the Felton fiasco should have Cats seriously evaluating mgmt

[doc.end]

Memphis is worse too.

[tonman]

new york management WAS bad but they have:

a cornerstone in amare.
they have felton for another year so they gambled and if he plays well they can extend him.
chandler is playing well and will get a big contract.
then there's fields in a 2nd round pay scale, danilo in an RC, douglas in an RC, walker cheap.
williams is playing well for cheap.
and some other young talent that needs development in randolph and mozgov.

thanks to curry's salary going off the books, even if they give chandler a contract starting in the 8-9 range and resign williams around the MLE, that's their top 11 players and they'd still be around 52M on the cap.

with carmelo only really wanting to play in New York, the Knicks are sitting happy. denver is frantically looking for a better deal but they might as well look at the chandler/curry for anthony deal. they'll have to get chandler resigned but its better than nothing and at half the price of anthony.

[Rich4114]

Wow Rich - you really did lose interest in the team as soon as Felton left!!

I lost interest this year, and I'm wasting my league pass too because I only watch like one game a week now. I can't help it, it's annoying to watch them continuously make dumb decisions while everyone elses gets better around them. Too much losing is bad for your health, need to back off and be less hardcore until it gets better. I still care, but I care more about the future than what's going on now.

So yes lost interest, but it's because they suck so bad and are stuck in crappiness - not because Felton left and went on to lead the Knicks to a winning record.

[fatlever]

rich, didnt you get the memo? larry is gone. the bobcats are fun to watch now. this current squad is starting to remind me of the spring of 07 squad that was so entertaining, and pretty decent.

[Marvel]

Plus you're missing out on Henderson developing into an all star right before our eyes.

[klemen4]

Guys Felton is the same player he was. Stats tell the story.

Note:Felton is shooting worst % that last year:

45,9 / 44,7 % FG
38,5 / 35,6 % 3PT
76,3 / 86,8 % FT
3,6 / 3,9 reb
5,6 / 8,7 stats
12,1 / 18,3 points

He is also playing 6 more minutes per game, faster system, more possessions, more freedom in game, better shooters, Amare.

Yes he is playing great, but stats are partially product of the system.

[BigSlam]

Guys Felton is the same player he was. Stats tell the story.

Note:Felton is shooting worst % that last year:

45,9 / 44,7 % FG
38,5 / 35,6 % 3PT
76,3 / 86,8 % FT
3,6 / 3,9 reb
5,6 / 8,7 stats
12,1 / 18,3 points

He is also playing 6 more minutes per game, faster system, more possessions, more freedom in game, better shooters, Amare.

Yes he is playing great, but stats are partially product of the system.

He's also 2nd fiddle there behind Amare, not having to share the ball with two others (Jax and Crash) which means he gets 4 more shots a game in New York than he got here.

I totally agree his up tick in numbers is a total bi-product of their system.

[NewEra]

It's great to finally see Felton on a real team. Makes me wonder what other hidden gems are rotting away on Charlottes roster.

Lol @ the knicks being a real team. Knicks are probably only of the select few list of teams whos management has been worse than the bobcats since the 'Cats came in the league. They are most definately not a "real" team and wouldn't be relevant right now if they weren't in New York. put this same management in minny and you guys wouldn't have gotten Amar'e this year, and would be again a bottom feeder.

[tonman]

stats don't mean much unless you define what it is you are trying to indicate with them. if you are saying that felton isn't shooting better than last season well so what? he's not shooting that much worse (.459 to 447). you mention he's taking 4 more shots than last season. note that 3 of those 4 shots are three pointers which more than not you are shooting at a lower percentage. his shEff last season was .494. his shEff this season is .509.

not to mention that prior to last season, his best shooting season was at .413.

on the flipside, you see augustin's numbers go up. augustin is a better shooter than felton. felton just is a better leader. the pro-felton camp was never anti-augustin in comparison to the pro-augustin camp who was anti-felton. we were hoping both would be playing together and solidifying the cats backcout along with jax and henderson etal. hope was to come up with a plan regarding the mess that was the front court situation and leave the backcourt and wings alone. of course that didn't happen and we're still trying to work the center position and now have a hole at point guard behind augustin.

you fix the holes in the lineup, you don't create new ones. don't tell me we're trying to save money in one breath and say we're trying to make the playoffs in the other. at least they could have done a S&T and gotten something from felton leaving.

its way too early regarding hendo since he hasn't got a lot of run. augustin is reaching the end of his RC. your key players are getting older and will still require large contracts. we might make the playoffs again this season due to a weak eastern conference but if we want to go anywhere further, we simply do not have the talent in place. we have no go to post player. we're a jump shooting team (21st in FG percentage).

i'm in favor of breaking this team apart and starting over with thomas, augustin, and henderson. only way we are going to get good over a long period of time.

