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Re: Rumour: Azubuike, Belinelli for Raja 

Post#61 » by spectre_ » Wed Jun 24, 2009 1:15 pm

BigSlam wrote:We've always had someone to play that leadership role - from BK to DA and now to Raja. It's important to have someone who sets an example and set the tone for the rest of the team. The advantage with Raja is that he is LB's love child and is still a very productive player.

The idea of bringing someone like TWill in is a lot more attractive to me because Raja is here and he can learn under him for a little while. I think working with Raja would seriously fast track his progression for us.


Exactly...why I said I think it's imperative we retain him for this season. If TWill can make the jump (he already "talks" on the court, great defender and solid at the 3) quickly enough then we can look to move Raja to a contender at the trade deadline. By reducing his minutes he'd stay healthier, wouldn't lose as much and be very valuable.
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Re: Rumour: Azubuike, Belinelli for Raja 

Post#62 » by dmutombo321 » Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:40 pm

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BigSlam wrote:We've always had someone to play that leadership role - from BK to DA and now to Raja. It's important to have someone who sets an example and set the tone for the rest of the team. The advantage with Raja is that he is LB's love child and is still a very productive player.

The idea of bringing someone like TWill in is a lot more attractive to me because Raja is here and he can learn under him for a little while. I think working with Raja would seriously fast track his progression for us.


Slam, that logic is without question. If we are to draft T-Will or Henderson, it would be foolish to do the Raja trade and lose that mentoring. Making the deal would negate drafting a SG. I just think the return value for Bell, given his age and our team's position, is good.


This is pretty much sums up my line of thinking too.

My first preference would definitely be standing pat, drafting Twill and having Bell take him under his wing and then, like spectre mentioned, if Bell can be moved to a contender for some assets towards the end of the season, then do so.

However, if Twill is unavailable, someone else slips, or they just decide to go in a different direction, then this proposed deal, if GS is receptive, would be the way to go.

Without drafting a 2 guard at #12, the whole mentor thing from Bell would then be moot. Plus, we'd be in the same situation we are now with Bell being the only true shooting guard we have on the entire roster, and not to mention one who we're probably playing alot more minutes than he ideally should be seeing at this point in his career.

As valuable is Bell's leadership and defense is, he's getting up in years and he is prone to get injured again and miss significant time if we continue to lean on him for 35+ minutes a night. He's shown he is still a premier defender but with his age, he would be much more effective playing 20-25 minutes coming off the bench as a stopper. He's the kind of player who, in a speciality stopper type role can help a veteran team win a playoff series.

But if he plays out the season with us, his deal expires next summer and he probably walks. Then we've gotten nothing in return.

Azubuike would give Char a young 15-20ppg offensive talent who has improved dramatically each of the past three years, is 6 years younger and can play either the 2-3. The italian, while a poor defender is better than any back up two we've had since Carrol, he can serve as a third PG and he is cheap.

I dont see what's not to like. Plus, if Bell really does have ties here, after his deal is up next summer, there's nothing that precludes us from bringing him back on a cheap contract to come off the bench or even serve as an assistant (I think years from now you'll see Raja coaching somewhere).
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Re: Rumour: Azubuike, Belinelli for Raja 

Post#63 » by Bowser » Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:28 pm

Doesn't matter anyway:

Charlotte indeed offered defensive ace Raja Bell to Golden State earlier this week for Kelenna Azubuike and Marco Belinelli but, sources say, was quickly turned down by the Dubs.


http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/s ... ter-090624
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Re: Rumour: Azubuike, Belinelli for Raja 

Post#64 » by Bassman » Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:54 pm

Bowser wrote:Doesn't matter anyway:

Charlotte indeed offered defensive ace Raja Bell to Golden State earlier this week for Kelenna Azubuike and Marco Belinelli but, sources say, was quickly turned down by the Dubs.


http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/s ... ter-090624


Well....there goes the neighborhood!! I thought Nelson was just getting to the height of his eccentricity and we'd take advantage of it. :sigh: :eyebrows:

