GT: Charlotte v. Indiana 7:00pm

therebirth · Post #121 » by **therebirth** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 2:58 am

For the second time they were in a position be 8th place and were afraid to take it. They are choking.

Post #122 » by **Walt Cronkite** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 2:59 am

doc.end wrote:
Walt Cronkite wrote:
doc.end wrote:http://www.nba.com/dleague/news/dleague_webcasts.html
Time to switch:(

One more hour

Oh, right. i usually use the archive, the live stream i have trouble to log in (I can log in on other pages of the account). Only the Reno gameč is there in the archive, i watched Lex and there were some positives - his 12 poits were two hook shots, jump shot, fade away jump shot after nice quick drive to the hoop from his favourite spot around the 3pt line - I didn't know he could have a such a quick first step; it resulted in shooting over hid defender near the baseline, but it was great; and finally there were tow dunks - one alleyoop action and one nasty Hollins-like dunk a-must-see stuff.

Little Sean played ok, i didn't notice any mistakes btu I was actually watch ionly the stretches when Lex was playing and keep watching what he is doing with or without the ball and not much else. i have to say Lex doesn't have a great footwork/position in dfence sometimes, had 2 fouls on perimeter after screens and one really terrible inbound pass. So I guess he doen't get more nba minutes mainly because of defense, offensively he was good and you know it never getting old hear commentators who weren't aware of hios ability to knock down long jump shots:)

They're calling Lex "Aginsu"... like ginsu knives.

Post #123 » by **BigSlam** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 3:42 am

thruthefire wrote:
BigSlam wrote:If people think that Felton is going to get paid this summer, then Jarrett Jack must be licking his chops at his upcoming Gilbert Arenas/Rashard Lewis sized contract.

Because Jack is really better than Felton.....what's next, DJ is better than CP3?

About the only thing Jack does less than Felton this season are assists (something like 7 a game Vs 4 game). Jack is statistically better than him in pretty much every other cat - and he pulled his pants down tonight.

Post #124 » by **Paydro70** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 3:59 am

BigSlam wrote:
thruthefire wrote:
BigSlam wrote:If people think that Felton is going to get paid this summer, then Jarrett Jack must be licking his chops at his upcoming Gilbert Arenas/Rashard Lewis sized contract.

Because Jack is really better than Felton.....what's next, DJ is better than CP3?

About the only thing Jack does less than Felton this season are assists (something like 7 a game Vs 4 game). Jack is statistically better than him in pretty much every other cat - and he pulled his pants down tonight.

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Felton gets more points, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks, and has a lower turnover rate. All Jack does is shoot better, but with a much smaller usage rate. The defensive stats point to Felton too.

I don't think the perception around the league is that Jack is worth more than Felton, either.

SteveMorrison15 · Post #125 » by **SteveMorrison15** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 4:00 am

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manou · Post #126 » by **manou** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 2:24 pm

Walt Cronkite wrote:It went downhill after the int'l fans made b2b posts about Diaw going for 30. Hope you guys learned your lesson.

I know........ Sooooooooooooooooooooorry ^^

thruthefire · Post #127 » by **thruthefire** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 3:12 pm

BigSlam wrote:
thruthefire wrote:
BigSlam wrote:If people think that Felton is going to get paid this summer, then Jarrett Jack must be licking his chops at his upcoming Gilbert Arenas/Rashard Lewis sized contract.

Because Jack is really better than Felton.....what's next, DJ is better than CP3?

About the only thing Jack does less than Felton this season are assists (something like 7 a game Vs 4 game). Jack is statistically better than him in pretty much every other cat - and he pulled his pants down tonight.

Bell only guarded Jack for a third of the game......

thruthefire · Post #128 » by **thruthefire** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 3:17 pm

Paydro70 wrote:
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Felton gets more points, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks, and has a lower turnover rate. All Jack does is shoot better, but with a much smaller usage rate. The defensive stats point to Felton too.

I don't think the perception around the league is that Jack is worth more than Felton, either.

This is some serious OWNAGE!

Also everytime Felton play's Jack, Felton usually embarasses him.

Post #129 » by **BigSlam** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 3:26 pm

Paydro70 wrote:Felton gets more points, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks, and has a lower turnover rate. All Jack does is shoot better, but with a much smaller usage rate. The defensive stats point to Felton too.

I don't think the perception around the league is that Jack is worth more than Felton, either.

Jack shoots on the season better from the floor, better from the line, better percentage from the 3pt line, more 3's and less turn overs.

The point difference in .8, the rebounding difference is .7, the steal difference .5 and the block difference .2

Jack also plays on average 5 less mins per game.

Post #130 » by **BigSlam** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 3:27 pm

thruthefire wrote:This is some serious OWNAGE!

Serious OWNAGE was what Jack did to Felton allllllllllllllllllllll night long last night - except for when Felton was jacking (pardon the pun) up his 3-13. I guess that OWNAGE was on himself?

Post #131 » by **BigSlam** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 3:44 pm

P.S. That's on the season. Take Jack's 1 game in Oct and his games in Nov out.

Compare the last two months - widely considered Felton's best ever, to Jack's past two months.

