Something big in the works?

[Rich4114]

So I was just reading Bonnell's blog about the Dampier rules. We can't combine him with any other player in a trade for 60 days (I'm sure people have mentioned this here). I thought it just couldn't be with the players he was traded with for some reason.

BUT, the salaries do match up perfectly if we did a swap of Wallace + Augustine (~13m) for Okafor and Paul (~26m) which puts us well over the cap until BAM we don't even move Dampier we just wave him and his $13m putting us back under the cap and thus saving the Hornets $13m in room this season plus ridding themselves of Okafor's big contract.

The pessimists ask why would NO trade Paul for that nonsense?

#1. It's an EC team that will never be in their way
#2. They have Collison
#3. Shinn
#4. They'd probably lose Paul anyway to FA
#5. They're getting Wallace back, a local product with one of the best contracts in the NBA.

If you look at how the hornets did last year, they'd basically be putting the same thing out on the court + Wallace (since Paul was out most of the year).

Sure, I'm taking the overly optimistic point of view. But I also remember doing this with J-Rich when a few of us were calling for that to happen and then it did.

Every year some team gets raped helping another team improve significantly. Maybe this year it could be ours? Why did Memphis trade Pau Gasol for 3 cents on the dollar to the LA Lakers? These types of things CAN happen, have faith!

OK, I'm going to sleep. This **** is dominating my week, lol.

[doc.end]

Sleep? LOL, I've already got up, beauty of the timezones.

I'm no expert but i think that can't be done. To be able to absorb 13M more, we would need to be under the cap which we surely are not (right now). You could of course do separate trades Dampier for Paul and anything that works and makes them happy.

[Fred Williamson]

I just woke up and didn't check RoF yet, any big announcements from our two insiders?

[doc.end]

I'm not believeing those "only four players will remain Bobcats" BS but the reasoning behind those supposed trades would be intriguing. We are surely not done tweaking our roster, so any material for speculation is a welcomed topic to discuss I guess. They may even have some info and just adding made things. At the end it will probably be just as moot discussion as if we would discussed like Bobcats would looked like if we've got Kobe. That contenders stuff is overblown, but then again what looks like bordeline contending team to one is first round exit for another - I wouldn't ruled out some significant moves which could makes better (or more hit or miss) or at the contrary a bit of lateral moves filling holes in our roster.

The thing why some of us are inclined to een care about it is the thing we are at the dooors of luxury tax and there is little space for further moves to let our offseason make sense. And then again MJ said he would hit the luxury tax, if the mvoe would makes us contending. So it may be we are trying to get something big done, how realistic is that's another story while having a plan B to simply cut costs with a help uf Dampier's contract. Those things are of course pretty obvious and it may be just getiing 1+1 together instead of having insider info.

I'm surely disgusted on RoF tries to play a sympathy card as a way to get out if nothing happens.

[doc.end]

I just woke up and didn't check RoF yet, any big announcements from our two insiders?

Backing off claiming to get BS and even threatening emails, structuring it like it came from other Bobcats sites (or what was the term they used). May be sincere but then again none of us have access to their mails, so that's still a cheapshot.

Just checked BCP if there is something new/interesting and they are pretty crazy and angry cause RoF. I still believe if the "info" guys got some really nasty mails, it is most probably from some random lurker not a regular poster anywhere.

[doc.end]

Just pointing out Raps actually did get Dwayne Jones from Phoenix so there is a chance we will trade Daiw for him (straight up).

[Tupik]

If we do get Paul and Melo, I'd have to spend 3 days cleaning my pants.

[Bassman]

I see no way (even in a dream state) we could get both CP3 and Melo. Come on! Two absolute studs, who alone would typically command an all-star in return plus 1st round picks, and we get BOTH??? It's just not sane thinking.

I can see the potential to obtain Paul and Okafor via our goodies, although that will also probably require some future picks (will we ever draft again...?)

[Tupik]

I certainly don't think it's even slightly probable that we get them, but a man can dream.

[daidalos]

I don't really think anyting big is happening.

And I do not think we get Melo and CP3.

If we can get CP3 than all of the hate for MJ as a GM should be excused.

I could only imagine a big trade for Baron Davis and Chris Kaman.

For example

Diaw + DJ + 2nd rounder for Kaman
Dampier for Davis

We would have a decent starting five with Kaman/Thomas/Wallace/Jackson/Davis with OK backups. With that we should be a powerful playoff team.

The Clippers would dump about 50 million in salary after missing all the top free agents. They could go on a rebuilding mode with a lot of young players (Griffin, Gordon, DJ, Jordan, Aminu, Bledsoe) and a ton of salary cap (after waiving Dampier they are under the minimum salary limit)

But I do not think the Clips will do it, and maybe Baron wouldn't wanna play here.

[daidalos]

I just went through on the salary numbers at storytellerscontract.info and we are not even close to luxury tax if we add livingston with 3,5 million than we have 63,5 m salary with the tax limit at 70 m.

But Portland is a trading partner candidate. They already have 75 million in salary.