[doc.end]

Yeah divide us into camps right now! We demand it!

The dead horse is beaten once again.

[captaincrunk]

Yeah divide us into camps right now! We demand it!

The dead horse is beaten once again.

Yeah. Felton is gone, time to move on (not that I think our record would be much different, unless it really affected LArry Brown that much).

One of the first moves I make in association mode (I know, hardly the same) is to send Nazr as an expiring for a guy like Gortat.

[Rich4114]

It's too late Fats, I know this season is still hopeless. At leas they are much more fun to watch though, and I did catch Hendo the other night. One thing I like about Silas is he seems to be willing to make something out of that guy - LB wasn't going to allow it.

Silas is a good match for the type of team we've got, and with talent he can take a team deep. The roster is still eff'd up though so my excitement unfortunately will come from them dismantling it and landing cap space and picks at this point.

[Stun704]

It's too late Fats, I know this season is still hopeless. At leas they are much more fun to watch though, and I did catch Hendo the other night. One thing I like about Silas is he seems to be willing to make something out of that guy - LB wasn't going to allow it.

Silas is a good match for the type of team we've got, and with talent he can take a team deep. The roster is still eff'd up though so my excitement unfortunately will come from them dismantling it and landing cap space and picks at this point.

what are you talking about dude? bobcats are .5 games away from the 8th seed and like 1.0 game away from the 7th seed.

but in regards to this thread, DJ and Raymond are on the same playing field, but i Guarantee DJ will be the better player when its all said and done. Maybe Felton can come back in 2 years and be the backup PG

[Badd_Intentions]

Yea we are close to the playoffs but once again I'm sure we'd get thrashed by either Boston or Miami and swept in a series. We just don't have the players to pull off an upset, especially in a 7 game series(god i'd wish they'd go back to the best of 5 format in the first rd). I know it sounds crazy but i'd much rather take our chances in the lottery. Besides i'm sure we're going to be unloading Crash or Jax at some point during the season so our roster will more than likely look very different towards the end of the year.

As for Felton, i'm glad he's doing well in NY. Look at the finishers he is playing with. Amare is one of the best finishers/scoring big men in the league today. No doubt about it. MDA is an up-tempo coach, great fit for Felts. Not to mention they 2 other pretty good scorers in Gallo and Chandler. While here, Felts didn't have that type of offensive talent to play with. He is now on his most talented team since leaving UNC. He has the freedom to use his creativity to get the ball to talented scorers, a point guards dream.

[Rich4114]

All getting the 7th or 8th seed does is guarantee we can't get a top 3 pick in the lottery. I'll take a top 3 pick over getting swept and embarrassed by Miami or Boston.

[captaincrunk]

All getting the 7th or 8th seed does is guarantee we can't get a top 3 pick in the lottery. I'll take a top 3 pick over getting swept and embarrassed by Miami or Boston.

We'd probably have less than a 10 percent chance of getting in the top 5 pick unless we ditch Jack, DJ, and Wallace. I'd love to see us in the playoffs and give us that much needed legitimacy as an expansion team, especially as the new CBA approaches and it begins to look as though there may be contraction talks. I hope not, every team has something different to offer. But I definitely don't want the Cats to be killed.

[GQCoolest]

All getting the 7th or 8th seed does is guarantee we can't get a top 3 pick in the lottery. I'll take a top 3 pick over getting swept and embarrassed by Miami or Boston.

We'd probably have less than a 10 percent chance of getting in the top 5 pick unless we ditch Jack, DJ, and Wallace. I'd love to see us in the playoffs and give us that much needed legitimacy as an expansion team, especially as the new CBA approaches and it begins to look as though there may be contraction talks. I hope not, every team has something different to offer. But I definitely don't want the Cats to be killed.

Teams are not going to get contracted. The players association wouldn't let it happen. 30 less player jobs? Yeah, nobody is cool with that.

The Bobs would be behind at least Minnesota, Sacto, and Memphis in the contraction line.

[captaincrunk]

All getting the 7th or 8th seed does is guarantee we can't get a top 3 pick in the lottery. I'll take a top 3 pick over getting swept and embarrassed by Miami or Boston.

We'd probably have less than a 10 percent chance of getting in the top 5 pick unless we ditch Jack, DJ, and Wallace. I'd love to see us in the playoffs and give us that much needed legitimacy as an expansion team, especially as the new CBA approaches and it begins to look as though there may be contraction talks. I hope not, every team has something different to offer. But I definitely don't want the Cats to be killed.

Teams are not going to get contracted. The players association wouldn't let it happen. 30 less player jobs? Yeah, nobody is cool with that.

The Bobs would be behind at least Minnesota, Sacto, and Memphis in the contraction line.

If it came with extra roster spots they might not fight it as strongly.