What do we need to do in the offseason?

[chrbal]

Couldn't figure out a way to get Shaq, Diaw, and Richardson to all become Sixers could ya. I would normally put a sarcastic remark right about here, but this is just horrible.

What makes it even worse is that Richardson and AI2 would be a horrid pairing. And you go after Diop. So not only is it horrible for the other teams involved, its also pretty bad for the homer team involved.

[fugop]

Would you guys consider Jamison fro Diaw and the #12? Jamison would improve your offense, both with efficiency and range. Okafor and Diop, as two of the better defensive bigs, would compensate for his defensive shortcomings, as well as LB's schemes. His deal is similar to Diaw's this year, but it obviously grows. It seems like the Wizards and Bobcats would be good trading partners, but front office tension could present obstacles.

[spectre_]

I value Boris more than Jamison...so I don't know why we'd be adding the 12th?

Regardless, I wouldn't do it without the pick.

[BigSlam]

Would you guys consider Jamison fro Diaw and the #12? Jamison would improve your offense, both with efficiency and range. Okafor and Diop, as two of the better defensive bigs, would compensate for his defensive shortcomings, as well as LB's schemes. His deal is similar to Diaw's this year, but it obviously grows. It seems like the Wizards and Bobcats would be good trading partners, but front office tension could present obstacles.

Sure we are good trading partners.............so long as Harden is coming back our way. Diaw has equal value to us as Jamison would (if not more) so this trade wouldn't make much sense for us.

If we were adding the #12, you would have to add the #5 - and only if it was Harden IMO.

[Benjamin Linus]

What about something like...

Charlotte Out / Washington In
Boris Diaw
Raja Bell
#12
#40

Washington Out / Charlotte In
Antawn Jamison
DeShawn Stevenson
#5
#32

(Contingent upon James Harden being drafted at #5) ???

[spectre_]

I still think that favors Washington too much as they'd be getting a year off of Jamison's salary (plus he gets raises...Boris doesn't), Raja is better than Stevenson AND he's an expiring.

IMO:

First offer from me would be Raja for Stevenson/5th (he's EXACTLY what they need) and possibly settle for Raja/12th for Stevenson/5th/32nd.

Jamison/5th for Boris/12th

and Harden better be "all that" because I'd still hate those trades.

[BigSlam]

First offer from me would be Raja for Stevenson/5th (he's EXACTLY what they need) and possibly settle for Raja/12th for Stevenson/5th/32nd.

Raja
for
#5 and Stevenson

??

That would be an amazing deal for us - but there is no way that Raja is worth the #5 over all pick in any draft.

[JMillott]

I think Gerald Wallace is the only sensible trade asset to use if they can get a legit quality starting PF in return. Obviously the ideal target would be a Chris Bosh for GWallace and #12 pick but it's doubtful the Raptors would make that trade.

Other more tangible moves would be to swap #12 and GWallace to the Wolves for Mike Miller and #6 hopefully to get Hill.

A sign and trade of GWallace for Lamar Odom. That leaves the #12 available to draft Henderson or the best SG available if not Henderson.

[spectre_]

First offer from me would be Raja for Stevenson/5th (he's EXACTLY what they need) and possibly settle for Raja/12th for Stevenson/5th/32nd.

Raja
for
#5 and Stevenson

??

That would be an amazing deal for us - but there is no way that Raja is worth the #5 over all pick in any draft.

I did say that would be my initial offer. It's probably more fair with our 12th, but we would be taking the extra year of Stevenson, so that's not just Raja for the 5th pick. I think their criteria is get a vet SG and lose either Stevenson or Banks.

[BigSlam]

First offer from me would be Raja for Stevenson/5th (he's EXACTLY what they need) and possibly settle for Raja/12th for Stevenson/5th/32nd.

Raja
for
#5 and Stevenson

??

That would be an amazing deal for us - but there is no way that Raja is worth the #5 over all pick in any draft.

I did say that would be my initial offer. It's probably more fair with our 12th, but we would be taking the extra year of Stevenson, so that's not just Raja for the 5th pick. I think their criteria is get a vet SG and lose either Stevenson or Banks.

But Stevenson is only a 4 or so million a year player with 2 years left on his current deal - and he's productive, so it's not like they are desperate to get out of his contract.

By Banks I think you mean James? If you do, he's an expiring contract so he probably has a positive value to them, just like we hope Nazzy will be for us next year.

[spectre_]

Losing Stevenson's last year would be 8 million when you figure the tax.

And is he really that productive? From what I've read they want him out like yesterday.

