Project D.J. Augustin's 2010/2011 Numbers

Post #101 » by **fatlever** » Sun Nov 21, 2010 5:40 pm

we would all love to have one of these new breed stud pgs: rondo, wall, rose, paul, deron, westbrook etc.. they are seemingly taking over the league. when compared to those guys, watching dj is obviously going to be disappointing. but we need to put this in perspective. none of us expected dj to play on that level, so lets not act like it. half of us didnt even expect dj to be able to last 2 weeks as a starter (raise your hand if you were one) and to be fair those expectations were also probably unfair. dj is somewhere in the middle. he is proving that he can in fact run a team and he is at least an average starting quality pg. now, i know we all arent going to accept average, but for now, i think we should all be happy with where dj is as a player compared to how he played last year. the kid certainly has room to grow and will continue to get better. he has the potential to be the bobcats best pg ever (i know thats not saying much). felton never got much better after his rookie year and while brevin was stellar as assists he had a lot of holes in his game as well. dj still has a lot of upside.

Marvel · Post #102 » by **Marvel** » Sun Nov 21, 2010 10:23 pm

fatlever wrote:we would all love to have one of these new breed stud pgs: rondo, wall, rose, paul, deron, westbrook etc.. they are seemingly taking over the league. when compared to those guys, watching dj is obviously going to be disappointing. but we need to put this in perspective. none of us expected dj to play on that level, so lets not act like it. half of us didnt even expect dj to be able to last 2 weeks as a starter (raise your hand if you were one) and to be fair those expectations were also probably unfair. dj is somewhere in the middle. he is proving that he can in fact run a team and he is at least an average starting quality pg. now, i know we all arent going to accept average, but for now, i think we should all be happy with where dj is as a player compared to how he played last year. the kid certainly has room to grow and will continue to get better. he has the potential to be the bobcats best pg ever (i know thats not saying much). felton never got much better after his rookie year and while brevin was stellar as assists he had a lot of holes in his game as well. dj still has a lot of upside.

I've always thought DJ was a starter,i said it on BCP foum and i've never changed my mind or opinion on him. I think he still needs a lot of improvement and a better understanding of running a team at the point and really needs to improve his ability to run and defend the p&r.

DY_nasty · Post #103 » by **DY_nasty** » Sun Nov 21, 2010 10:54 pm

Marvel wrote:I've always thought DJ was a starter,i said it on BCP foum and i've never changed my mind or opinion on him. I think he still needs a lot of improvement and a better understanding of running a team at the point and really needs to improve his ability to run and defend the p&r.

his man defense is sketchy but he's shown he knows how to get to the ball. the p&r stuff is what LB forces all the pgs to do - just a shame that DJ sucks in that particular philosophy.

dude's gotta get a little more aggressive though. He shouldn't need to, but given how Jackson and Wallace have yet to play well at the same time, he's going to have to be a scoring option.

penquin11 · Post #104 » by **penquin11** » Sun Nov 21, 2010 11:08 pm

This is sort of off topic but I wish we had Lawson on our team, hes a good player and reminds me of either his mentor BIllups or like Jason Kidd

Marvel · Post #105 » by **Marvel** » Mon Nov 22, 2010 1:16 am

dude's gotta get a little more aggressive though.

I keep saying that every game and TBH i don't think he has that mindset yet where he can/wants to dominate/take over a game by taking the reins and leading the team to a win every night. HOPEFULLY he comes around by January,the time i'm predicting him to break out of his shell a little bit.

penquin11 · Post #106 » by **penquin11** » Mon Nov 22, 2010 2:09 am

I wish we had a good backup PG as well though, one who could play some d, a guy like Jason Kidd or such. It would help if Augustin had some mentor to go off of...

captaincrunk · Post #107 » by **captaincrunk** » Mon Nov 22, 2010 2:54 am

penquin11 wrote:This is sort of off topic but I wish we had Lawson on our team, hes a good player and reminds me of either his mentor BIllups or like Jason Kidd

Part of what makes JAson Kidd is his height. I know he's fantastically skilled anyway but it certainly helped.

Rich4114 · Post #108 » by **Rich4114** » Mon Nov 22, 2010 7:08 pm

BigSlam wrote:
Rich4114 wrote:^ I enjoy being able to do this to you, I'm not gonna lie

You don't get it Rich. You're not doing anything to me. It's all about you. I've embraced the our present PG. I'm not still hanging onto the past.

I'm not posting in a thread about our current PG stats from game of our old PG. I know it eats you up. It's killing you that DJ is doing so well. You have to let it go. This thing you have can't be healthy for you.

Heck, it's been so hard on you that you hardly even post here any more now your boy has gone. The only time you really post is to hate on DJ.

This isn't about me. It's a reflection on you.

untrue SLAM. The only other board I've posted on here since Felton left has been the trade board and it's all Bobcats threads. Please don't question my allegiance to this team. I've stuck with them through many awful seasons and this one appears to be another. I don't dislike DJ, in fact I want nothing more than for him to become what we all want in a PG. You act as if he already is, that I (and many others) will disagree with you on.