Or even just Jack's stats as a starter (42 games).

Or their per 36:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/ ... 2=2009&=&=

thruthefire · Post #132 » by **thruthefire** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 4:01 pm

BigSlam wrote:P.S. That's on the season. Take Jack's 1 game in Oct and his games in Nov out.

Compare the last two months - widely considered Felton's best ever, to Jack's past two months.

Or even just Jack's stats as a starter (42 games).

Or their per 36:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/ ... 2=2009&=&=

OMG, two months show's how much better Jack is than Felton! Forget about the two months before that when Jack was still getting the minutes, but not producing much. And one of the months you're talking about is March, which hasn't even concluded. Not to mention, the Pacers only play at a much faster pace than the Bobcats, but i'm sure that has no impact on their numbers.

Is Jack a pg or a sg? Because by those amazing numbers he is putting up, I can't tell. Overall, I would take Felton past two months over Jack's. Felton's play in January wasn't too shabby compared to Jack's either.

Post #133 » by **fatlever** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 4:33 pm

last night was the first time i've said, at the end of the 3rd quarter, "i'm ready to go when you are". but i didnt, i stayed for the comedy of diop and may.

last night was easily the most upset i have ever been at this team. sure we've lost many games by 25, but none of them ever really mattered, so i didnt let it bother me. last night was painful. that team deserved very loud "BOO!" that was sent their way. just an absolutely disgusting performance. and that was also the first time i've really been pissed off with larry. why on earth did he leave keep the starters on the floor during that 3rd quarter explosion. the starters where taking bad jumpers on offense and playing uninspired defense. they should have been yanked, but larry left them out their for pretty much the entire quarter. very frustrating. at least get felton and wallace out of the game.

so the question is, how fast can the team forget that game ever happened?

Post #134 » by **Paydro70** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 5:17 pm

The Pacers play at the 3rd fastest pace in the NBA, versus the 27th for the Bobcats. Jack plays fewer minutes, but when you look at the per-possession stats in the "advanced" section, you still see a slight edge for Ray in everything but shooting percentages. Some of that is forgiven by Ray's usage, as well, though obviously not all. Jack is a better scorer than Ray, but Ray is better at everything else.

I think the more important point though is how Ray is perceived around the league... I think he's more valued than Jack and can expect to earn more money. Considering the financial situation league-wide, I think we'll probably be getting Ray at a very reasonable price. Who's going to shell out 8m for him at this point?

Post #135 » by **BigSlam** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 5:53 pm

Paydro70 wrote:The Pacers play at the 3rd fastest pace in the NBA, versus the 27th for the Bobcats. Jack plays fewer minutes, but when you look at the per-possession stats in the "advanced" section, you still see a slight edge for Ray in everything but shooting percentages. Some of that is forgiven by Ray's usage, as well, though obviously not all. Jack is a better scorer than Ray, but Ray is better at everything else.

I think the more important point though is how Ray is perceived around the league... I think he's more valued than Jack and can expect to earn more money. Considering the financial situation league-wide, I think we'll probably be getting Ray at a very reasonable price. Who's going to shell out 8m for him at this point?

So if you could get a statistically fairly equal player, like Jack, for even less money who has more size, which way would you go?

Dexmor · Post #136 » by **Dexmor** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 6:09 pm

Jack would make the perfect sg for us. Maybe we do a pick swap with the Pacers and Jack for DJ.

Jack and Felton as a backcourt would be a killer and they could run like hell and there would be 3 pg type's in the starting 5.

Post #137 » by **Paydro70** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 10:12 pm

BigSlam: Now that's a fair point... if Jack really does command considerably less, he probably would be the better bargain.

arh1109 · Post #138 » by **arh1109** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 3:42 am

Yeah Jack's a legit combo guard. He's a restricted FA this summer so we could get a shot at him. With Dunleavy coming back and his fueds with TJ Ford, maybe the FO will let him slip. I'd love to see Felts and Jack holding down the back court. I heard his defense is bad from somewhere, anyone heard anything like that?

Marc3287 · Post #139 » by **Marc3287** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 4:41 am

Jarrett Jack is just a guy. He is another 6'3" SG. He played way above his head Saturday. My recommendation is to not take anything away from that game, just forget. Like LB alluded to in his post game, occasionally, during an 82 game season one team is just not going to show up and the other is going to play above their heads. This happened Saturday. We're better than we showed, we're better than Indiana, and Raymond Felton is better than Jarrett Jack.

I am also against acquiring Jack to play SG. He lacks the size to consistently defend opposing SGs. He is a guy that is w/o a position. He lacks the skills of a point and he lacks the size of a shooting guard. I hate players like this.

Part of my opinion is just because I hate combo guards, especially average to even above average ones, but I still believe Raymond Felton is significantly better than Jarrett Jack aside from any of my preconceptions and I would even pay accordingly because PG isn't the position to cut costs.

Post #140 » by **BigSlam** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 1:21 pm

Marc3287 wrote:Jarrett Jack is just a guy. He is another 6'3" SG. He played way above his head Saturday.

Totally agree that Sat night was the exception and not the norm, but if you look at Jack's career averages over 36 mins, they are very similar to Felts'.