What it would take to get G. Wallace to ATL next year?

[Mezotarkus]

Joe Johnson is a pretty great player... I guess we're **** on Slam because his trade had Gana going to ATL. Is it not reasonable to assume the only way we'd make a GW trade to a division rival would be because we'd be able to get an asset or get out of a bad contract?? Maybe the silly response is because of Mezo's inclination to overreact in an aggressive way?

I said "That's a terrible trade." That is being "aggressive"? Want me to say "Gee, that trade is sort of kind of not really that good."?

Joe Johnson is such a great player that he has led the Hawks to multiple lottery picks over the years. Joe Johnson is also in the last year of his contract. Let me remind you all this is Charlotte and our ability to sign free agents is not something you want to bet on. To lure him we would have to overpay him - something management is not inclined to do (nor would we want them to). Thus, the proposal showed no real thought about what makes sense for the Bobcats as a team. Hence, "terrible".

[Walt Cronkite]

That wasn't agro, calling Slam a troll was.

No great player has ever played on a team stuck in lottery limbo. Obviously the Hawks many years of poor play was a reflection of Joe Johnson's greatness and not taking Marvin Williams over Chris Paul, Shelden Williams 5th, Acie Law in the lotto, etc...

Wasn't Slam suggesting acquiring a resigned Joe Johnson? Is it not worth it to slightly overpay for Johnson in order to get rid of Diop?

[fatlever]

in the context of our current team i would prefer to have wallace over johnson. i think jax is a poor mans johnson and provides much of what he would bring. nobody duplicated what crash brings.

[Walt Cronkite]

Yea, I don't think a trade really makes sense for either team, as many have mentioned.

[Mezotarkus]

That wasn't agro, calling Slam a troll was.

He was trolling with the disengenuous messages. A spade is a spade.

No great player has ever played on a team stuck in lottery limbo. Obviously the Hawks many years of poor play was a reflection of Joe Johnson's greatness and not taking Marvin Williams over Chris Paul, Shelden Williams 5th, Acie Law in the lotto, etc...

Kevin Durant. Thunder.

Wasn't Slam suggesting acquiring a resigned Joe Johnson? Is it not worth it to slightly overpay for Johnson in order to get rid of Diop?

Yes, lets commit huge bucks to overpay a guy right before the CBA is renegotiated and, by all accounts, will see a drastic reduction in player salaries.

[Walt Cronkite]

That wasn't agro, calling Slam a troll was.

He was trolling with the disengenuous messages. A spade is a spade.

No great player has ever played on a team stuck in lottery limbo. Obviously the Hawks many years of poor play was a reflection of Joe Johnson's greatness and not taking Marvin Williams over Chris Paul, Shelden Williams 5th, Acie Law in the lotto, etc...

Kevin Durant. Thunder.

Can't believe this went over your head. I was making fun of your allegation that no great player has ever been stuck in a situation where the only place they led their team was to multiple lottery picks...

Wasn't Slam suggesting acquiring a resigned Joe Johnson? Is it not worth it to slightly overpay for Johnson in order to get rid of Diop?

Yes, lets commit huge bucks to overpay a guy right before the CBA is renegotiated and, by all accounts, will see a drastic reduction in player salaries.

We're going to be sitting on a couple of fat contracts when the CBA is renegotiated anyway. Johnson is better than Wallace and Jackson, we'd be rid of Diop and we could move Jackson while he still has value.

But whatever, I don't see a logical trade for either team, which is why I didn't post in this thread earlier... I would've just been agreeing with the general consensus. I don't think Slam's trade was as awful as you have written. Long time board members know about Joe Cool being one of Slam's favorites, but I guess to the uninitiated this could be interpreted as "trolling". The ultimate irony, of course, is you accusing another board member of trolling considering the dead horses you come around here to beat...

[Rich4114]

No it's not. It's a great trade. Have you seen Joe Johnson's smile? He has a wonderful smile.

We could really use his smile on this team.

How awesome is it when a forum moderator becomes a forum troll?

You didn't answer if you have seen his smile or not?

Um, I'd appreciate it if you answer my question slam... answer it!

[BigSlam]

Um, I'd appreciate it if you answer my question slam... answer it!

It's taken a full day to digest it mate!!

Sure I'd do it...........so long as we already had a secondary deal in place that moved Dicky - the same way the Bulls did with JR Smith!!

[Mezotarkus]

Kevin Durant. Thunder.

Can't believe this went over your head. I was making fun of your allegation that no great player has ever been stuck in a situation where the only place they led their team was to multiple lottery picks...

Apparently, my post went over yours. I was simply pointing out an example of a good player able to lift a team out of the lottery. When you have Josh Smith, Mike Bibby, and Al Horford and you still can't lift the team out of the lottery you are not a great player and you don't deserve the max either which is what we'd have to give him in the S&T.

