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Re: does anyone still believe in morrison? 

Post#41 » by floppymoose » Wed Dec 31, 2008 12:40 am

It pains me to say it, but Ammo is not an nba player. He's like Marcus Williams.. a guy who has some nba quality skills, but just not the athleticism to compete at this level.
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Re: does anyone still believe in morrison? 

Post#42 » by ohara » Wed Dec 31, 2008 3:56 am

floppymoose wrote:It pains me to say it, but Ammo is not an nba player. He's like Marcus Williams.. a guy who has some nba quality skills, but just not the athleticism to compete at this level.


Hit the nail right on the head. And I think with his confidence gone and not coming back, he will likely be out of the NBA after his Contract is up with us. I can see him playing in Europe somewhere where the level of competition is a tad less than the NBA and he will have an OK career overseas. And I do wish him well. I dont blame him for us taking him at #3. As mentioned above, many teams would have taken him. We were just to unlucky saps who did, over Rudy and Brandon - which still makes me sick.
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Re: does anyone still believe in morrison? 

Post#43 » by Dexmor » Wed Dec 31, 2008 12:49 pm

Yeah MJ needs to stop taking chances after Kwame and no Ammo. Like Wright if he is not sure they need to make a deal and give away the pick.
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Re: does anyone still believe in morrison? 

Post#44 » by chrbal » Wed Dec 31, 2008 6:44 pm

If I say he can be a decent role player in this league does that mean, I still believe in him?

He needs to join a team like the Thunder that can just play him no matter what. He seems to be getting decent playing time here, even if its inconsistent.

The thing that really bothers me though. How does someone play 37 minutes in a game where that player only scores TWO points. I realize the team was shorthanded (right around the time of the Richardson for Diaw trade, vs the Hornets), but still.
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Re: does anyone still believe in morrison? 

Post#45 » by cavsfan_osiris » Thu Jan 1, 2009 9:48 am

I surely hope pride isn't a factor in the decision of whether to D-League him or not.
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Re: does anyone still believe in morrison? 

Post#46 » by W_HAMILTON » Thu Jan 1, 2009 10:56 am

I thought there was some rule about who you could send to the NBADL (or is that the summer league?). If we could send Morrison there, I think it would be a good idea. Send him and Ajinca. I would be interested in seeing how those two perform if they get extended minutes. I wonder if, at least in Morrison's case, they are worried that if he goes there and shows nothing, he will basically have absolutely no trade value? Not that he has much right now.

If we could, I would definitely send Morrison there, let him be a go-to player, and see how he responds.
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Re: does anyone still believe in morrison? 

Post#47 » by bobcatters » Thu Jan 1, 2009 2:37 pm

http://www.nba.com/dleague/fan_faq.html

"12. Where do NBA D-League players come from?

NBA Assignments: NBA teams can assign players who are rookies or in their second season to their D-League affiliate. Players can stay with the D-League team for as long as the team wishes, and be recalled back to the NBA at any time. However, a player can only be sent to the D-League a maximum of three times during the season."


It appears Morrison is not eligible.
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Post#48 » by floppymoose » Thu Jan 1, 2009 9:38 pm

It wouldn't help, anyway. You don't get faster or jump higher in D league.
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Re: does anyone still believe in morrison? 

Post#49 » by fatlever » Sun Jan 4, 2009 6:39 pm

fun ammo stats.

he is 1 for 18 in his last 7 games.

6 straight games w/out a rebound (52 minutes 0 rebounds)

ammo has attempted 155 shots and 73 have been 3s. thats basically 50% of his shots as 3s. his last year in college (with a closer 3pt line) he attempted 617 shots and 173 were 3s. thats 28%.

why is ammo taking such a higher % of 3s in the NBA then in college? is that his doing? can he not get a shot off anywhere else? or is that simply the only thing the coaches feel he can do?
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Post#50 » by bobcatters » Sun Jan 4, 2009 6:45 pm

fatlever wrote:fun ammo stats.

he is 1 for 18 in his last 7 games.

