Rockets Fan Trade Offer For Crash

zapatasblood · Post #1 » by **zapatasblood** » Sun Jul 4, 2010 8:48 am

I am a Rocket fan but I am also a fan of Gerald Wallace so I wondering if the Bobcats are still interested in trading him? I always hear about him on the trade block and i would love to see him in a Rocket jersey.

My thought was:
Rockets get: Gerald Wallace, Tyrus Thomas, and what ever expiring contract to make the money match (Nazr Mohammed). Rockets need defense in the post and on the perimeter

Bobcats get: Ariza, Luis Scola, Kyle Lowry, and one or two future 1st round picks
Bobcats are going to lose Felton, so they need a back up or starter. Lowry is a damn good player that knows his strengths and weakness. His mid-range game is alright and he has weak three point shot but he rarely shots any. He is a point that take it to the rim and get on the line but would rather pass first unlike D.J. Which he would also be a good change of pace from D.J. None of your bigs can really put up points or even score in the post. Scola can play 10-15 ft from the basket and has a vast amount of moves that allow him to score in the post. He is a lot like David Lee of the NYK. Ariza is a good player all around and gives yall something else you lack and that is a swingman that can knock down threes. Steven knock down threes but is better playing in the midrange. Ariza is also a good passer and rebound but again not a good as Gerald.

Now this is something i hope my Rockets are up to doing if we do not land Chris Bosh.

Post #2 » by **Diop** » Sun Jul 4, 2010 8:51 am

Wallace was never on the trade block, you might of heard that other teams would like to have him. Thats about it.

He is pretty much untouchable.

Fred Williamson · Post #3 » by **Fred Williamson** » Sun Jul 4, 2010 8:56 am

no chance. Crash will only get traded if we get a proven all star in return who can take us to the next level, guys like Melo or Chris Paul. Otherwise, yeah, he's pretty much untouchable.

zapatasblood · Post #4 » by **zapatasblood** » Sun Jul 4, 2010 9:14 am

He was on the block just summer and i do think he may be untouchable for the most part since Brown loves him and talked the management office (MJ) to no trade him. I think after the last season he had he made MJ fall in love with him to. I am sure it would take maybe a Jordan Hill also in that trade but Morey is hell bent on not trading him. The Rockets do not have a true star but Gerald Wallace is not a star so it would not a star to pry him away from the Bobcat. It would take a package the would help them build for the future (1st Round Picks), prospects, and good veterans to help them in the short run. No Long in the tooth type vets but someone like Lowry and Scola in the middle of their prime.

Charlottehoops · Post #5 » by **Charlottehoops** » Sun Jul 4, 2010 11:16 am

zapatasblood wrote:He was on the block just summer and i do think he may be untouchable for the most part since Brown loves him and talked the management office (MJ) to no trade him. I think after the last season he had he made MJ fall in love with him to. I am sure it would take maybe a Jordan Hill also in that trade but Morey is hell bent on not trading him. The Rockets do not have a true star but Gerald Wallace is not a star so it would not a star to pry him away from the Bobcat. It would take a package the would help them build for the future (1st Round Picks), prospects, and good veterans to help them in the short run. No Long in the tooth type vets but someone like Lowry and Scola in the middle of their prime.

Once again to reiterate my man. Gerald was not on the trading block last summer or any other summer. There was speculation in the MEDIA that Larry might want to trade Gerald. This was because when Larry first joined the organization people thought Gerald was not a LB kind of player. Gerald's hard work, and willingness to improve quickly disproved that.

Gerald is not a star? 18pts. 10rbs. is not a star in your eyes? Paul Pierce averaged 18 and 4 this year. Tim Duncan only averaged 17. Dwight Howard only edged him by 3 rebounds averaging 18 and 13 this season. Scottie Pippen one of the 50 greatest players of all time only averaged 16 and 5 for his career. Maybe YOU don't consider him a star, but it is going to take one to pry him out of Charlotte buddy.

Post #6 » by **BigSlam** » Sun Jul 4, 2010 12:54 pm

I like Scola and don't mind Lowry (at the right price) but Ariza is awful.

I wouldn't trade Crash straight up for those three, let alone add in Tyrus.

