Knicks Fan Perspective of the Bobcats

[BigSlam]

Maybe I could just get fatter, chicken wing my jump shot, go into hero mode at the worst times, unlearn how to run and pick and roll but so long as I keep my nose clean get a 22 million dollar 3 year contract from the Knicks?

[Punk]

i agree that management should demand boris get in better shape. however, on the court boris has been solid most nights. there is no question though that if he was in fantastic shape he could be much better. however, thats never going to happen.

Well in that case, Tyrus should start. He seems to add life around Wallace and Jackson all three are playing together.

Maybe, you guys could get Ben Wallace. He would fit in with the system and I think he signed a 2 year deal.

the only problem with tyrus starting is his foul trouble. he has been picking up stupid fouls early in games. i think LB is afraid that if he starts tyrus he would get 2 quick fouls and spend the rest of the half on the bench.

We have the same problem with Turiaf and Mozgov but they still help in the paint. I think he should try that atleast once or twice.

Well you're not looking at it from our point of view. If Slam only watched 2 Knicks games all season long and went into the Knicks forum and posted "Bobcats Fan Perpective of the Knicks" and said Gallo is mediocre, you have no bench and Felton is a big waste of time because he won't win you any games in the playoffs, if he said stuff like that you can bet your ass he would get clobbered a million times worse by Knicks fans.

Goes to show how much you all know. I've followed almost every game of the Cats this season, so I've seen how you all played. Matter fact, I'm gonna watch the game on ESPN tonight too.

[Fred Williamson]

Quite sad indeed, that the guy comes here to post an observational Thread in a polite manner, and you (as a Mod) greet him like that.

well, I get the same treatment from posters and fellow mods on the Knicks board when I'm posting over there. just saying...

[Charsace]

Maybe I could just get fatter, chicken wing my jump shot, go into hero mode at the worst times, unlearn how to run and pick and roll but so long as I keep my nose clean get a 22 million dollar 3 year contract from the Knicks?

As long as you can put up 18 and 9 and have some big scoring games then that would be ok. You're in denial if you think Felton has been playing bad this season. He carved up the bobcats 2 games in a row and that's a fact.

[Clincher]

Quite sad indeed, that the guy comes here to post an observational Thread in a polite manner, and you (as a Mod) greet him like that.

well, I get the same treatment from posters and fellow mods on the Knicks board when I'm posting over there. just saying...

No diss against your guys traffic or anything but there are just so many more posters on the Knicks board than Cats board that you are bound to get a run in with some bad posters. Same with the Bulls and Raps board, there's good posters there(Except vs the Knicks since the boards are enemies alot of the time....especially when CHI had our picks via the Curry deal. Nasty, nasty times) but there's bad apples too.

As far as Felton goes...the old saying that fits this situation best:

"One man's(Or team's) trash is another man's treasure".

Felton may have been underachieving and meh for you guys but considering the **** we had at the position, he is now a hero at the spot. Again its early in the year and the Raymond of Old who makes bad passes, silly turnovers that make you scratch your head and also a guy who can't make a shot to save his life at times will come. Not even fingers crossed will help that. However, he runs a good uptempo game, is absolutely gritty and makes the intangible things that have been huge for our season thus far. Considering he was a consolation prize for us in the summer, this guy has been more than worth what we've gotten him for.

I think its safe to say that thank god Felton didn't sign that extension with you guys....so you aren't stuck with a awful deal for the next few years and that the Knicks could get him on a very short year deal and get a bargain of a player. Worked out for both squads.

[Rich4114]

Quite sad indeed, that the guy comes here to post an observational Thread in a polite manner, and you (as a Mod) greet him like that.

well, I get the same treatment from posters and fellow mods on the Knicks board when I'm posting over there. just saying...

No diss against your guys traffic or anything but there are just so many more posters on the Knicks board than Cats board that you are bound to get a run in with some bad posters. Same with the Bulls and Raps board, there's good posters there(Except vs the Knicks since the boards are enemies alot of the time....especially when CHI had our picks via the Curry deal. Nasty, nasty times) but there's bad apples too.

As far as Felton goes...the old saying that fits this situation best:

"One man's(Or team's) trash is another man's treasure".

Felton may have been underachieving and meh for you guys but considering the **** we had at the position, he is now a hero at the spot. Again its early in the year and the Raymond of Old who makes bad passes, silly turnovers that make you scratch your head and also a guy who can't make a shot to save his life at times will come. Not even fingers crossed will help that. However, he runs a good uptempo game, is absolutely gritty and makes the intangible things that have been huge for our season thus far. Considering he was a consolation prize for us in the summer, this guy has been more than worth what we've gotten him for.

I think its safe to say that thank god Felton didn't sign that extension with you guys....so you aren't stuck with a awful deal for the next few years and that the Knicks could get him on a very short year deal and get a bargain of a player. Worked out for both squads.

