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Post#21 » by freakon0mics » Thu Dec 30, 2010 6:15 am

Wow, 27 on Monday and 28 Wednesday. In two games he is shooting a ridiculous 20-29 from the field and 9-12 from 3 point land. A coaching change was needed for DJ.

fatlever wrote:chowyoonphat = freakon0mics. i was lost for a second. i had to check user comments. i was like, who the hell is this new bobcats poster who has been on the the site for 5 years with 2000 posts and ive never seen him on this board. must be a name change.


haha sorry for the confusion. had to change the name after reading the freakonomics book.
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Post#22 » by captaincrunk » Thu Dec 30, 2010 6:42 am

freakon0mics wrote:Wow, 27 on Monday and 28 Wednesday. In two games he is shooting a ridiculous 20-29 from the field and 9-12 from 3 point land. A coaching change was needed for DJ.

fatlever wrote:chowyoonphat = freakon0mics. i was lost for a second. i had to check user comments. i was like, who the hell is this new bobcats poster who has been on the the site for 5 years with 2000 posts and ive never seen him on this board. must be a name change.


haha sorry for the confusion. had to change the name after reading the freakonomics book.

What did you think of it?
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Post#23 » by freakon0mics » Thu Dec 30, 2010 8:28 am

that book is a good read. at first i thought it was a book about straight economics but the book makes you look at other things from a different perspective.
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Post#24 » by Tupik » Thu Dec 30, 2010 12:33 pm

That's funny, I just started reading the book.
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Post#25 » by Badd_Intentions » Thu Dec 30, 2010 2:59 pm

Looks like a completely different playa!
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Post#26 » by Rich4114 » Thu Dec 30, 2010 4:00 pm

I don't think anyone would ever argue that DJ isn't a great shooter. Which is why everyone was shocked by how poorly he played last year. I think it was mental, like with Ammo. How would Ammo have done under Silas??

Back on topic though, what happens when teams start realizing they can't leave DJ open and start staying on him? He needs to be more of a threat than just a great open shooter because he can't create his own shot or be a threat driving into the paint. I still wish we could've combined Felton and DJ into one person.

I say let him keep doing his thing but realize he's more of a SG in a PG body and we should continue to be looking at upgrading him. However, this is one of the reasons why I'd be so high on a guy like OJ Mayo coming here because we'd have two combo guards in our back court. OJ could distribute a little while DJ shoots and DJ can distribute while OJ scores. Similar setup to what Golden State has.

At the end of the day though, can you win a championship that way or go deep in the playoffs? Probably not, you still need a true PG who is a threat to drive into the paint and either get their own shot off or get someone else an easy shot. We still don't have that.
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Post#27 » by Vanderbilt_Grad » Thu Dec 30, 2010 4:16 pm

DJ is already playing with a combo guard of sorts ... actually several of them.

In the game last night he was usually playing with either Jax or Livingston to help share the PG duties. In the half court he almost always started the offense by handing the ball off to Diaw ... who usually faked handing it right back to him but didn't because the Cavs were all over him early in the set.
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Post#28 » by fatlever » Thu Dec 30, 2010 5:15 pm

ok, now that he is getting his confidence on offense back, he needs to make that next step and improves his defense. once again last night he allowed a pg to get hot against him in the 4th, which fueled their comeback. he has to make it tougher by playing up closer and not sagging off so much (like others pointed out) when his man is playing off the ball. he is a rotten help defender so why does he try to cheat so much?
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Post#29 » by penquin11 » Thu Dec 30, 2010 5:21 pm

We could use a good defensive PG, cause Augustin really is a SG in a PG's body....
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Post#30 » by AboveTheRim726 » Thu Dec 30, 2010 7:45 pm

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Vanderbilt_Grad wrote:My impression is that he cheats off his man too much when they don't have the ball. The other team usually ends up figuring this out over the course of the game and starts to take advantage of it. DJ also seems to get burned by the faster guards. He seems a step slower which is why his cheating hurts him so much. He's not fast enough to recover.