(p.s. changed your thread title so peeps knew what they were looking at)

Mezotarkus · Post #7 » by **Mezotarkus** » Sun Jul 4, 2010 1:39 pm

Wallace is a star but frankly his personality does not lend itself to him being the leader of a team. Let's face it. As I see it, Wallace could have easily replaced Scottie Pippen on all those Bulls teams and performed as well as Pippen as the premier supporting cast member to Jordan. His game is not precisely like Pippens' but there are similarities. He has the motor, quickness and wiry defensive toughness Pippen had. That being said, I, like others here, wouldn't go for this deal for the reasons already stated.

Marino · Post #8 » by **Marino** » Sun Jul 4, 2010 5:52 pm

Wallace won't be traded for that. And to add Tyrus to that makes it laughable at best.

Jaruff · Post #9 » by **Jaruff** » Sun Jul 4, 2010 6:29 pm

I actually would trade Crash to the Rockets, but not for the deal that was proposed.

CHA: Aaron Brooks, Shane Battier, Jared Jeffries, 2011 1st Round Pick, and the right to swap NY's pick next year.
HOU: Gerald Wallace, Tyrus Thomas, Diop

Houston gets Thomas, Wallace, and a third string center if Yao gets hurt. We get nearly 14m in expiring salaries and a rising star at PG. Battier and Jeffries are both solid defensive players as well.

If Houston was to offer that, I'd accept it on the spot.

zapatasblood · Post #10 » by **zapatasblood** » Sun Jul 4, 2010 11:01 pm

Jaruff wrote:I actually would trade Crash to the Rockets, but not for the deal that was proposed.

CHA: Aaron Brooks, Shane Battier, Jared Jeffries, 2011 1st Round Pick, and the right to swap NY's pick next year.
HOU: Gerald Wallace, Tyrus Thomas, Diop

I like that trade but i would only do it If Nazr Mohammed rather then Diop. I only threw out Lowry out the there because D.J. and AB games are the same. Personally I am one of the few people that like Lowry over AB. Also one of the very few that think that AB and Martin cannot coexist in the same backcourt. Me being someone that like defense over a high power offense would rather have a Lowry over AB. Another reason is Houston would go bat **** crazy if they trade AB. That trade would also allow us to make a another move down the line.

zapatasblood · Post #11 » by **zapatasblood** » Sun Jul 4, 2010 11:40 pm

Gerald is not a star? 18pts. 10rbs. is not a star in your eyes? Paul Pierce averaged 18 and 4 this year. Tim Duncan only averaged 17. Dwight Howard only edged him by 3 rebounds averaging 18 and 13 this season. Scottie Pippen one of the 50 greatest players of all time only averaged 16 and 5 for his career. Maybe YOU don't consider him a star, but it is going to take one to pry him out of Charlotte buddy.[/quote]

I still say Gerald is not a star like the rest of your team. Now don't take that as insult because I do like the Bobcats and how they are built right now and the way the Bobcats are built all you would need is a dominate post player to be a major force in the East. Being a Texas fan i like D.J., and Steven Jackson was a player i was hoping the Rockets would have gotten but the Bobcats got him. The Bobcats are a team that is built with solid, scrapy, junkyard dog type role players and that is a good foundation to a future powerhouse.

Now the reason why i say he is not yet a star:
1.) One damn good season does not make you a star.
2.) Wallace has had problems with injuries which is why most people no longer consider Yao a true allstar.
3.) Gerald had his first allstar invite this year
4.) He is not the leader of that team. Jackson is the leader the only player that i would consider a true star
Those players you have mentioned have been putting up big numbers for years now and have at least one ring (Not Howard) and been to the Finals or made several deep playoff runs. They were the key to them winning in the playoffs and a ring. Also have multiple Allstar appearances plus are Allstar starters. They also are past first team and second team all NBA players. Or they are or were NBA favorites around the League and fans. Oh yeah Pippen played big in big games and has six NBA Title Rings.

Post #12 » by **fatlever** » Mon Jul 5, 2010 2:14 am

i wouldnt consider crash a star. he's at best a fantastic role player or good wingman. ideally crash is the #3 option on a championship level team and the teams energy guy and defensive stopper. when i think stars, i think of guys you can build your franchise around. crash isnt quite on that level. but really its just a matter of what your definition of a star is.

