GT: Charlotte @ Atlanta 7:30pm

[thruthefire]

So that's what it is like when you have guards that can shoot.

Bibby, JJ, Teague and Crawford combined for 14-44

And the irony is Mezo was firmly against trading for a [re-signed] Joe Johnson.

[BigSlam]

I guess I'm asking if TC looked good or bad tonight. He didn't take any shots, only fouled a couple of times...

He was doing this thing - boxing out, taking up space in the middle. I feel that LB 100% should have gone with him down the stretch.

I did notice him shake his hand at one stage when he went down. I'm expecting to see in the CO that he has banged up his finger and will be out until Dec.

[Stun704]

[Mezotarkus]

So that's what it is like when you have guards that can shoot.

Bibby, JJ, Teague and Crawford combined for 14-44

He was 1 for 1 on that last shot. You know - the one that won the game. And take a gander at their season statistics - 46% and 36% for JJ, 46% and 38% for JC - wouldn't that be nice?

[BigSlam]

So that's what it is like when you have guards that can shoot.

Bibby, JJ, Teague and Crawford combined for 14-44

And take a gander at their season statistics - 46% and 36% for JJ, 46% and 38% for JC - wouldn't that be nice?

And take a gander at their season statistics - 43% and 33% for Jax, 44% and 38% for Felts.

Not exactly apples and oranges.

[BigSlam]

:banghead:

I'm still feeling that way too.

[Mezotarkus]

And take a gander at their season statistics - 43% and 33% for Jax, 44% and 38% for Felts.

Not exactly apples and oranges.

Please tell me you aren't saying you'd rather have Jax and Felton over JJ and JC.

[Rich4114]

I'm still in pain over this one. And the Kings are pitiful. No way we catch the Bucks. We have to pray we just don't end up matched up with Orlando. I think that means avoiding #7.

[Rich4114]

Turns out Felton WAS supposed to foul if he got matched up with the ball handler. They better play angry tomorrow.

[BigSlam]

And take a gander at their season statistics - 43% and 33% for Jax, 44% and 38% for Felts.

Not exactly apples and oranges.

Please tell me you aren't saying you'd rather have Jax and Felton over JJ and JC.

That's not what you asked.

You made a statement implying the Hawks duo are much better shooters than the Bobcats duo.

That has been easily disputed.

On your 2nd topic: I'd much rather JJ than Jax - but that is for reasons that extend past their shooting percentages.

[BigSlam]

I'm still in pain over this one. And the Kings are pitiful. No way we catch the Bucks. We have to pray we just don't end up matched up with Orlando. I think that means avoiding #7.

I saw this:

ATLANTA - Raymond Felton had a memorable offensive night Friday for the Charlotte Bobcats. But it was a defensive lapse - and a mental one, at that - that cost the Bobcats in a 93-92 overtime loss against the Atlanta Hawks in Philips Arena.

With the Bobcats having a foul to give, Felton allowed Atlanta's Joe Johnson to get off an unhindered, game-winning shot as the buzzer sounded at the end of overtime.

"Sometimes the best-laid plans don't seem to work," said Bobcats coach Larry Brown, who had stressed to his team that it still wasn't in the penalty during the timeout that preceded Johnson's game winner.

-snip-

"At one point I forgot about the foul situation," said Felton. "But when I thought about it, it was too late. It was my mistake."

I'm PISSED at Felts for not fouling if that was his instructions - but to suggest the shot was "unhindered" was unfair.

It's not like Felts just stood there and watched JJ take the shot.

Shouldn't have had to come down to that last shot any ways. Jax put us in that position.

[Mezotarkus]

And take a gander at their season statistics - 43% and 33% for Jax, 44% and 38% for Felts.

Not exactly apples and oranges.

Please tell me you aren't saying you'd rather have Jax and Felton over JJ and JC.

That's not what you asked.

You made a statement implying the Hawks duo are much better shooters than the Bobcats duo.

That has been easily disputed.

No, you just seem to be easily baffled by statistics. JJ and JC take more jumpshots than Jackson or Felton. Thus, thus their fg% is not as padded by high percentage layups and close ups as Jackson and Felton. Johnson has an eFG% from jumpshots of 47.9% this year. Crawford has an eFG% of 49.6% from jumpshots this year. Jackson's eFG% from jumpshots is 42.6% and Felton's is 43.1%. JJ and JC are clearly better shooters than Jackson and Felton.

