which players will benefit the most and least from silas?

Post #1 » by **fatlever** » Sun Dec 26, 2010 6:41 pm

benefit the most

augustin - silas isnt really a pg coach, but he will give dj confidence. dj has talent he just needs confidence. it probably wont be enough to turn dj into a great player, but should be good enough to help him improve

thomas - silas is a big mans coach. i think he could help thomas develop some much needed post skills on offense and defense. and i think he'll get more minutes as silas looks to push the tempo.

diop - silas might actually be able to do something with him.

wallace - getting back to an uptempo style will definite help wallace get out of his slump.

nazr - nazr reminds me a lot of elden campbell when he was with the hornets. he always played well when silas was around. silas always had productive bigs in charlotte.

benefit the least

diaw - brown obviously loved diaw and gave him a lot of freedom on offense and never really questioned his lack of conditioning. i could see diaw's minutes coming down some under silas, especially if he thinks diaw is out of shape. then again, silas and oakley just might appreciate the fact that diaw is the teams best man post defender and the best at boxing out.

mcguire - i cant imagine he will get the same amount of minutes now that larry is gone.

jax - i just have a funny feeling that jax wont get as much freedom under silas. call it a hunch.

ajbry · Post #2 » by **ajbry** » Sun Dec 26, 2010 7:00 pm

fatlever wrote:jax - i just have a funny feeling that jax wont get as much freedom under silas. call it a hunch.

I agree with most, except for perhaps Nazr and to an extent Gerald (who will still have trouble scoring in halfcourt sets).

I don't understand what you mean about Jack - he was extremely limited by LB this season and looked like a robot. Jack wasn't playing his game under LB, which is surprising because LB let him do what he wanted last year with good results.

Jack's main coaching clashes - Carlisle and Brown - were attributed to their offenses being so deliberate and micro-managed. A guy like Silas is definitely on the opposite end of that spectrum. Jack is averaging 17.3 points a night this year. He's not even taking 15 shots a game. He's barely been involved.

Post #3 » by **fatlever** » Sun Dec 26, 2010 7:07 pm

yeah, i hope your right ajbry. i guess i was thinking about some of the games were jax was holding the ball too long and games were he was obviously just playing bad turning the ball over. i was thinking that silas might be quicker to bench jax when he is playing like that. i was also thinking of the many times jax didnt get out on the break or back on defense. as much as he talks about wanting to run, from what i see live, he is one of the worst on the team at actually getting out on the break and getting back on defense.

the flip side is, perhaps jax was holding the ball and turning it over due to LBs restrictive system and more freedom and speed will help.

Stun704 · Post #4 » by **Stun704** » Sun Dec 26, 2010 7:26 pm

fatlever wrote:benefit the most

augustin - silas isnt really a pg coach, but he will give dj confidence. dj has talent he just needs confidence. it probably wont be enough to turn dj into a great player, but should be good enough to help him improve

thomas - silas is a big mans coach. i think he could help thomas develop some much needed post skills on offense and defense. and i think he'll get more minutes as silas looks to push the tempo.

Augustin will benefit a lot, the HC isn't a PG coach, but he will give him confidence like you said, but his Son Stephen Silas will turn him into a great player.. look what this article says about him

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... 1GVBO5.DTL

"I'm going to miss him a lot, man," point guard Stephen Curry said. "That was my go-to assistant for watching film, studying my game and continuing to learn. I always went to him for advice. Personally, he's my guy.

This was Silas' fifth season with the Warriors, and he is credited with Monta Ellis' maturation as a player and leader and Curry's adjustment to playing point guard.

but to answer your question, I think TT will benefit the most from HC Silas, DJ will benefit the most from the coaching staff in general.. and McGuire will benefit the least (but the team will benefit the most)

Post #5 » by **fatlever** » Sun Dec 26, 2010 7:35 pm

back when he was with the hornets, a lot of people gave paul silas crap about always having is son on his coaching staff saying he wasnt qualified. it seems that stephen silas has definitely earned a spot as an assistant.

Stun704 · Post #6 » by **Stun704** » Sun Dec 26, 2010 7:37 pm

Maybe putting the cart before the horse, but it seems like we would be much better as a franchise right now if we gave silas the job instead of Larry Brown.. Granted we probably wouldn't have made the playoffs till this year, but I doubt we would have diop, and we would have a much younger more confident roster.

penquin11 · Post #7 » by **penquin11** » Sun Dec 26, 2010 10:36 pm

Most

Tyrus Thomas: Silas should allow this man to play more minuetes and help him develop his post skills. Furthermore Tyrus should be better in a faster paced offense where his speed advantage (over most PF's) will be displayed. Also a faster system translates to more points in the paint and more open looks on the fastbreak....

