutombo321 » Fri Aug 15, 2008 12:09 am

Looks like Powell was snatched up by the lakers. End of that discussion. Neither Powell nor Fazekas was going to make or break our season but it wouldve been nice to have some depth.

As far as the other poster's outlandish wishful thinking about ownership ever posting, I wouldnt hold your breath. Even if larry brown was so inclined, he's so old school, I doubt he even knows how to operate a mouse.

However, as an aside, a year or two ago, a member of the Hawks ownership posted on the ATL boards here and I believe even hooked some people up with tickets.

Also, does anyone remeber several years ago when Lee Nailon's agent was posting on the hornets board when contract negotiations broke down? I think that might have even been pre-RealGM during the nbatalk.com era
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Post#11 » by Bassman » Fri Aug 15, 2008 1:00 pm

Yeah, I guess the Lakers are STUPID for signing Powell. What an ignorant team they are! No wonder they're so bad...

Hey e4, yeah ... let's just wait and see...la de da...wait until the trade deadline to see what we can get...

la de da...

Yeah, by then we could be decent...

Or we could already be out of contention due to crappy players at the 4.

It amazes me what people think can be done in this league with marginal players. Why do we watch the NBA when so many others think little of it and focus only on college? The PLAYERS ARE THE BEST IN THE WORLD. It takes TALENT to compete at every position and teamwork to win a championship. But we've got Sean May...so why worry..... la de da.
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Post#12 » by _tijo_ » Fri Aug 15, 2008 2:39 pm

Just because the Lakers sign somebody, doesn't make it a great move. This is a franchise that signed Kwame Brown AFTER the disaster in Washington.

Just chill Bassman. You don't have to something RIGHT NOW. Options right now aren't good, so see what develops.
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Post#13 » by Walt Cronkite » Fri Aug 15, 2008 3:01 pm

Josh Powell is the next Ronny Turiaf. GO CATS!
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Post#14 » by e4Nf6 » Fri Aug 15, 2008 3:04 pm

Well, hopefully we find a trade-partner before the deadline, but signing somebody just to show we're trying is not a good idea.

Details of Powells Contract were not disclosed but I imagine there were a bunch of teams offering 1 year at the minimum (maybe the Bobcats too) and he chose the Lakers.

I'm not sure Powell is a big upgrade over Davidson/May/Hollins. Keep in mind:

1. He just signed what most assume is a MINUMUM contract.
2. The CLIPPERS weren't paying him anything and chose to waive him.

Be patient, our new PF is going to be somebody like Mikki Moore/David Lee/Udonis Haslem we just have to give them time to work out a deal.
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Post#15 » by BobsBuddy » Sat Aug 16, 2008 2:14 pm

:meditate: :cry: :angel: Gordon says he has played his last game as a bull. Ok heres our chance.
Sign and trade Chicago signs and trades Gordon. throws in gooden or thomas and fillins .
We trade wallace and Carroll to them.
bobcats starting lineup
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jrich/gordon off bench/brown
Dudley/jrich shares time at 3 as backup when gordan at 2/morrison
Gooden(or thomas)/may/ Davidson/Ajinca
Okafor/nazr/hollins
Please Bob--At least inquire--The in/out game gordan/okafore had at UCONN was really something to watch. Even wallace for Gordan would be a Big plus for our team. ps: Don't forget my opening night tickets?
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Post#16 » by spectre_ » Sat Aug 16, 2008 3:33 pm

BobsBuddy wrote::meditate: :cry: :angel: Gordon says he has played his last game as a bull. Ok heres our chance.
Sign and trade Chicago signs and trades Gordon. throws in gooden or thomas and fillins .
We trade wallace and Carroll to them.
bobcats starting lineup
dj /felt
jrich/gordon off bench/brown
Dudley/jrich shares time at 3 as backup when gordan at 2/morrison
Gooden(or thomas)/may/ Davidson/Ajinca
Okafor/nazr/hollins
Please Bob--At least inquire--The in/out game gordan/okafore had at UCONN was really something to watch. Even wallace for Gordan would be a Big plus for our team. ps: Don't forget my opening night tickets?


That ain't half bad, but man I'd hate to be paying 10+ per year for a 6th man. Gooden is an expiring so we would be losing salary after next year, but it might have to be TT because of BYC (don't have time to chk). Thing is I question both Gooden & TT's BBIQ.

It's a gamble to give up Crash, but it at least appears plausible from our side. I don't know how much interest CHI would have in doing this though as they have a (highly paid) Deng as well as Nocioni...but they've been rumored to be wanting him out.
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Post#17 » by chabber » Sat Aug 16, 2008 6:31 pm

I don't want any part of Gordon and the idea of giving up Wallace for anything except PF who can score and rebound is not something I'd like to think about. Neither Goodan or Thomas are really that enticing to me.

I like the idea of trying to sign West with part of our MLE and trading Felton for Haslem. At least then we wouldn't be trading a player on the team who's proven himself to be a near all star caliber player and is on a nice contract. :P
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Post#18 » by BobsBuddy » Sun Aug 17, 2008 11:10 am

:o :rock: :meditate: I am not ready to give up on Felton.... Looking at Goodens stats I think he would fit well with Okafor. Gordan already knows okafor from days at UCONN together. Haslem would definitely be a postive addition,but I think felton will come into his game this year under Larry Brown. The trade to Miami makes sense ,but it doesn't solve the Wallace move that will need to be done sooner or later for us to get a start caliber player.. Wallace will flourish on a team like the Bulls. he is multitalented and Can play 2-3 and start or come off the bench for the Bulls cheaper than Gordon. I agree that gordan is mainly a scorer. but isn't that what the bobcats need and gooden..."scores and rebounds". We need another rebounder in the paint don't we?. I have seen both these player play in person . Gordan took over a game when the Bulls were down and scored 20 points in the 4th quarter ending with 41. and gooden put up a 15 /18 one night and anchored the paint for Cleveland. Gordan is definite "star" even off the bench..
Next to okafor, jrich, felt, ammo, and later with Augustine at the point , they can take us deep into the playoffs this year.
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Post#19 » by Bassman » Thu Nov 13, 2008 2:33 pm

UPDATE - I KEPT MY WORD

I am a fan and do my best to pull for the Cats, but I'm glad I stuck to my guns and didn't buy League Pass this year. I knew if they didn't get a starting PF before the season started the team was going nowhere. Once again my threats to withold support fell on deaf ears at the executive levels of . I do follow the games via the audio feed on NBA.com (when I can). I read plenty and follow this team better than many folks living there. But see why we needed the big 4 at the start of the season? I believe LB will get this team to play better, but it takes time. With a gaping hole at one position, the others cannot play to their strengths due to covering for this weakness. Even if they make a deal closer to the trade deadline we will have lost too many games to recover.
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