I know what Raja is worth to us and I imagine he'd be an even bigger help to them since they have more veterans. The 5th pick is a gamble (would your boy Harden even be there? Couldn't this pick be Curry?) and could very well be the deciding factor in us not making the playoffs next season.

Long story short...I don't want to lose him. If I'm giving him up it's going to be worth it. As I said (twice!), Raja/12th for the 5th is probably fair, but taking Stevenson IMO tilts it in their favor.

[BigSlam]

If we could get the 5th pick and only had to give up Raja I would be all over it - but I don't think that Raja alone would be enough to get it, even if they added in Stevenson.

I'd also have no problem trading Raja with the #12 to get Harden with a hopeful follow up signing of Anthony Parker.

[Benjamin Linus]

I take back my initial offer! haha I just looked them up and I didn't realize how ugly their contract's were. For some reason I thought Jamison's deal was very similar to Diaw's, which I cannot help but to think - why would they sign him to such a back-loaded contract like that?

Anyway, I'd actually consider doing a Raja & the 12th for Stevenson & the 5th, but I don't see Washington going for something like that. But what do I know, it would be cool to hear what they think about some of these.

[Bassman]

I think Gerald Wallace is the only sensible trade asset to use if they can get a legit quality starting PF in return. Obviously the ideal target would be a Chris Bosh for GWallace and #12 pick but it's doubtful the Raptors would make that trade.

Other more tangible moves would be to swap #12 and GWallace to the Wolves for Mike Miller and #6 hopefully to get Hill.

A sign and trade of GWallace for Lamar Odom. That leaves the #12 available to draft Henderson or the best SG available if not Henderson.

I'd never move Wallace for anything other than a star-level player. Bosh, sure, but that'll never happen. Not Odom, not Miller. I would love to be convinced Diaw could be just as productive at the 3. If so he could be very dangerous paired with a near-star power forward.

Get us a deal that sends Okafor and Wallace out and brings in a near star-level PF and SG, and I'm all ears. Look at the teams in the finals, and tell me how we get anywhere close to matching up with them (or similarly powerful teams) in the next several years with our current squad? I love Wallace more now than ever, but he is our best asset, and could be replaced by Diaw at the 3. Would I swap Wallace with Diaw to pair with Okafor? Absolutely! We just need a high quality PF who can rebound, score and create havoc on the low block. I'm willing to use Diop and Nazr at the 5. But give me a force at the 4 and at the 2, combine that with Wallace or Diaw at the 3, an improved PG, and some better depth off the bench, and we're taking bigger steps.

So, while you might not agree, what PF and SG combination might we be able to get by trading Okafor and Diaw (or Okafor and Wallace or Okafor and Vlad)?

[arh1109]

Would anyone consider an Augustin + Nazr for Manu Ginobili trade to be fair valuewise for both parties? I know SA would rather have a prospect of Augustin's caliber at another position such as the wing, but a deal like this could work out since SA is noticeably on the decline and teams like Portland and LA will be in the 60 win range next season. We instantly could become a title contender (more like 50 wins but who cares) if we make adjustments on the way.

[fatlever]

yes. downside, manu is 32, had one year left on his contract and often injured. but he IS a go to player. he would get us in the playoffs assuming he could play 60+ games. and probably resign and play for another 3-4 years.

we could then draft a pg this year.

[thruthefire]

Why would San Antonio do that?
Parker's only 26, and George Hill is a good backup with loads of potential.

I would make that trade, though.
Hate to see DJ go, but losing Nazr would be great, and adding Manu would be even better.

[arh1109]

Why would San Antonio do that?
Parker's only 26, and George Hill is a good backup with loads of potential.

I would make that trade, though.
Hate to see DJ go, but losing Nazr would be great, and adding Manu would be even better.

We'd have to include a 3rd party to give up a prospect equal to Dj since they already have depth at the pg spot (Young from philly, Outlaw from portland, thompson from sac) More possibilities are there as well but the circumstances for a manu trade could happen next season if the spurs are slow to get out the gate and Timmy's tendonitis is back. Nazr is added to the deal to make salaries work and only has 2 more years on the contract. Greg is loyal to his players, but if its clear that they won't contend, they would be more than happy to get this kind of return for Ginobili.

[fatlever]

looks like the wiz are making a push for manu, probably offering jamison.

duncan and jamison would be an interesting front court.

arenas and manu.....OMG, i'm in heaven. thats my dream backcourt.

[doc.end]

Even if someone would convince you Manu is an Italian? .)