6 straight games w/out a rebound (52 minutes 0 rebounds)

ammo has attempted 155 shots and 73 have been 3s. thats basically 50% of his shots as 3s. his last year in college (with a closer 3pt line) he attempted 617 shots and 173 were 3s. thats 28%.

why is ammo taking such a higher % of 3s in the NBA then in college? is that his doing? can he not get a shot off anywhere else? or is that simply the only thing the coaches feel he can do?


Good stats. My two cents. He isn't strong enough (despite his size) to get position in the post. He isn't quick enough to beat players off the dribble. He doesn't run the break. All that is left is to do is launch 3's. I can assure you that is not by coach's design.

In college, he could post, he could pump fake and hit runners. At this level, his "toolbox" of skills are negated by his inferior athletic ability. He is now simply a spot up shooter and frankly, he has always been a volume scorer more than a marksman.
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Re: does anyone still believe in morrison? 

Post#51 » by Paydro70 » Mon Jan 5, 2009 5:02 am

I don't know why this is a four-page thread, frankly, yet I feel compelled to chime in.

Bobcatters has basically summed it up, he ranges from "bad" to "terrible" in literally everything except his jump shot, which is really just "average." He is undeniably amongst the league's worst players, and at this point it's clear that nothing new is going to happen to him. Taking him at #3 was not that huge of a reach, Shelden at #5 was definitely seen as dumber at the time, but this is basically a classic bust situation.
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Post#52 » by W_HAMILTON » Mon Jan 5, 2009 6:02 am

Don't draft white people. Unless they're foreign. And even a lot of them suck lately.
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Re: does anyone still believe in morrison? 

Post#53 » by Bassman » Mon Jan 5, 2009 2:11 pm

Paydro70 wrote:I don't know why this is a four-page thread, frankly, yet I feel compelled to chime in.

Bobcatters has basically summed it up, he ranges from "bad" to "terrible" in literally everything except his jump shot, which is really just "average." He is undeniably amongst the league's worst players, and at this point it's clear that nothing new is going to happen to him. Taking him at #3 was not that huge of a reach, Shelden at #5 was definitely seen as dumber at the time, but this is basically a classic bust situation.


This is not a HATE MORRISON thread, but take it for what it's worth. The pick was awful, and I wanted Gay or Roy over anyone else at 3. The "it's not his fault we picked him at 3" statement is true, but I expected MORE from this guy, even though he was never going to match up to the other players we should have chosen.

That's why I'm getting to the point of anger with Morrison. It's a righteous anger, the same I feel for McMay. These are 2 guys who are turning into BUMS, when they should at least be productive bench players. Lottery picks don't always become stars or even starters, but BE A MAN AND PRODUCE!! Work at your body, your craft, and get better at what you do. Morrison certainly doesn't eat like a pig or (to my knowledge) hang out at strip bars and drink like a fish, but he smokes, struggles to improve his physical game, and is a general HEAD CASE. The guy went from player of the year to dog meat...and it's not because of his knee!

I JUST WANT SOME HONEST PRODUCTION!
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Re: does anyone still believe in morrison? 

Post#54 » by 6_Rings » Mon Jan 5, 2009 4:32 pm

i'm officially jumping off the Ammo bandwagon.

funny how you can be great in college and suck in the pros and vice versa.
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Re: does anyone still believe in morrison? 

Post#55 » by Benjamin Linus » Mon Jan 5, 2009 6:22 pm

I wasn't a Bobcats fan at the time Morrison was drafted so I didn't really have the same perspective a lot of you guys had on him during that time but I remember actually being amazed that people had him going in the top five before the draft and then just feeling sorry for Charlotte once they took him at three. I mean he was a very good college player but it seemed like the majority of people at the time knew he wasn't going to be nearly as good in the NBA. However I still think he will have a good basketball career just not in the NBA, like someone already mentioned he'll be best suited in an international league.

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