I'm pretty sure the 9 fans we have posting on this board don't represent how most of Charlotte felt about Felton. We all know LB wanted him back, but financially MJ dug us into such a deep hole that adding another contract of 5-7m/yr long term wasn't going to work. They might have if they never traded for Tyrus, but giving up their draft pick for a 2 month rental of Tyrus only to not resign him again wasn't an option.

[fatlever]

honestly, it did work out well for both.

for us to bring back felton we would have had to give him a 6 year deal probably in the neighborhood of 40 mil. you just cant justify that kind of money for a player who has been just average for his career here. as for the knicks, yeah, i can understand how refreshing felton is for your team considering the pgs that have run that squad lately. win win.

what i think is funny is the notion that felton all of a sudden transformed into having more skills and talent than he did before. what you have is a classic case of a pg benefiting from
1) faster pace
2) style that suits his game better
3) playing with an allstar big man for first time in career
4) not having to share time with another pg (brevin knight, mcinnis, augustin). last year was really the first year where felton played all his minutes at pg with little time off the floor. in years passed he played half his minutes at shooting guard to make room for those others.
5) offense that allows pg to handle ball more

one area of major improvement has been his ft % which has jumped from 80 to 89%. that cant be explained. the increase in fg% is easy to explain. he is getting more baskets in transition due to fast breaks and he is getting more open shots thanks to the attention amare commands. the increase in assists is also easy to explain. again, faster pace, playing with better shooters and playing in an offense where the ball is in his hands most of the time. Larry's offense calls for the ball to move from player to player. the pgs do not dominate the ball in larry's offense so none of his pgs will rack up big assist numbers. the increase in turnovers also easy to explain, faster pace, more time with ball in hands.

[Paydro70]

The free throw jump can totally be explained... it's luck based on small sample size. A good portion of the increase in his points and assists can be attributed from going from one of the slowest paces in the NBA to one of the fastest.

Still, he's playing better, and that's mostly due to #2 in Fats' list. Ray's single greatest asset is his speed going to the hoop. A system designed for him to do things quickly, rather than slowly and thoughtfully, plays to his strengths. Although one thing he's NOT great at is keeping under control, which the D'Antoni system does not encourage players to do, and is reflected in his considerably higher TO rate.

Ultimately Fats is correct... I would be even more despondent about our future if we were locked into a long-term deal with Felton. We didn't have the cash to pay him and Tyrus, and I'd rather we choose the guy who's 2 years younger and has some ceiling left. I'm glad Felton's working out for the Knicks, so it seems to be fine for both sides.

Regarding the OP: It's not such a bad post, nor is it filled with unreasonable or incorrect statements... it's more the hubris of coming in to post things that we think are obvious shortly after your team beat ours twice. It's just not something you can expect a good response from.

[SWedd523]

Maybe I could just get fatter, chicken wing my jump shot, go into hero mode at the worst times, unlearn how to run and pick and roll but so long as I keep my nose clean get a 22 million dollar 3 year contract from the Knicks?

As long as you can put up 18 and 9 and have some big scoring games then that would be ok. You're in denial if you think Felton has been playing bad this season. He carved up the bobcats 2 games in a row and that's a fact.

Here's DJ's line from the two games:


15-31 FG
6-7 FT
4 STL
14 AST
2 TOV
7/1 A/T
13 REB
38 PTS


And here's Ray's:


14-31 FG
8-9 FT
3 STL
21 AST
10 TOV
2.1 A/T
6 REB
39 PTS



Who did the carving again?

[Knickz4life88]

Umm..The most important factor is that Raymond Felton and the Knicks won..And he hit important shots that killed your momentum..So yea i think Felton did own the Bobcats..Dj can put up those numbers as much as he wants as long he doesnt get the W i could careless..

[doc.end]

Umm..The most important factor is that Raymond Felton and the Knicks won..And he hit important shots that killed your momentum..So yea i think Felton did own the Bobcats..Dj can put up those numbers as much as he wants as long he doesnt get the W i could careless..

Morrison 2 ring > Felton none

Point proven.

[captaincrunk]

Umm..The most important factor is that Raymond Felton and the Knicks won..And he hit important shots that killed your momentum..So yea i think Felton did own the Bobcats..Dj can put up those numbers as much as he wants as long he doesnt get the W i could careless..

Couldn't*

Also, ten turnovers over two games is something to be ashamed of.

[Knickz4life88]

LOL at Morrison..Has nothing to do with the convo but uhhh ok? And no my friend, losing 2 in a row on a back to back to the same team is something you should be ashamed of..

[SWedd523]

How do you go from personal achievements (Felton carved you up) to team achievements (his team won the game)?


Oh wait, after you found out DJ played better than Felton. Lol. Move along.

[captaincrunk]

LOL at Morrison..Has nothing to do with the convo but uhhh ok? And no my friend, losing 2 in a row on a back to back to the same team is something you should be ashamed of..

I'm just ashamed you called me friend

[BigSlam]

This thread is going no where so I am locking it down.