4th best defense in the east, 6th in nba

Rich4114 · Post #1 » by **Rich4114** » Sat Mar 7, 2009 3:03 am

Heh, I was just looking at the ESPN updated standings with the Bobcats ONE game out of the 8th playoff spot and noticed we are currently ranked 4th in points allowed in the east. The next best out of the teams we're fighting with for the 8th spot is only 9th. If we can keep up this good offensive attack we will have a chance against anyone.

Dexmor · Post #2 » by **Dexmor** » Sat Mar 7, 2009 3:15 am

Those stats don't mean anything. There overrated. Proof is we are under 50% not in the playoffs and 4th in points allowed. The real stat is your points compared to opps. If you play a slow down game or in our case have no scorers and the scoring is overall low your oppenents are gonna be low.
The Suns for example shoot in 7 seconds so the other team has alot more shot opps so there d stats are terrible not that there good defenders.
If our opps average more then us then that is not good and that is the case. We need a 20 point a game scorer.

e4Nf6 · Post #3 » by **e4Nf6** » Sat Mar 7, 2009 5:48 am

Defensive efficiency is adjusted for pace and they rank 7th......

Rich4114 · Post #4 » by **Rich4114** » Sat Mar 7, 2009 4:15 pm

I guess the point I was trying to make is that we really are pretty good defensively which means it gives us a chance to win close games down the stretch. As opposed to say Indiana who is horrible on defense according to the stats.

Dexmor · Post #5 » by **Dexmor** » Sun Mar 8, 2009 4:35 am

Well it goes to show you look how close we are to them and the stats so we should be way ahead.

e4Nf6 · Post #6 » by **e4Nf6** » Sun Mar 8, 2009 6:13 am

Dexmor wrote:Well it goes to show you look how close we are to them and the stats so we should be way ahead.

Unfortunately they give out wins based on how many points you score as well. "The Stats" also say we are a terrible offensive team, so keep that in mind when you bash "The Stats,"

It's true you can back up back bad arguments by cherry-picking stats, but that is true of ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING ELSE IN THE WORLD.

I could show you a video of nothing but Ammo made 3's to prove what a great scorer he is. Is Video valid evidence?

Rich4114 · Post #7 » by **Rich4114** » Sun Mar 8, 2009 4:14 pm

e4Nf6 wrote:
Dexmor wrote:Well it goes to show you look how close we are to them and the stats so we should be way ahead.

Unfortunately they give out wins based on how many points you score as well. "The Stats" also say we are a terrible offensive team, so keep that in mind when you bash "The Stats,"

It's true you can back up back bad arguments by cherry-picking stats, but that is true of ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING ELSE IN THE WORLD.

I could show you a video of nothing but Ammo made 3's to prove what a great scorer he is. Is Video valid evidence?

True, but now look at the stats over the past 20 games and see how the scoring looks. We score 30pts in one quarter now when we barely had that many at half time. Add that to the existing good defense and you've got 6 game winning streaks.

Dexmor · Post #8 » by **Dexmor** » Sun Mar 8, 2009 7:57 pm

Dont take me the wrong way, with Bell a top 5 wing defender, Wallace a very good defender, Mek a very good defender, Felton good defender and Diaw average or above average. Throw LB to a team like that and we have the potential to be the best defensive team in the league.

Now what I am saying or was trying to say is the most important team stat is your points compared to opps points because if you average 100 and your opps average 93 then you on average win games by 7 points. That's a very god stat to look at.

Defensive stats are confusing although there not completely useless but they are confusing because if your a slow down team your oppentents will take less shots and there stats will be lower even if your oppenents average is way above yours.

cavsfan_osiris · Post #9 » by **cavsfan_osiris** » Sun Mar 8, 2009 8:08 pm

It's funny looking back at the reaction of many people when they traded Jason Richardson. I couldn't believe the uproar from some of the people on the boards here. I think some are finally seeing that big names don't win you anything in the NBA.

You get a good coach, the coach implements a system and the GM acquires players to fit that system. If Charlotte stays healthy no one in the east will want to face them in the post-season. They would give any team in the East hell.

Dexmor · Post #10 » by **Dexmor** » Mon Mar 9, 2009 12:52 pm

cavsfan_osiris wrote:It's funny looking back at the reaction of many people when they traded Jason Richardson. I couldn't believe the uproar from some of the people on the boards here. I think some are finally seeing that big names don't win you anything in the NBA.

You get a good coach, the coach implements a system and the GM acquires players to fit that system. If Charlotte stays healthy no one in the east will want to face them in the post-season. They would give any team in the East hell.

That's true although I always looked at JRich as overrated. On a team with no scorers jrich should have been getting 25 points a game. When RJ was playing with only Vince he averaged 24. JRich is praised for being a super athlete but the truth is he can jump high enough to win a dunk contenst but he doesn't have a quick fist step, he is not very quick in general and he shoots to many 3's. Jrich is a good 3rd option. He was our first. He needed to go. Plus I was happy when he was traded because it meant a good chance Wallace stays. Plus when you have a guy like Bell you have to look at it like he averages 16 a game because even though he averages 13 a game he probably takes off the opposing 2's average by about 3 points.

thruthefire · Post #11 » by **thruthefire** » Mon Mar 9, 2009 7:11 pm

RJ didn't average 24 ppg last season.

Dex, I think you over value players on other teams and undervalue your own. I don't think we have a "superstar", but we have 4-5 guys who could be all stars very shortly.

Dexmor · Post #12 » by **Dexmor** » Mon Mar 9, 2009 8:16 pm

No 22.6 which is close.

I don't undervalue our players. I have said many x's that Felton has allstar potential as does Mek and if Diaw rebounded more you would have to put him on the allstar team.
I love our team and think there awesome.

Dexmor · Post #13 » by **Dexmor** » Mon Mar 9, 2009 8:21 pm

I would rather have Mek, Diaw and Felton over RJ. I would trade Wallace or Bell for him but I love Wallace and Bell. I think Bell is the most underrated player in the game. He is basically a 18 point a game scorer cause he gets 15 and his man always scores less.

thruthefire · Post #14 » by **thruthefire** » Mon Mar 9, 2009 8:23 pm

I wouldn't trade anyone of our starting five for RJ.

I think RJ is a better individual player than Bell, but right now we need Bell far more than we would RJ.