Philly and Hornets Trade - An Opening for Us? (idea)

[BigSlam]

Kapono isn't any good now. Even DJ shot better than he did last season, and we've already got our 'just stand in the corner and hit 3s' guy in Matt Carroll.

But Kapono is an expiring (like Nazr) and we need Speights as a young center (for now and our future), even more than Henderson.

Except Speights isn't a center. We've already got a guy who plays a similar face up way at the same position in Tyrus - and he just got paid.

I don't see Tyrus and Speights as being similar types of players at all.

[ohara]

I am still so burned out over all the trade speculation with the Dust Chip, only to have him cut. I was thinking about a response to all that was posted above, and nothing came out of me except a fart. Too bad I couldn't post it for you. I am taking a break from trade speculation for a couple of weeks.

[SWedd523]

I see them as being opposites. Defensive (Tyrus) and Offensive (Speights) talents that could mesh well together as a formidable two man unit for the foreseeable future. Both of which are athletic and long enough to man the 5 spot in certain situations.


I see the desire, and I'd do it. But it would totally hinge on moving Diaw for some sort of dependable, true Center (I don't think the Vanilla Gorilla is a possibility since he's injured)

[Stun704]

I like the idea of trading for Hawes as well.

[Jaruff]

I like the idea of trading for Hawes as well.

I do too, more than Speights actually. I've watched several of his Sacramento games, the guy shoots well. His defense is poor but Tyrus could make up for that.

[BigSlam]

I like the idea of trading for Hawes as well.

Agreed Stun, I like me some Hawes too - but I think the Sixers are pretty high on him where as Speights might be out of favor a little and more attainable.

[dmutombo321]

The mere mention of Hawes stings because he was basically there for the taking this summer.

Sac wanted a more defensive oriented 5 and the sixers sent them Dalembert's expiring in exchange for Hawes and Nocioni's deal which runs two more years at 6.8 mil per.

Had our genius FO bothered to make an inquiry, I'm sure Sac would have been equally happy with Chandler (who is Dalembert's equal defensively) and we could have even thrown in Lexi to boot.

We would have had a young center in Hawes. And Nocioni >>>> Caroll/Najara talent wise and is cheaper.

At any rate, a center like Hawes who is well versed offensively, is a great passer but who struggles defensively would have been perfect to put next to Tyrus. He would have given us a good post scorer and we would still have had Nazr/Diop to serve as bangers/defenders off the bench.

But that ship sailed and Philly is unlikely to part with him for anything we have.

[Jaruff]

The mere mention of Hawes stings because he was basically there for the taking this summer.

Sac wanted a more defensive oriented 5 and the sixers sent them Dalembert's expiring in exchange for Hawes and Nocioni's deal which runs two more years at 6.8 mil per.

Had our genius FO bothered to make an inquiry, I'm sure Sac would have been equally happy with Chandler (who is Dalembert's equal defensively) and we could have even thrown in Lexi to boot.

We would have had a young center in Hawes. And Nocioni >>>> Caroll/Najara talent wise and is cheaper.

I totally agree. Noc makes less than Carroll/Najera combined and he's a legitimate role player. He didn't play much in Sacramento because they wanted to play the younger guys. Also means that we would not have had to bring in McGuire and could have signed Flip or Hughes to backup Jax and maybe eventually be third string if Henderson showed some kind of majestic grace.

The possibilities.

[BigSlam]

We would have had a young center in Hawes. And Nocioni >>>> Caroll/Najara talent wise and is cheaper.

No way would I want Hawes if it meant having to take on Nocioni.

[dmutombo321]

We would have had a young center in Hawes. And Nocioni >>>> Caroll/Najara talent wise and is cheaper.

No way would I want Hawes if it meant having to take on Nocioni.

Not now of course. But I was talking about the mistake they made in not giving them Chandler for Hawes/Nocioni.

You dont agree that Nocioni would have been preferable to the Carroll/Najara contracts we took on for Chandler??

Not only is Nocioni better than those two collectively talent wise but he is cheaper ($13.4 mil remaining vs. $17.1 owed to carroll/najara) and has fewer years left on his contract

I would gladly have taken on Nocioni in a Chandler deal for Hawes over the DUST/Caroll/Najara we got in return.

[BigSlam]

We would have had a young center in Hawes. And Nocioni >>>> Caroll/Najara talent wise and is cheaper.

No way would I want Hawes if it meant having to take on Nocioni.

Not now of course. But I was talking about the mistake they made in not giving them Chandler for Hawes/Nocioni.

I wouldn't have made that trade.

But this thread is about Speights, if he would help us and if we have what it would take to trade for him - so lets get back to those topics.

[JDuaneWayne]

by Jaruff on Thu Sep 23, 2010 1:31 pm

JDuaneWayne wrote:
I'm convinced Jaruff would trade Hendo for a sack of rotten potatoes just to do it!

I sure would, especially if those potatoes included Kapono.

by DY_nasty on Thu Sep 23, 2010 2:12 pm

I have no clue as to why any sane person would move Henderson for Kapono...

Has anyone actually seen Kapono play recently?

He vastly overvalues the white basketball player who can't play defense, can't drive, can't handle the rock, but can hit some occassional 3s in garbage time, all while thinking Kapono and Hammer can lead us to the promised land.

Let's just make these trades so our team can be as follows:
PG - Steve Blake
SG - Matt Carroll
SF - Andres Nocioni
PF - Tyler Hansbrough
C - Spencer Hawes
Bench - Jason Kapono, Primoz Brezec, Walter Hermann, Brian Scalabrine, Brian Cardinal

Let's face it we aren't getting David Lee, Dirk Nowtiski, Chris Kaman, Kirk Hinrich or Steve Nash

[Jaruff]

I never said Kapono and Hammer can lead us anywhere but do you honestly think that Gerald Henderson can? With Jax here for three more years, do you honestly believe that he will receive the opportunity to blossom if he even had the ability to do so?

Kapono's an expiring and a nice wing for situational plays. That saves us money. If you can bring in a young center like Speights AND an expiring contract in return, you do it. Especially if we're just having to give up Nazr + Henderson. The contract is more valuable than the player. The player is an added bonus.

Now, if Philly wanted us to take Speights and Noc for Nazr and Henderson today, I would have some reservations with our current cap situation. To be honest, I wouldn't make that move because giving 6m to Noc for two years along with our current contracted reserves isn't the best financial decision to make.

[JDuaneWayne]

Speights can't really play Center except spot minutes and isn't the answer from what I've seen. I think we will most likely have to draft our big man now with making Tyrus our 4 of the future. The 4 and the 5 have to compliment each other that's why trading for Eddy Curry 10-15 games into the season isn't unfathomable to me as long as he shows he can still play. He's the perfect compliment to Tyrus. Speights is not so a definite pass.

As far as Hendo is concerned we haven't seen enough of him to make judgement yet, not all players come out and shine right away. He played an exceptional game last year against Kobe and the Lakers. Jax might not play for 3 more years, I imagine if we don't make the playoffs this year and have no moves in mind to improve the team he will want out. There are plenty of borderline contenders that will take him. So without a viable backup Hendo isn't going anywhere unless it's a trade we just can refuse and right now there are none of those available.