Slam I told you he meant system. He just clarified it himself.
Also I was not taking in what players you trade for in to account because that wasn't the question. That part is the part that I did not read. I wouldn't want to trade Crash for any of them although I wouldn't care about trading Felton for them because there all better sg's the Felton and with DJ there is no room for Felton anyway because Felton is not gonna be happy playing 20 minutes i don't think.
If you are talking abot the current roster Hughes is still the man because he is the only one that potentially can be had without giving up Crash. They just want to unload him right away.
Plus aren't those things you named just the parts that add up to the sum of what is fitting in the system.
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Dexmor wrote:Also I was not taking in what players you trade for in to account because that wasn't the question.
But they are very much a part of the equation so in turn the fit so ignoring that would be foolish - unless you want to reside in a fantasy land where you get players for nothing?
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truthbtold21 wrote:while Allen Iverson is a cousin of mine
No kidding? Man that's cool! I have always loved watching AI play...that little dude NEVER stops moving (he might have slowed down some now o'course). No matter what his off court issues ever were you could never take away from his effort on the court.
Lots of issues with all these guys. Salmons would only be here 1 1/2 (unless we want to be the team that give him his final big contract), Hughes is basically just an expiring that could possibly mess with team chemistry and AI is getting older and is also basically an expiring.
What's option "D"?
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As much as it maybe pains me to do so, I went with Iverson. He's a legit go-to scorer, and his skillset would fit in nicely with what our team needs. The only problem would be his size, since our PGs don't have much bulk to make up for it, but I'm not sure that it would hurt us that much. The benefits of playing Felton/Augustin usually outweight the negatives.
And as much as it seems like Iverson is a cancer, I think Brown could control him once again, and get him to really produce for this team. He's another playmaker, he's a legit go-to guy, and he relishes the role of being "the man," something -- outside of maybe Wallace -- we don't have, and something we could use on this team.
And as much as it seems like Iverson is a cancer, I think Brown could control him once again, and get him to really produce for this team. He's another playmaker, he's a legit go-to guy, and he relishes the role of being "the man," something -- outside of maybe Wallace -- we don't have, and something we could use on this team.
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BigSlam wrote:Dexmor wrote:My head is not spinning and Im not the one who said i don't understand.
Also he might have not said system but if not system what do you think better fit means? Better fit with the team means better fit in our system. It's the same thing.
If we can get Salmons, but he costs us Felton, Crash and a pick is he a better fit than Hughes who we could acquire for Nazzy and Hammer allowing us to shed two bad salaries?
It's all about fit - which as far as I am concerned consists of ability, style of play, skill set, contract and what sort of effect the player would have on the current roster.
If we could get Hughes for Nazr and Matt I would take that over just about any other deal I've heard of. I could see them wanting Nazr because they don't really have any thick bigs, save for Gray. Carroll would be the odd guy out I think... Does anybody have any knowledge on what the bulls would want for him?
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If we could get Hughes for Nazr and Matt I would take that over just about any other deal I've heard of. I could see them wanting Nazr because they don't really have any thick bigs, save for Gray. Carroll would be the odd guy out I think... Does anybody have any knowledge on what the bulls would want for him?
The Bulls have reportedly told Hughes agent to speak with teams to seek a trade, but with the firm condition that they will NOT accept any long contracts...in fact nothing longer than Hughes own current deal. Therefore, Nazi and Carroll won't work. No player we have will work.
Salmons is the only player of these 3 we could possibly obtain, but who knows what the Kings would want or be willing to do.
At this point, given how poorly we continue to play (Celtics win aside), I'm wondering if any move is worth it before the trade deadline. Would Salmons be our "answer" for this year and next? No. Neither would Iverson or Hughes as A.I. would be gone and Hughes is not the right player.
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Yeah Bassman you are right. The only move that makes sence is trading Bell for a young great prospect or trade Felton if we don't plan on matching any offers because some team out there is gonna give him a 35-40 million dollar deal. I wouldn;t mind keeping him for a 5 year 35 million dollar deal though.
I think we should stand pat until Raja can be traded and then see whats out there.
If nothing is build on the draft.
I love Mek's game but I wonder if he is competitive. He could have dominated this game and one it but he didn;t He should have called for the ball way more and played with more intensity.He is a hard worker but does it hurt him to lose? Is doesn't seem cut throat enough.
He shoudl have a 20 shots min quota and Diaw a 15. That is offtopic I know.
I think we should stand pat until Raja can be traded and then see whats out there.
If nothing is build on the draft.
I love Mek's game but I wonder if he is competitive. He could have dominated this game and one it but he didn;t He should have called for the ball way more and played with more intensity.He is a hard worker but does it hurt him to lose? Is doesn't seem cut throat enough.
He shoudl have a 20 shots min quota and Diaw a 15. That is offtopic I know.
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truthbtold21 wrote: I myself would be in favor of Iversn or hughes both played under larry brown before,
All 3 played for Larry in Philly
AI is legendary and has a father/son love/hate relationship with Larry. Larry always said he wanted to trade AI but backed out of every deal, and left himself instead of trading AI
Salmons was drafted by LB only to be buried on the bench and only did well when AI was hurt. LB gave up on him and traded him to Sac (sign and trade)
Hughes was also drafted by LB. The sixers needed a bigger 2 to play with AI so LB fell in love with a freshman from St.Louis (Hughes) and passed on a "overrated" in LB's mind SG from the national powerhouse Kansas (Paul Pierce) who larry said would not make a good pro. Once again Larry screwed up!
I personaly do not want any of the 3 here, and I love AI
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If we could actually get AI, there is no question he's, um...the answer here. However, I think Salmons is more attainable and I'd much rather have him than Hughes, so he gets my vote.
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Maybe someone can shop Diaw and Lex as those frenchmen taunting, idk, King May and his Holy Cheeseburger? He can talk like an lolcat or something.
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Every time I see this I think of MPatHG. Your mother was a hampster and your father smelt of elderberries! Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time!
Maybe someone can shop Diaw and Lex as those frenchmen taunting, idk, King May and his Holy Cheeseburger? He can talk like an lolcat or something.
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Yeah see that is what is dangerous about Larry Brown. He did say Pierce wouldn't be nearly as good as Hughes and although I can't remember other times he has screwed up huge time but there has been alot of those screw ups. I try not to get upset about it because he today is a new day and for us he has gotten DJ and Diaw and drafted Lex which means 2 good and 1 bad so far.
Iverson does give us a legit superstar and you couldn't pick a better team for Iverson to play around. It looks like this team was buillt around him besides the pg. Iverson would make us a top 4 -5 team in the East, very possible top 4. Hughes and Salmons gives us playoffs hopes but not second to third round hope.
Iverson does give us a legit superstar and you couldn't pick a better team for Iverson to play around. It looks like this team was buillt around him besides the pg. Iverson would make us a top 4 -5 team in the East, very possible top 4. Hughes and Salmons gives us playoffs hopes but not second to third round hope.