I'm poking fun because my over-optimism over the years on Felton was always bashed by you and others but now the tables are turned and you're having trouble taking it after dishing it. I'm not out for revenge or blood or anything, we all want the same thing I'm pretty sure. I just like having a good time and getting you fired up if I can. :-D

DJ has shown signs of playing well. The assist to turnover ratio shows he's starting to get LB's system finally. My problem is when do we see him take over and put a defense on their heels? I feel like he showed signs of that his rookie year but now it's forgotten. I think we can't trick ourselves into thinking we've got a good situation at PG when it's basically mediocre. There's a ton of PG's in the NBA starting I would take over DJ. Hopefully we can land the next top PG in the draft this year, but now we're winning some game so we may not get our shot.

DY_nasty · Post #109 » by **DY_nasty** » Mon Nov 22, 2010 8:57 pm

DJ was a lot more aggressive his rookie year.

Wonder what happened... (no i don't)

Battery · Post #110 » by **Battery** » Mon Nov 22, 2010 9:11 pm

DJ's good assist to turnover number can be attributed to us shooting the ball much better on the perimeter and his lack of aggressiveness going into the lane. Anybody can make those perimeter passes and rack up cheap assists on our team because the opposing defenses are giving us the outside shot.

captaincrunk · Post #111 » by **captaincrunk** » Mon Nov 22, 2010 9:47 pm

Battery wrote:DJ's good assist to turnover number can be attributed to us shooting the ball much better on the perimeter and his lack of aggressiveness going into the lane. Anybody can make those perimeter passes and rack up cheap assists on our team because the opposing defenses are giving us the outside shot.

After ten games or so you generally give up the idea that an entire team is on a hot streak somehow, and that all the assists are "cheap".

EDIT In fact, I LOVE cheap assists, it means the offense has done a good job to get someone open.

Battery · Post #112 » by **Battery** » Mon Nov 22, 2010 10:02 pm

captaincrunk wrote:
Battery wrote:DJ's good assist to turnover number can be attributed to us shooting the ball much better on the perimeter and his lack of aggressiveness going into the lane. Anybody can make those perimeter passes and rack up cheap assists on our team because the opposing defenses are giving us the outside shot.

After ten games or so you generally give up the idea that an entire team is on a hot streak somehow, and that all the assists are "cheap".

EDIT In fact, I LOVE cheap assists, it means the offense has done a good job to get someone open.

If thats what you believe.

I'm curious though, why the silver hammer for DJ in the Suns game?

captaincrunk · Post #113 » by **captaincrunk** » Mon Nov 22, 2010 10:06 pm

Battery wrote:
captaincrunk wrote:
Battery wrote:DJ's good assist to turnover number can be attributed to us shooting the ball much better on the perimeter and his lack of aggressiveness going into the lane. Anybody can make those perimeter passes and rack up cheap assists on our team because the opposing defenses are giving us the outside shot.

After ten games or so you generally give up the idea that an entire team is on a hot streak somehow, and that all the assists are "cheap".

EDIT In fact, I LOVE cheap assists, it means the offense has done a good job to get someone open.

If thats what you believe.

I'm curious though, why the silver hammer for DJ in the Suns game?

I like that he got 6 rebounds. That's pretty good for only having 6 feet of height, I think.

Post #114 » by **BigSlam** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 1:25 pm

Who was closest?

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4471

Battery · Post #115 » by **Battery** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 3:45 pm

Best part about the lockout is not having to see DJ play basketball. :lol:

Go Kemba!

Post #116 » by **BigSlam** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 4:55 pm

Battery wrote:Best part about the lockout is not having to see DJ play basketball.

Go Kemba!

I would have said the best part would have been the small amount of posts you had been making?

Battery · Post #117 » by **Battery** » Sun Oct 30, 2011 6:01 am

BigSlam wrote:
Battery wrote:Best part about the lockout is not having to see DJ play basketball.

Go Kemba!

I would have said the best part would have been the small amount of posts you had been making?

Well now you will see a lot more positive posts because there are actually players I'm very interested in watching. I really am very excited to watch Kemba and Biyombo go through their development. Can't wait.

Elden Payton · Post #118 » by **Elden Payton** » Sun Oct 30, 2011 6:33 am

^^^^^^^^^

Yeah I can't wait to see them either, I hope BB gets his buyout.

doc.end · Post #119 » by **doc.end** » Sun Oct 30, 2011 2:27 pm

doc.end wrote:I have no idea, my guess is 14.5/2.1/5.5 If he gets his confidence back there is optimistic scenario with 16.7/2.2/6.1 but who knows, I rather rounded it down by some potential crumble of confidence which I hoep is unlikely. But we kind of have history of mishandled (by us) players becoming headcase so finger crossed.

14.4 - 2.7 - 6.1

lol, that's just typical

Elden Payton · Post #120 » by **Elden Payton** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 7:31 am

doc.end wrote:
doc.end wrote:I have no idea, my guess is 14.5/2.1/5.5 If he gets his confidence back there is optimistic scenario with 16.7/2.2/6.1 but who knows, I rather rounded it down by some potential crumble of confidence which I hoep is unlikely. But we kind of have history of mishandled (by us) players becoming headcase so finger crossed.

14.4 - 2.7 - 6.1

lol, that's just typical

Damn you were close DOC.