[BigSlam]

No, you just seem to be easily baffled by statistics. JJ and JC take more jumpshots than Jackson or Felton. Thus, thus their fg% is not as padded by high percentage layups and close ups as Jackson and Felton. Johnson has an eFG% from jumpshots of 47.9% this year. Crawford has an eFG% of 49.6% from jumpshots this year. Jackson's eFG% from jumpshots is 42.6% and Felton's is 43.1%. JJ and JC are clearly better shooters than Jackson and Felton.

So now, because your original statement has been debunked, you flip from fg% - a stat you introduce to try and prove a point that didn't hold water - to eFG%.............and pass off scoring in the paint as "padding".

Interesting.

[Mezotarkus]

No, you just seem to be easily baffled by statistics. JJ and JC take more jumpshots than Jackson or Felton. Thus, thus their fg% is not as padded by high percentage layups and close ups as Jackson and Felton. Johnson has an eFG% from jumpshots of 47.9% this year. Crawford has an eFG% of 49.6% from jumpshots this year. Jackson's eFG% from jumpshots is 42.6% and Felton's is 43.1%. JJ and JC are clearly better shooters than Jackson and Felton.

So now, because your original statement has been debunked, you flip from fg% - a stat you introduce to try and prove a point that didn't hold water - to eFG%.............and pass off scoring in the paint as "padding".

Interesting.

Johnson beat us with a jumpshot. I said "so thats what its like when you have guards that can shoot." Thinking you, like most of the rational world, understood when you say something is a "good shooter" that does not mean the person can hit layups (e.g., Shaq has a great FG% but that does not mean he is a good shooter) but rather they are a good jump shooter I didnt think the comment needed much elaboration. 82games was down last night when I went there to grab eFG% from jumpshots so I grabbed FG% from nba.com since really anyone that knows basketball knows JJ and JC are better shooters than Jackson or Felton. But since you apparently need everything spelled out for you and 82games was up this morning I posted the eFG% that clearly shows what everyone else (but you apparently) already knows. If you are feeling butt-hurt for this or some other trouncing or are still pitching a fit because we lost the game then fine - but it looks rather petty.

[BigSlam]

Jackson has taken 1,062 fga's this season for the Bobcats over 59 games. Of those, 293 have been 3pt fga's.

Johnson has taken 1,211 fga's this season for the Hawks over 66 games. Of those, 301 have been 3pt fga's.

If you average Jackson's games played to 66 to match Johnsons, Jackson would have taken 1,188 fga's and of those 327 would have been 3pt fga's.

But Jackson only scores on layups and dunks.

[Walt Cronkite]

DANG! Slammer hittin ya with some projected averages!

[Mezotarkus]

Jackson has taken 1,062 fga's this season for the Bobcats over 59 games. Of those, 293 have been 3pt fga's.

Johnson has taken 1,211 fga's this season for the Hawks over 66 games. Of those, 301 have been 3pt fga's.

If you average Jackson's games played to 66 to match Johnsons, Jackson would have taken 1,188 fga's and of those 327 would have been 3pt fga's.

But Jackson only scores on layups and dunks.

I didn't say Jackson "only scores on layups and dunks" did I? You are looking very desperate. As I said, Jackson and Felton score proportionally more with close shots than JJ and JC. 65% of Jackson's shots this year have been jumpshots. This figure is 64% for Felton. Johnson's figure is 80% and JC's is 82%. Clearly, the statistics show I am correct in my assertion that Jackson and Felton score proportionately more with higher percentage layups, drives and dunks than JJ and JC. Their eFG% for these close shots are non surprisingly significantly higher than their low eFG% for jumpshots.

I said JJ and JC are better shooters than Jackson and Felton. I have provided statistics to support this. I am right. You are wrong.

I said JJ and JC take more jumpshots as a percentage of their shots than Jackson and Felton. I have provided statistics to support this. I am right. You are wrong.

Give it up.

[thruthefire]

So that's what it is like when you have guards that can shoot.

Bibby, JJ, Teague and Crawford combined for 14-44

He was 1 for 1 on that last shot. You know - the one that won the game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyVeOkd-AHs
"Hey, I resemble that remark!"

[Rich4114]

He was 1 for 1 on that last shot. You know - the one that won the game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyVeOkd-AHs
"Hey, I resemble that remark!"[/quote]

That was outstanding. We didn't have the luxury of waiting till last second to take a shot though because of being down by 1. Thanks to JJ's previous 3pter and Jax launching 5 rim jobs.

[SAUCERY_SWEET]

A lot of you were talking **** about my boy JJ before he put a cap in that ass in the 4th quarter and OT. Jordan approved with the head nod at the end. I LOL.