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Re: Power Forward Vs Shooting Guard 

Post#21 » by BigSlam » Tue Nov 25, 2008 8:25 pm

spectre_ wrote:Why wouldn't a point/forward work? A smart big man who can pass out in the.

Anthony Randolph would be ideal.

Just having Swish at the 2 doesn't automatically doom this lineup

Not at all - but having a perfect 2 man next to Swish at the 3 makes us all that much more better/balanced.
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Re: Power Forward Vs Shooting Guard 

Post#22 » by BigSlam » Tue Nov 25, 2008 8:28 pm

In no real order (other than top, middle and bottom tier):

Wade
Carter
Johnson
Roy
T-Mac
Kobe
Pierce
LeBron
Manu


OJ
S.Jackson
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Crawford
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Salmons
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Monta


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Parker
Fernandez
R.Davis
Barbosa
Nick Young
Hughes
R.Brewer
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Re: Power Forward Vs Shooting Guard 

Post#23 » by Felton for Pres » Tue Nov 25, 2008 8:29 pm

BigSlam wrote:
spectre_ wrote:Why wouldn't a point/forward work? A smart big man who can pass out in the.

Anthony Randolph would be ideal.


In the beggars can't be choosers camp, I'd prefer someone with some more seasoning and that weighs more then Felton.
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Re: Power Forward Vs Shooting Guard 

Post#24 » by BigSlam » Tue Nov 25, 2008 8:31 pm

Felton for Pres wrote:
BigSlam wrote:
spectre_ wrote:Why wouldn't a point/forward work? A smart big man who can pass out in the.

Anthony Randolph would be ideal.


In the beggars can't be choosers camp, I'd prefer someone with more some seasoning and that weighs more then Felton.

Totally agree. Of course, by the time he hits that stage his asking price might be that of Chris Bosh's!!
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Re: Power Forward Vs Shooting Guard 

Post#25 » by coordinator0 » Tue Nov 25, 2008 8:33 pm

I have changed my mind. We need neither a PF or a SG. The Bobcats need a true C. Okafor has show that he can play the 4 well lately and he performs better with another big next to him. This is a little off topic, but if we get Kaman and put Okafor at the 4 I would love it. I know there are those out there that say Okafor can't guard the more athletic 4's, but I would expect him not to. Rotate Hollins, Jinx, and maybe Crash on those type of 4's and rotate Kaman and Okafor at the 5. I know it's not ideal to have a 72 mil. player being rotated in and out, but since the 'Cats payed him that much they'll just have to live with it.

Kaman and Hart for J-Rich please.
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Re: Power Forward Vs Shooting Guard 

Post#26 » by spectre_ » Tue Nov 25, 2008 8:40 pm

Slam...where does Swish rank in your three tiers (in your opinion)?

Not at all - but having a perfect 2 man next to Swish at the 3 makes us all that much more better/balanced.


We've discussed this before (remember all those fantasy Crash for Iggy trades last year?) and I agree with that. I also think an athletic 4 like Odom or Jamison (preferrably a "younger" Jamison) would work very well if we kept both Swish & Crash. That, and time to learn how to play team ball; obviously the group we have isn't there yet.

Coord...what about Mek has shown you that he can play the 4?
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Re: Power Forward Vs Shooting Guard 

Post#27 » by Walt Cronkite » Tue Nov 25, 2008 8:43 pm

Ok, I'm going to begin by mentioning that we should've traded Wallace for Tayshaun Prince last off season when piston fans were begging us to take him, he's exactly the player we're asking for and he's more palatable than Lamar Odom to me. He defends, is getting 3 assists a game, protects the ball and with McDyess out he's been boarding too. His skills would be a good match for the wings we'd have left--in short, Tayshaun is awesome, which is precisely why Joe D would never trade him. So it begins...

(Players listed alphabetically by team location-analysis-available)

Kirk Hinrich-Gets dimes for sure, spreads the floor and has a reputation as a good defender-probably available for the right deal, but he has a large contract number and I don't think Chicago does backflips over a Gerald Wallace offer.

Larry Hughes-Larry has shown an ability to pass the ball in the past and maybe Hughes can reach his defensive potential under LB. The two have a history, but I'm not sure it's a good one, since Hughes only made it through one and a half seasons in Philly before being traded-Definitely available, but he's one of the lesser desirables.

Delonte West-I like Delonte and he's definitely a capable passer, defender and ball protector-Not sure of his availability and he's getting a reputation on the GB as a lockdown defender, leading me to believe Cleveland would be in no rush to trade him.

Rip Hamilton-He's been struggling so far this season and could maybe be a buy low player for us. He's frail, so his best defensive attribute is his speed, but no I have little doubt he would be a better perimeter defender than most of our current cast-The contract extension confuses me and I don't see what we'd be able to offer Detroit that would be worth them sending him to Charlotte.

