hammers: bobcats vs bulls

[fatlever]

i dont think chandler will come anywhere near what okafor got in terms of hammers received. hammers are generally a reflection of stats and chandler will not match okafor in stat production.

[Paydro70]

Could he at least match in +/-? Because that's not going so great either.

[Battery]

So....The stat can be misleading generally, but not in this case? So what was your point again?

The Hornets have been beaten soundly a few times this year, but all the damage that has been done by the other teams was done when Mek was not on the court.

I'll ask you again....

Your "Losing teams contain losing players" philosophy also would seem to doom Chris Paul. Do you consider Chris Paul to be a good player? Why does he get a pass and not Mek? What about Tim Duncan or Deron Williams? They are also currently on "losing" teams.

That is so not true. I just watched Okafor get tossed around like a rag doll by DJ Mbenga the other night. He was also crappy against the Raptors. And it's the beginning of the season, give it some time, Okafor will surely have quite a few runs of terrible play in games where he was needed to step up. You know, like against the Lakers the other night without Gasol and Bynum. The UFO's from Okafor were flying all over.

Chris Paul is a great great great player. Last night against the red hot Clippers he destroyed them. But the one thing I took from last nights game was that Chris Paul finally went away from Okafor. Okafor kept rolling to the hoop on the pick and rolls and Paul never looked at him. The Clippers announcers in the third quarter remarked, has Okafor even shot the ball tonight?

But one thing I will credit Okafor last night for doing was limiting Chris Kaman. Even though Kaman scored a bit in the first half, in the second I thought Okafor did a great job in frustrating him and also keeping out of the paint. So even though Okafor's stats did not bear it out, I thought he played very well. Defensively he was real good and on offense he just stayed out of the way. Wait no let me check that, actually Okafor was very good at setting screens and creating space in the lane for Chris Paul to drive. Perfect. And the Hornets destroyed the Clippers.

[Battery]

Could he at least match in +/-? Because that's not going so great either.

Why? We didn't lose the game against the Bulls because of Chandlers +/- number.

[Walt Cronkite]

Right, we lost it because of Noah's +/-

[fatlever]

we lost because of our inability to score in the 2nd half.

[Battery]

we lost because of our inability to score in the 2nd half.

Right. And with all of those missed shots in the second half, we still had a chance to win this game.

[Walt Cronkite]

Chance, schmance. All I care about are W's and L's, bro.

[W_HAMILTON]

i dont think chandler will come anywhere near what okafor got in terms of hammers received.

He won't, but that's because Chandler's great games will come nowhere close to Okafor's great games.

The issue isn't whether or not Chandler will receive more gameballs, the issue is that Chandler has already received several votes for gameballs where, if it was Okafor turning in those types of performances, he would receive more criticism than gameball votes.

Of course, we've already learned that, for some, this is somewhat of a popularity contest anyway. If Chandler and Okafor are supposed to be comparable players, a performance that earns a gameball for Chandler should have earned a gameball for Okafor, but that certainly has not been the case.

A 10/10/4 game would not have gotten Okafor a silver gameball.

If Okafor posted 13/7 and allowed Dwight Howard to go for 21/16/4, he would not have received a gameball vote. Yet Chandler does that and lets Noah put up those numbers, and he's getting gameball votes. If it were Okafor that allowed Noah to have that sort of game, people around here would be tearing him apart.

[fatlever]

i dont think anyone who voted for chandler in this thread was thrilled with his play. it was more of a lesser of two evils situation. i thought felton was horrific in the second half and his inabilty to run the offense attributed to our lose more than chandler's inability to keep noah off the glass. chandler was so so. some good, some bad. overall, i thought chandler was less worse than felton and better than anyone else other than diaw or diop, which isnt saying much since most of the team was bad or invisible.

there have been tons of games in the past 3 years where we lost and okafor got a hammer for being less worse than some of the other players. same goes for all our main core players.

[fatlever]

btw... maybe noah is just that good. he had 21 rebounds tonight against the nuggets, who were one of the best rebounding teams in the league last year, if i remember correctly.

[W_HAMILTON]

Okafor would not have gotten a gameball for the Chicago game, period.

As for Noah, it wasn't so much the rebounding as it was the scoring; Noah scored a career high, and did so on 83% shooting.

[thruthefire]

Felton did much, much better against Rose than Chandler did against Noah.

Rose: 13 points (6-11), 4 assists, 1 rebound, 3 steals, 7 turnovers
Felton: 14 points (5-17), 10 assists, 2 rebounds, 2 steals, 1 turnover

Noah: 21 points (10-12), 16 rebounds, 3 assists, 4 blocks, 1 turnover
Chandler: 13 points (5-8), 7 rebounds, 2 blocks, 3 turnovers

Of course there's the minutes differential, so if we look at +/-, it could be helpful. Admittedly, Felton took some bad shots in that game, but he still had by far the highest +/- on our team, while Chandler was the only starter with a negative +/- on our team, and had the second lowest of any player (-13). Even putting that aside, it's just hard to give a hammer to someone who can't even stay outta foul trouble against Noah, while still letting him go off like that.

Seems Bush League to me.

[fatlever]

Okafor would not have gotten a gameball for the Chicago game, period.

As for Noah, it wasn't so much the rebounding as it was the scoring; Noah scored a career high, and did so on 83% shooting.

the funny thing is... you have complained about the voting for this game for 3 days yet you chose not to vote.

[Walt Cronkite]

Ham has protested Hammers for multiple seasons now, as I recall.

[W_HAMILTON]

Yep. I wouldn't be able to vote without bias while I watch others vote biasedly, so I don't even participate anymore. Instead of voting for three players I think deserve gameballs, I would be voting in a way to balance out the biased votes, making my vote biased in the process. So, I don't even bother.

[Walt Cronkite]

I think it would add an interesting dynamic.