Name 5 guards in the league faster than DJ. It's not the speed or the quickness, it seems like it could be the footwork. That's something he can improve on.


Rose, Wall, Westbrook, Brooks, Lawson, Felton, Harris, Parker, Paul, Rondo, Collison, Conley, Jennings.
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Post#31 » by Marvel » Thu Dec 30, 2010 9:00 pm

LMAO, DJ kept Booby in check for the entire game. It wasn't till the 4th quarter when DJ was gassed that Sessions was able to penetrate on him. YOU try running the point in a fast paced game then trying to defend NBA caliber pgs for 4 quarters. At least he was closing out on the shooters.

Silas had no option but to bring DJ back in early in the 4th because Shaun( i can forgive him for his knee) wasn't able to run the offense, score, do anything... pretty much nullifying the lead DJ and Jax got us up to that point.

This is what happened against Detroit, where Bynum was getting in the paint/to the basket on DJ in the 4th. Which brings me to my next point, either Shaun has to get those knees back to 110% or the FO has to make a move to address the need for a capable backup to reduce the minutes DJ's playing right now. I swear everytime Shaun goes up for a layup or dunk, i have those images in my head from the 1st time he blew out both knees.

One thing i'd like to see DJ do more of is, change the pace on fastbreaks. There's nothing wrong with him going full speed, but at times he tends to overrun it. Pull up at the ft line every now and then, or stop at the ft line/top of key pull the defense in and find your trailer/s, shooter - Jax.
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Post#32 » by SWedd523 » Thu Dec 30, 2010 10:01 pm

AboveTheRim726 wrote:Rose, Wall, Westbrook, Brooks, Lawson, Felton, Harris, Parker, Paul, Rondo, Collison, Conley, Jennings.


Agility
1. Collison (10.45)
2. Felton (10.50)
3. Brooks (10.57
4. Wall (10.84)
5. Westbrook (10.98)
6. Lawson (10.98)
7. Harris (11.03)
8. Paul (11.09)
9. DJ (11.27)
10. Conley (11.63)
11. Rose (11.69)


Sprint
1. Rose (3.05)
2. Felton (3.06)
3. DJ (3.07)
4. Westbrook (3.08)
5. Conley (3.09)
6. Collison (3.1)
7. Lawson (3.12)
8. Wall (3.14)
9. Harris (3.19)
10. Brooks (3.2)
11. Paul (3.22)

Composite
1. Collison (13.55)
2. Felton (13.56)
3. Brooks (13.77)
4. Wall (13.98)
5. Westbrook (14.06)
6. Lawson (14.1)
7. Harris (14.22)
8. Paul (14.31)
9. DJ 14.34)
10. Conley (14.72)
11. Rose (14.74)
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Post#33 » by captaincrunk » Thu Dec 30, 2010 10:44 pm

Rich4114 wrote:I don't think anyone would ever argue that DJ isn't a great shooter. Which is why everyone was shocked by how poorly he played last year. I think it was mental, like with Ammo. How would Ammo have done under Silas??

Back on topic though, what happens when teams start realizing they can't leave DJ open and start staying on him?

Generally he gets one of those "cheap assists" Battery is always on about. He's pretty good at drawing perimeter help, even though he doesn't always get in the lane much.
Rich4114 wrote:He needs to be more of a threat than just a great open shooter because he can't create his own shot or be a threat driving into the paint. I still wish we could've combined Felton and DJ into one person.

He did have some decent drives against Cleveland, but that was against backup PG's and such. Still, I think he's improving in this area.
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Post#34 » by AboveTheRim726 » Fri Dec 31, 2010 12:50 am

SWEDD523 wrote:
AboveTheRim726 wrote:Rose, Wall, Westbrook, Brooks, Lawson, Felton, Harris, Parker, Paul, Rondo, Collison, Conley, Jennings.