Boris Diaw: When he was in Pheonix a faster system was run and the result was him suceeding, he has good passing skills and decent rebounding skills but in a sluggish system; that allows another teams bigmen to rest in the paint, Diaw suffers.

Gerald Henderson: He will get to play....

Gerald Wallace: He is called crash for a reason, because of his aggressive play especailly in the inside in the paint. With more time on the fastbreak he should get better shots.

Vanderbilt_Grad · Post #8 » by **Vanderbilt_Grad** » Mon Dec 27, 2010 12:50 am

Us, the fans. Faster basketball will make the team much easier to watch.

Player wise I agree with a lot of the above posts. I have my fingers crossed that Tyrus will improve the most.

BobsBuddy · Post #9 » by **BobsBuddy** » Mon Dec 27, 2010 2:53 pm

Better-Dbrown,Hendo,DJ,TT,Wallace, JAX, NAZR Livingston,Collins... FAST like to run.

Worse--Dmac Carroll K.Brown, Diop ,(Diaw?) SLOW both mentally and Physically

thruthefire · Post #10 » by **thruthefire** » Mon Dec 27, 2010 11:37 pm

Augustin and Thomas. Both are at their best when running, and Tyrus should see a nice minutes bump.

Post #11 » by **fatlever** » Tue Dec 28, 2010 3:46 am

most - diop. 22 minutes? really? he was decent, but really?
least - kwame brown. damn. did he really deserve the cd-dnp?

Post #12 » by **BigSlam** » Tue Dec 28, 2010 3:53 am

fatlever wrote:most - diop. 22 minutes? really? he was decent, but really?
least - kwame brown. damn. did he really deserve the cd-dnp?

Did you see what Bonnell blogged?

Maybe this is experimentation -- a new coach has every reason to explore possibilities -- but I couldn't help wonder if playing Diop might be an effort at getting other teams comfortable with trading for his contract.

http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_n ... -more.html

If that is true I hope that Huggy Bear is on the phone with all of the other 29 GM's right now because Gana's current value might never be this high again!

GQCoolest · Post #13 » by **GQCoolest** » Tue Dec 28, 2010 3:54 am

fatlever wrote:most - diop. 22 minutes? really? he was decent, but really?
least - kwame brown. damn. did he really deserve the cd-dnp?

Pretty sure he's being put in the shop window so to speak. Kwame could do the exact same thing that Gana did tonight. Kwame's making less than a million. Gana is on the hook for 20+ over the next 3 years. Really gotta think the team is angling to include him in a trade. Maybe trying to ship him to the Magic along with Boris for J-Rich to set up a Jack or Crash trade?

countryboi · Post #14 » by **countryboi** » Tue Dec 28, 2010 3:59 am

looks like mj is trying to convince orlando that diop and his nasty contract is serviceable as a backup to howard....fingers crossed

Post #15 » by **Diop** » Tue Dec 28, 2010 4:08 am

Its hard to predict trades, but I can't see why Orlando does that trade. They have been playing pretty well since their big shake up and J Rich has done ok.

They have plenty of forwards and Hedo brings the same skills offensively as Diaw.

I can see them doing a small trade for a backup C or just picking up someone like Barron.

I personally wouldn't be in a rush to move J Rich.

captaincrunk · Post #16 » by **captaincrunk** » Tue Dec 28, 2010 11:04 pm

Sachmo wrote:Its hard to predict trades, but I can't see why Orlando does that trade. They have been playing pretty well since their big shake up and J Rich has done ok.

They have plenty of forwards and Hedo brings the same skills offensively as Diaw.

I can see them doing a small trade for a backup C or just picking up someone like Barron.

I personally wouldn't be in a rush to move J Rich.

Diaw playing the 4 next to Hedo at the 3 would create 7 hells of matchup problems, but I don't think it's good enough to make the trade. Jrich is a great 3pt shooter, and that's their game. Diaw is just good at it for a PF.

penquin11 · Post #17 » by **penquin11** » Tue Dec 28, 2010 11:08 pm

JRich trade would be bad for us and them.....

flamboyant4lyf · Post #18 » by **flamboyant4lyf** » Thu Dec 30, 2010 2:14 am

Kwame owns this thread. Dude had been one of the semi-bright spots on an ugly season.
I don't think he should have been relegated to 0 minutes, regardless of any supposed trade value we're trying to give Diop.

penquin11 · Post #19 » by **penquin11** » Thu Dec 30, 2010 2:28 am

Trade Kwame then... Gana's doing fine