Jamaal Tinsley-and the board just exploded, it's likely that this is the point most people stop reading. Tinsley is the shortest player on this list, though he'd still be bigger than any of our pgs. He's definitely an able creator, but everyone knows he has hustle issues. LB pet project-HE'S DEFINITELY AVAILABLE.

Ricky Davis- board explosion x2. Not optimal, but all I'm sayin is that if he was a throw in in the Kaman deal, maybe LB could make it work. Expiring contract!!

Marko Jaric- Big player that can pass, if he could play even average defense for us it'd be worth looking into, but when I've seen Marko in the past he hasn't really shown a tendency to be a tenacious defender-ADRIAN LIMA IS A PLUS

Vince Carter-The pearl of the list, if we lose Jrich, getting VC3 would be a steal. Carter is a great passer, would reenergize that dormant unc money fan base, and is most likely a long shot at best. If NJ's early success is only short lived would Gerald Wallace + perks be enough to get Thorn to pull the trigger? Both Gerald and Vince expire in the same year and G is like 4.5m cheaper... add in May to make up the difference and a 2011 1st?-Feltustin/Carter/Dudisson/Okafor/Kaman could be pretty good.

Andre Iguodala-I don't think he's available even though he's struggled so far this season. Would be worth it to inquire.

John Salmons-If I'm a Maloof, I'm not posting on RealGM because I'd have a REALLY sweet life. I also would be trying to hold on to Salmons since an obvious youth movement is going on and he's totally worth his contract. He's a good fit though, has a history with LB (and it looks like a good one). Not sure how good he is defensively, definitely has the tools though.

Antonio Daniels-wasn't really trying to end the list on a player like Daniels. Not a sexy option, but I bet he could be had for less than some of the other guys. Kinda seems like a guy LB would like as well.
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Re: Power Forward Vs Shooting Guard 

Post#28 » by BigSlam » Tue Nov 25, 2008 9:07 pm

spectre_ wrote:Slam...where does Swish rank in your three tiers (in your opinion)?

As a SG he'd be middle to bottom of the 2nd tier, but that is influnced by how damaging I think he would be at the 3 with the right SG next to him.

No doubt an athletic 4 would help - but he wouldn't help with our on ball D when defending opposing wings and unless he was something really special, wouldn't really help with bringing the ball up.

If we moved Swish to the 3 I would want a role playing 2 who wouldn't cost the Earth. Someone with handles and on ball D along with a high BBIQ to help our points, Swish and our bigs better. Someone who isn't going to hurt our cap to the tune of 8, 9, 10 or 11 million a year.

I'd ideally want Childress or someone like Ronnie Brewer. Someone around the 5-7 mil mark who is happy to play 3rd fiddle but still a vital role.
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Re: Power Forward Vs Shooting Guard 

Post#29 » by spectre_ » Tue Nov 25, 2008 9:43 pm

That's about where I'd put Swish too.

A "smart" PF would help the perimeter D tho. He'd be able to cover for Mek when he punishes those little guys for daring to bring that :censored: in his paint...cuz if he had real help that paint would be his.

Agreed on the "on ball D" however. Unless you have the perfect group you can't cover everything.
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Re: Power Forward Vs Shooting Guard 

Post#30 » by Benjamin Linus » Tue Nov 25, 2008 10:50 pm

I would love to have Ronnie Brewer and would honestly trade Wallace for him. JRich, Brewer, and Augustin at the 3-2-1 respectively would fit together almost perfectly. However I still think the bigger issue is finding the right power forward. Maybe Philly would do a Brand for JRich swap since things don't seem to be clicking so well with them haha
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Re: Power Forward Vs Shooting Guard 

Post#31 » by Diop » Wed Nov 26, 2008 2:15 am

Now that Durant has gone to small forward, could we try and take Jeff Green from the Thunder?

Straight swap for Felton, Westbrook is more of a swing guard so he could move to the 2.

Green could play that Odom type role.
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Re: Power Forward Vs Shooting Guard 

Post#32 » by coordinator0 » Wed Nov 26, 2008 2:16 am

Sachmo wrote:Now that Durant has gone to small forward, could we try and take Jeff Green from the Thunder?

Straight swap for Felton, Westbrook is more of a swing guard so he could move to the 2.

Green could play that Odom type role.


I'd love it, but I think OKC has plans for him at the 4.
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Re: Power Forward Vs Shooting Guard 

Post#33 » by Diop » Wed Nov 26, 2008 2:24 am

Yeah, I think I'm dreaming, we would have to give up more to get him.
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Re: Power Forward Vs Shooting Guard 

Post#34 » by BigSlam » Wed Nov 26, 2008 2:52 am

I really, really wish there was some way we could tempt Childress back from Europe. I really think he would be great for us as well as affordable.
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