Does anybody still think Ray should be gone?

[Dexmor]

Raymond Felton would be awesome today if he did one thing and that is stop shooting 3 pointers. If he never took 3's he would remind me alot of Andre Miller. Miller can pass very well and is not exactly selfish but does take it to the cup alot ala Felton. Miller can't really shoot so he doesn't. If Felton just took better shots and stopped taking 3's and long 2's he would have a higher fg% and be alot like Miller.

[Felton for Pres]

ed: oh, and wtf, Alanis? Slam's the canadian one!

Couldn't resist. I feared dating myself but went ahead and did it anyway. I'm glad you picked up on it. Hope you're not the only one.

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

Raymond Felton would be awesome today if he did one thing and that is stop shooting 3 pointers. If he never took 3's he would remind me alot of Andre Miller. Miller can pass very well and is not exactly selfish but does take it to the cup alot ala Felton. Miller can't really shoot so he doesn't. If Felton just took better shots and stopped taking 3's and long 2's he would have a higher fg% and be alot like Miller.

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-3 ... Shoot.html

[Rich4114]

Maybe Rich can give DJ the same slack he's made the rest of us give Felton (while he's made every excuse for him under the sun) since I've been around?? Go compare DJ's stats with Felton's rookie year stats-- they're nearly identical. Why did you want us to keep believing in Ray? Shouldn't the same standard be held for Augustin?

Um, haven't I given DJ the same standard? If not, let me make this clear - DJ Augistine could potentially be a star PG in the NBA for our team. Does that put us on the same page now? I personally think BOTH of our PG's are good with Felton being better RIGHT NOW. Hopefully DJ gets a better opportunity than Felton, because if we did trade Felton I bet you we'd see DJ at SG half the time once they realized there were no other ball handlers to put in the back court with him other than another PG.

[Liver_Pooty]

" I bet you we'd see DJ at SG half the time once they realized there were no other ball handlers to put in the back court with him other than another PG. "

His name is Raja Bell.

[Liver_Pooty]

" Raymond Felton would be awesome today if he did one thing and that is stop shooting 3 pointers. If he never took 3's he would remind me alot of Andre Miller. Miller can pass very well and is not exactly selfish but does take it to the cup alot ala Felton. Miller can't really shoot so he doesn't. If Felton just took better shots and stopped taking 3's and long 2's he would have a higher fg% and be alot like Miller. "

He would be alot like Miller, but never be as good as Miller. Millers court vision is incredible.

[Liver_Pooty]

By the way, Rich you seem to be quick to emphasize and talk about the games that Felton has won for us, but what about all the games where Felton goes 2-12 or 3-14 and actually cost us the game? His lack of consistency is bothering, and he often plays way out of control. Just because Felton has had a few nice games in a row doesnt mean he isnt expendable now. Facts are facts, and the fact is if we can get good value for him rather than losing him for nothing in the offseason that is something you definately have to do. I could live with the rookie (Augustin) going 2-11 or 3-12 every other night as he learns the ropes, but coming from a veteran thats inexcusable.

[BigSlam]

Raymond Felton would be awesome today if he did one thing and that is stop shooting 3 pointers. If he never took 3's he would remind me alot of Andre Miller. Miller can pass very well and is not exactly selfish but does take it to the cup alot ala Felton. Miller can't really shoot so he doesn't. If Felton just took better shots and stopped taking 3's and long 2's he would have a higher fg% and be alot like Miller.

Miller scores on 58% of his layup/shots in the key attempts.

Felton scores on 43% of his layup/shots in the key attempts.

[Walt Cronkite]

Wow, what's up with that? Ray has excellent athleticism, how has he been so bad at the rim for so long? No doubt he takes wild shots when he doesn't need to sometimes, but has anyone noticed anything technique based? I know we've analyzed his jumper and talked about his chicken wing and how he never takes the same shot twice, but I don't remember much analysis about his inability to at the hoop.

[W_HAMILTON]

Vanderbilt_Grad, do you have access to the alumni section to look up Vanderbilt alumni?