Agility
1. Collison (10.45)
2. Felton (10.50)
3. Brooks (10.57
4. Wall (10.84)
5. Westbrook (10.98)
6. Lawson (10.98)
7. Harris (11.03)
8. Paul (11.09)
9. DJ (11.27)
10. Conley (11.63)
11. Rose (11.69)


Sprint
1. Rose (3.05)
2. Felton (3.06)
3. DJ (3.07)
4. Westbrook (3.08)
5. Conley (3.09)
6. Collison (3.1)
7. Lawson (3.12)
8. Wall (3.14)
9. Harris (3.19)
10. Brooks (3.2)
11. Paul (3.22)

Composite
1. Collison (13.55)
2. Felton (13.56)
3. Brooks (13.77)
4. Wall (13.98)
5. Westbrook (14.06)
6. Lawson (14.1)
7. Harris (14.22)
8. Paul (14.31)
9. DJ 14.34)
10. Conley (14.72)
11. Rose (14.74)



Those numbers dont tell the full story of quickness.

With the ball there shouldnt be much doubt that Westbrook, Rose, Wall, Lawson, and Brooks are faster/quicker than DJ.

You can debate DJ's quickness along side Collison, Jennings, and Paul.
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Post#35 » by captaincrunk » Fri Dec 31, 2010 1:02 am

AboveTheRim726 wrote:
captaincrunk wrote:
Vanderbilt_Grad wrote:My impression is that he cheats off his man too much when they don't have the ball. The other team usually ends up figuring this out over the course of the game and starts to take advantage of it. DJ also seems to get burned by the faster guards. He seems a step slower which is why his cheating hurts him so much. He's not fast enough to recover.

Name 5 guards in the league faster than DJ. It's not the speed or the quickness, it seems like it could be the footwork. That's something he can improve on.


Rose, Wall, Westbrook, Brooks, Lawson, Felton, Harris, Parker, Paul, Rondo, Collison, Conley, Jennings.

Lulz, DJ is faster than more than half of those guys.
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Post#36 » by captaincrunk » Fri Dec 31, 2010 1:08 am

AboveTheRim726 wrote:
SWEDD523 wrote:
AboveTheRim726 wrote:Rose, Wall, Westbrook, Brooks, Lawson, Felton, Harris, Parker, Paul, Rondo, Collison, Conley, Jennings.


Agility
1. Collison (10.45)
2. Felton (10.50)
3. Brooks (10.57
4. Wall (10.84)
5. Westbrook (10.98)
6. Lawson (10.98)
7. Harris (11.03)
8. Paul (11.09)
9. DJ (11.27)
10. Conley (11.63)
11. Rose (11.69)


Sprint
1. Rose (3.05)
2. Felton (3.06)
3. DJ (3.07)
4. Westbrook (3.08)
5. Conley (3.09)
6. Collison (3.1)
7. Lawson (3.12)
8. Wall (3.14)
9. Harris (3.19)
10. Brooks (3.2)
11. Paul (3.22)

Composite
1. Collison (13.55)
2. Felton (13.56)
3. Brooks (13.77)
4. Wall (13.98)
5. Westbrook (14.06)
6. Lawson (14.1)
7. Harris (14.22)
8. Paul (14.31)
9. DJ 14.34)
10. Conley (14.72)
11. Rose (14.74)



Those numbers dont tell the full story of quickness.

With the ball there shouldnt be much doubt that Westbrook, Rose, Wall, Lawson, and Brooks are faster/quicker than DJ.

You can debate DJ's quickness along side Collison, Jennings, and Paul.

You were talking about defense. DJ doesn't dribble while playing defense. And the differences between these guys are so minimal that it's more like different runs with the same car rather than entirely different vehicles.
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Post#37 » by captaincrunk » Fri Dec 31, 2010 8:41 pm

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archi ... der_silas/

Article on real gm about DJ and Silas, and how he isn't getting traded.

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