M4P · Post #13 » by **M4P** » Mon Jul 5, 2010 3:10 am

zapatasblood wrote:Now the reason why i say he is not yet a star:
1.) One damn good season does not make you a star.
2.) Wallace has had problems with injuries which is why most people no longer consider Yao a true allstar.
3.) Gerald had his first allstar invite this year
4.) He is not the leader of that team. Jackson is the leader the only player that i would consider a true star
Those players you have mentioned have been putting up big numbers for years now and have at least one ring (Not Howard) and been to the Finals or made several deep playoff runs. They were the key to them winning in the playoffs and a ring. Also have multiple Allstar appearances plus are Allstar starters. They also are past first team and second team all NBA players. Or they are or were NBA favorites around the League and fans. Oh yeah Pippen played big in big games and has six NBA Title Rings.

Wallace has been underrated for mostly his entire career. Have you looked at his past seasons? Allstar invites don't mean squat and have become a joke ever since Mo Williams got invited. It's laughable for you to consider Jackson a star and Wallace not. Wallace is probably on par with Jackson offensively and is unanimously considered the better defender and rebounder.

This idea was shot down by Rocket fans as well since both teams got essentially nothing out of it.

zapatasblood · Post #14 » by **zapatasblood** » Mon Jul 5, 2010 5:04 am

Wallace has been underrated for mostly his entire career. Have you looked at his past seasons? Allstar invites don't mean squat and have become a joke ever since Mo Williams got invited. It's laughable for you to consider Jackson a star and Wallace not. Wallace is probably on par with Jackson offensively and is unanimously considered the better defender and rebounder.

This idea was shot down by Rocket fans as well since both teams got essentially nothing out of it.[/quote]
I know and like a said it was wishful thinking. Rocket fans shoot it down the they were giving up to much and Bobcats fans shot it down for they were giving up to much.
Mo Williams has on invited and deserved to go for he put uo nice numbers. Allstar invites do mean something for the most part. If they don't then why do a NBA Writers make a big deal about how many one player has gotten. Writers that are just only associated and by the NBA make a big deal of Allstar appearance. They make a bigger deal about who got an appearance over the game itself. Like said before the Bobcats have no true star but i would consider Jackson. Plus i threw out many other reason other then Allstar appearance. Gerald has another season like he he did this year and he would a Star. One season does not make a star but a bunch of season over period of time.

DY_nasty · Post #15 » by **DY_nasty** » Mon Jul 5, 2010 8:24 am

for what its worth, i'm more than open to trading wallace

just not for anything that the rockets have

Post #16 » by **BigSlam** » Mon Jul 5, 2010 1:35 pm

DY_nasty wrote:for what its worth, i'm more than open to trading wallace

just not for anything that the rockets have

Ditto.

Post #17 » by **Diop** » Mon Jul 5, 2010 1:38 pm

DY_nasty wrote:for what its worth, i'm more than open to trading wallace

just not for anything that the rockets have

Apart from Ming

Charlottehoops · Post #18 » by **Charlottehoops** » Mon Jul 5, 2010 2:40 pm

" but really its just a matter of what your definition of a star is."

Gerald is a star. The definition you guys are judging him by is superstar. There are stars in every nba generation. You guys are comparing him to guys who are going to be hall of famers. This season was not a surprise. Gerald has been steadily getting better every year since he got off Sacramento's bench. He has been putting up similar number for the last couple years. Fatleaver I am surprised that you would fall for that. You said Gerald would be the third guy on a championship team. The last time I checked generally took three stars to win a championship.

DY_nasty · Post #19 » by **DY_nasty** » Mon Jul 5, 2010 4:58 pm

Sachmo wrote:Apart from Ming

to an extent, big guys with foot problems are something to be cautious about though.

I'd rather see Crash finish his career here than see yao's name get added to the list of seven footers who've had their careers cut short by foot ailments...

It doesn't take 3 stars to win a championship either, not sure who the Lakers' 3rd guy is... he's been missing from their last two trophy runs. As a matter of fact, the last 3 champs proved that you don't even really need a bench either.

I think 2b is the highest Crash could get on the totem pole.

doc.end · Post #20 » by **doc.end** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 1:17 pm

What an ugly thread.