If I stay realistic than I only can imagine a

Dampier for Miller, Przybilla, 1st rounder

As the best trade we could make! Even with that we have abut 65 million so we can sign some players (Hughes, Graham, Collins, Jawai, Miles) for small contracts (MLE, Vet Min)

With that we would have

Przybilla/Nazr/Diop/(Jawai)
T2/Diaw/Najera/(Miles)
Crash/UPS/(Graham)
Jax/Hendo/Carroll/(Hughes)
Miller/DJ/Livingston/(Collins)

[fatlever]

seems like all the hype has simmered down quite a bit. perfect example of why i try to never get too excited or disappointed about rumors, even when that have a link from a credible source.

that being said, if RoF guys are getting hate mails than that is a sad thing. this stuff is supposed to be fun. i would certainly hope that non of our regular posters were posting nasty things over there or sending hate mail.

[SwaggyB]

Just pointing out Raps actually did get Dwayne Jones from Phoenix so there is a chance we will trade Daiw for him (straight up).

I might be wrong, but I think the Raptors were genuinely interested in acquiring Tyson Chandler. I think if the interest was just for Diaw, that something could have been worked out. It is a possible trade, depending on the relationship between the two teams. Some Raps fans seem to think we'll never deal with Charlotte again, but if a deal makes our team better... we're likely going to do it regardless of how our relationship with the other team is, so I don't buy that. I see it being more likely that we just waive Jones, unless Colangelo has that big of a mancrush on Diaw. Guess we'll see soon enough.

[SwaggyB]

I don't really think anyting big is happening.

And I do not think we get Melo and CP3.

If we can get CP3 than all of the hate for MJ as a GM should be excused.

I could only imagine a big trade for Baron Davis and Chris Kaman.

For example

Diaw + DJ + 2nd rounder for Kaman
Dampier for Davis

We would have a decent starting five with Kaman/Thomas/Wallace/Jackson/Davis with OK backups. With that we should be a powerful playoff team.

The Clippers would dump about 50 million in salary after missing all the top free agents. They could go on a rebuilding mode with a lot of young players (Griffin, Gordon, DJ, Jordan, Aminu, Bledsoe) and a ton of salary cap (after waiving Dampier they are under the minimum salary limit)

But I do not think the Clips will do it, and maybe Baron wouldn't wanna play here.

I agree with all the points until you got to Kaman. While I think it's possible they trade him, I think they would wait and see how well the team meshes before they explore that option. I think the Clippers could be a much improved team this year, and with Kaman in his prime, I think he has more value than DJ+Diaw+2nd Rounder. But then again, they are really cheap so who knows. But I can see it being much more likely that they would trade Davis. If you could get Kaman though, or both of them, I think it would be a great move, and definitely push you up a few seeds, but it's likely going to take a bit more than that.

[doc.end]

seems like all the hype has simmered down quite a bit. perfect example of why i try to never get too excited or disappointed about rumors, even when that have a link from a credible source.

that being said, if RoF guys are getting hate mails than that is a sad thing. this stuff is supposed to be fun. i would certainly hope that non of our regular posters were posting nasty things over there or sending hate mail.

According to BCP guys there is 24 hours period after registration when you cannot post.

[bobcats3wallace]

Can anyone confrim that we can only trade Dampier by himself? Even if that is the case we could just do a series of two trades. We would not be able to take back 13 million because we are not under the cap and Dampier does not work as a TPE. We coudl do this though:

Dampier + Future first for CP3; DJ + Wallace for Okafor

My guess is, in that scenario the first trade we would hear about is the Okafor one. If that happens, people should start to get excited because the CP3 deal would likley be RIGHT behind it.

But again, if anyone could confirm that we can only trade Dampier by himself, that would be appreciated.

[SwaggyB]

Can anyone confrim that we can only trade Dampier by himself? Even if that is the case we could just do a series of two trades. We would not be able to take back 13 million because we are not under the cap and Dampier does not work as a TPE. We coudl do this though:

Dampier + Future first for CP3; DJ + Wallace for Okafor

My guess is, in that scenario the first trade we would hear about is the Okafor one. If that happens, people should start to get excited because the CP3 deal would likley be RIGHT behind it.

But again, if anyone could confirm that we can only trade Dampier by himself, that would be appreciated.

Consider this confirmation. The only way you can trade him with anyone else, is by waiting 60 days

[BigSlam]

There seems to be a lot of kris-kross (will make you, jump, jump) between this thread, the "Ideas for Turning Dampier Into Something Useful" thread and the "The Most Logical Trades We Can Make" thread.

I'm thinking a mega merge might be in order - unless guys what to keep things thread specific?

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

Just pointing out Raps actually did get Dwayne Jones from Phoenix so there is a chance we will trade Daiw for him (straight up).

I might be wrong, but I think the Raptors were genuinely interested in acquiring Tyson Chandler. I think if the interest was just for Diaw, that something could have been worked out. It is a possible trade, depending on the relationship between the two teams. Some Raps fans seem to think we'll never deal with Charlotte again, but if a deal makes our team better... we're likely going to do it regardless of how our relationship with the other team is, so I don't buy that. I see it being more likely that we just waive Jones, unless Colangelo has that big of a mancrush on Diaw. Guess we'll see soon enough.

Raps fans obviously were ... and I don't think they had a clue how poorly he played over 82 games last year. I'm less convinced that any professional NBA management team would be serious about Chandler as a full time center who would actually play this coming year. His contract had & still has far more value as a tradeable asset than he has value as a player at this point. Maybe TC will prove me wrong, but I think that he's mostly done as a player.

[BigSlam]

Because this totally flamed out and appears to be bogus we are locking this thread down.