[Walt Cronkite]

^ Someone should do a breakdown of the teams who will have cap this offseason...don't think it's going to be many? Out of those you then determine who is in desperate need for a PG.

team- rough approx of contract commitment-notes

Atlanta- 41 w/o Williams caphold. Bibby and Flip sign elsewhere.
Detroit- 40 w/ McDysse, Wallace, Iverson going for nothing.
Indiana- 55 w/ team option on Daniels picked up & Diener ativating po. doesn't include Jack caphold. 46 if Diener opts out and team declines option on Marquis.
LAC- 56 if Skinner and Ricky Davis opt out of player options
Grizzlies- 38
Heat- 51
T'wolves: 50
TFKA Sonics- 39
Portland-40 w/o Miles commitment

I could see Atlanta, Indiana, TFKA Sonics, Wolves and maybe Portland bidding on Felton. The Grizzlies doing it would be hilarious. Stuckey takes Detroit out of the running. Highly unlikely that Davis AND Skinner opt out. Heat want to clear cap to try and lure a player to Miami in order to keep (ST)D-Wade

edit: oh, another thing--lot of PG prospects in the upcoming draft. Rubio, Holday, Teague, Jennings, Curry alone are lottery guys, plus Warren, Flynn, Lawson on their, ahem heels (ucwutididthere?) and Mills, Collison, Calathes, Maynor, Collins, Walker, De Colo, Pargo and some guy Jerrells I've never heard of on the 1st round bubble. Maybe TFKA Sonics win big and take Griffin and make an offer to Felts to have a solid combo and the ability to have him play pg w/ Westbrook at the 2 if the decide he can't run the team? Otherwise I'd say the Hawks are the biggest threat.

[BigSlam]

Has anyone noticed anything technique based? I know we've analyzed his jumper and talked about his chicken wing and how he never takes the same shot twice, but I don't remember much analysis about his inability to at the hoop.

I'd post the theory that I have posted before, but I don't want to seem to be over analyzing our players unfairly.

[spectre_]

Think it's possible Atlanta will keep Bibby? They will probably have bird rights, so if Bibby gets any sizable amount from another team there'd probably be a S&T bringing back some salary.

Good call on a possible Sonics' move, and that could very well happen if the rumor of them wanting him is true.

Clips and Minnesota could draft PGs (I have no idea where they're falling) if there are more than a few lottery worthy. Indiana will still have Ford and Jack. Portland will have a lower pick so that's possible,tho wouldn't you want a good 3 shooter to pair with Roy? I agree about Miami. The Griz aren't happy with Conley, so who knows with them. They can still do the Sessions swap, so they might trade for one.

I'd say Sonics, Portland, Memphis and then Atlanta...but Bibby makes them a wild card. Depending on the draft of course.

[spectre_]

Has anyone noticed anything technique based? I know we've analyzed his jumper and talked about his chicken wing and how he never takes the same shot twice, but I don't remember much analysis about his inability to at the hoop.

I'd post the theory that I have posted before, but I don't want to seem to be over analyzing our players unfairly.

Man, you guys need other hobbies! Just let it go!

[Rich4114]

By the way, Rich you seem to be quick to emphasize and talk about the games that Felton has won for us, but what about all the games where Felton goes 2-12 or 3-14 and actually cost us the game? His lack of consistency is bothering, and he often plays way out of control. Just because Felton has had a few nice games in a row doesnt mean he isnt expendable now. Facts are facts, and the fact is if we can get good value for him rather than losing him for nothing in the offseason that is something you definately have to do. I could live with the rookie (Augustin) going 2-11 or 3-12 every other night as he learns the ropes, but coming from a veteran thats inexcusable.

I don't need to do that, that's what you and Walt are here for. I'm simply here to balance you out.

And my official trade stance is Felton is NOT worth trading unless we're getting something better (like a starting quality SG or PG) in return... or maybe part of a bigger blockbuster involving other guys. Why the hell should we trade him just to trade him?

[Rich4114]

Also, we're finally looking good now and even beating quality teams.... we're playing better as a team with Felton being maybe the biggest part of our recent success.... yet here I am, defending his every move.

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

Vanderbilt_Grad, do you have access to the alumni section to look up Vanderbilt alumni?

I never created a logon for the school page. I probably could, but I would have to find some of the info they sent me first.

[Dexmor]

I would think if they don't trade him by Feb which they probably can't because he has been playing so good they will surely match and keep him. I really hope and prey they keep Felton because he can be that guy. The star they are missing, of course they still need 1 more at least but he needs to stay bottom line.
This DJ injury has been a blessing really assuming he comes back 100% because I can't imagine they think it's a good idea to trade him or not sign him. Espially considering he can play many minutes at the 2 so DJ will still get plenty of pt.

[Rich4114]

Someone brought up the Raptors situation with Jose and TJ. Now look at them.