But whatever, I don't see a logical trade for either team, which is why I didn't post in this thread earlier... I would've just been agreeing with the general consensus. I don't think Slam's trade was as awful as you have written. Long time board members know about Joe Cool being one of Slam's favorites, but I guess to the uninitiated this could be interpreted as "trolling". The ultimate irony, of course, is you accusing another board member of trolling considering the dead horses you come around here to beat...

The trade was terrible - plain and simple. No one would be left to rebound. We'd be worse defensively. And the trolling I referred to was the irrelevant and irreverent posts here and in the other thread re: Williams.

[thruthefire]

How hasn't Joe Johnson lifted the Hawks out of the lottery? Since the Horford draft, the Hawks haven't been in the lottery. There's not going to be any "regression" this season, either.

I do agree with you on one point, though--Joe Johnson is not worth a max contract.

[Walt Cronkite]

Kevin Durant. Thunder.

Can't believe this went over your head. I was making fun of your allegation that no great player has ever been stuck in a situation where the only place they led their team was to multiple lottery picks...

Apparently, my post went over yours. I was simply pointing out an example of a good player able to lift a team out of the lottery. When you have Josh Smith, Mike Bibby, and Al Horford and you still can't lift the team out of the lottery you are not a great player and you don't deserve the max either which is what we'd have to give him in the S&T.

Al Horford has never missed the playoffs... I don't think we'd be forced to give him the max since he makes a lot less than that already, but k...

But whatever, I don't see a logical trade for either team, which is why I didn't post in this thread earlier... I would've just been agreeing with the general consensus. I don't think Slam's trade was as awful as you have written. Long time board members know about Joe Cool being one of Slam's favorites, but I guess to the uninitiated this could be interpreted as "trolling". The ultimate irony, of course, is you accusing another board member of trolling considering the dead horses you come around here to beat...

The trade was terrible - plain and simple. No one would be left to rebound. We'd be worse defensively. And the trolling I referred to was the irrelevant and irreverent posts here and in the other thread re: Williams.

The trade is not terrible - plain and simple. Chandler's expiring deal and a then obsolete Jax could net someone to rebound. Joe Johnson is a pretty good defender. Respect is earned, so if you think someone is responding to you with irreverence, maybe you should analyze how you are conducting yourself in your posts. You may not realize this, but you are quick to stoop to personal attacks and come off as a gigantic know it all... but you make a lot of mistakes, so it's pretty hard to take that persona seriously. Easiest example is Joe Johnson leading the Hawks to the playoffs for the entirety of Horford and Bibby's tenure with the team.

[Mezotarkus]

The trade is not terrible - plain and simple. Chandler's expiring deal and a then obsolete Jax could net someone to rebound.

You would need another trade to fix the team after the Johnson trade - my point exactly. While you're at it, exactly what "someone" would we trade for that could replace Wallace's rebounding?

Joe Johnson is a pretty good defender.

Wallace is a better defender than Johnson. Thus, we take a hit defensively.

[Walt Cronkite]

Oh. My. God. This isn't my trade. suggestion... I don't want to trade Wallace to the Hawks, my point is only that it isn't "terrible".

Camby? Boozer? Odom? Murphy? Varejao? There are many players available that can replicate Gerald's rebounding... and here's something you'd love-- we'd be getting it from the 4 spot!

Getting into a debate over who is the better defender is pointless. Wallace can make more amazing saves on that end, Joe uses his length and bbiq to bother star wings into playing below their average.

The deal is terrible for the Hawks and they'd only consider it if JJ said he didn't want to play there (by all accounts, not an issue) and then Charlotte was the only club willing to pay his high salary in light of the cba coming up and contracts maybe dropping. THEN, right before Rick Sund lol'd and hit reject trade, Billy Knight blindsides him with a steel chair, accepts the trade, and then rips off his shirt to reveal a Bobcats one.

Seriously, this would neeeever happen because ATL wouldn't ever agree to take on Gana.

[BigSlam]

Seriously, this would neeeever happen because ATL wouldn't ever agree to take on Gana.

Totally agree - which is why I said S&T for Joe Johnson (at a fair price) for Crash and Gana is what it would take.

On top of that, as much as JJ would be the perfect fit for us, Crash wouldn't fit on the Hawks roster (unless they made significant roster changes).

[Walt Cronkite]

Turrible Slam. Just turrible

[BigSlam]

Turrible Slam. Just turrible

Is that a challenge????

[Walt Cronkite]

Spinning backfist!

[BigSlam]

Don't force me to get all silly on you.

[Walt Cronkite]

You're right. This board is for serious business, after all.

[Fred Williamson]

Johnson is an average defender at best. I'm cool with crash and Jax.