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Re: Rumour: Azubuike, Belinelli for Raja 

Post#65 » by Lord Thaliontil » Thu Jun 25, 2009 8:52 am

It´s a pity.I think this would be one of our best trades,getting a nice Sg on Azubuike and a good backup on Bellineli for an aging Bell (despite his intangible skills)...ufff,too good to be real.I expect our front office not to continue doing this exchange if that means trading away the 12th pick
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Re: Rumour: Azubuike, Belinelli for Raja 

Post#66 » by dmutombo321 » Thu Jun 25, 2009 1:46 pm

Lord Thaliontil wrote:It´s a pity.I think this would be one of our best trades,getting a nice Sg on Azubuike and a good backup on Bellineli for an aging Bell (despite his intangible skills)...ufff,too good to be real.I expect our front office not to continue doing this exchange if that means trading away the 12th pick


Yeah, the inclusion of the #12 was likely the sticking point. As I mentioned earlier, I loved this deal but I could never see why GSW would have done the trade as originally proposed as Bell alone wouldnt have been providing them with equal value.

I wouldnt be willing to part with the 12 also but, if williams and other players we value at 12 are gone, to sweeten the deal, Charlotte could send the 12 to Chicago for the 16 and 26 and then call GS back and add the 26 and both second rounders to the Bell -Azubuike/Belinelli offer. Keep 16 and take the BPA.

Since GSW has shipped out Crawford, it looks like they may end up with an Ellis/Steph Curry run and gun back court. They will need a Bell type player to defend off their bench since both their twos are undersized and morrow is a poor defender. Plus, they could choose someone like Budinger with the late first for added swing man depth and stash some foreign prospects with the seconds.
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Re: Rumour: Azubuike, Belinelli for Raja 

Post#67 » by Rich4114 » Thu Jun 25, 2009 2:57 pm

I feel like I'd rather see us trade #12 for a quality SG instead. We'd probably have to throw something additional in to make it work... maybe Kerr is stupid enough to trade us J-Rich back for Nazr + #12? :-)
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Re: Rumour: Azubuike, Belinelli for Raja 

Post#68 » by Elden Payton » Thu Jun 25, 2009 4:47 pm

I would do this trade in a heartbeat and get some good vets for the minimum.. I believe Bellinelli has a lot of (still)untapped potential.
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Re: Rumour: Azubuike, Belinelli for Raja 

Post#69 » by floppymoose » Fri Jun 26, 2009 3:10 am

Now the rumor is that Marco and Buike are part of an Amare trade.
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Re: Rumour: Azubuike, Belinelli for Raja 

Post#70 » by Lord Thaliontil » Sat Jun 27, 2009 10:49 pm

Biedrins,Buike,Bellineli xxxx Amare,Mullin must be crazy if he does that
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Re: Rumour: Azubuike, Belinelli for Raja 

Post#71 » by floppymoose » Mon Jun 29, 2009 5:42 am

Mullin is long gone. The Mad Scientist is in charge now.
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Re: Rumour: Azubuike, Belinelli for Raja 

Post#72 » by delsol650 » Thu Jul 2, 2009 8:05 pm

I would have done the Bellie/Azu trade for RB and a future 1st.
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Re: Rumour: Azubuike, Belinelli for Raja 

Post#73 » by Devilzsidewalk » Thu Jul 2, 2009 8:37 pm

delsol650 wrote:I would have done the Bellie/Azu trade for RB and a future 1st.


you should keep a couple of those future firsts
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Re: Rumour: Azubuike, Belinelli for Raja 

Post#74 » by dlee_7283 » Sun Jul 5, 2009 5:09 am

I think LB likes Raja, he is like a better version of Aaron McKie who will be a perfect compliment once the Bobcats get a real star.
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Re: Rumour: Azubuike, Belinelli for Raja 

Post#75 » by Lord Thaliontil » Sun Jul 5, 2009 11:31 pm

Well,that star should come soon,Raja is 34 I think...

P.S: I didn´t remember that Mullin wasn´t the GM of Warriors,thanks for the info!
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