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Are there ANY trade the Bobcats should make?

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Re: Are there ANY trade the Bobcats should make? 

Post#161 » by captaincrunk » Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:30 am

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Late Tuesday afternoon, the Charlotte Bobcats received the Memphis Grizzlies' offer sheet on forward Dante Cunningham. The Bobcats have 3 days to decide whether to match.

Rod Higgins, the Bobcats' player-personnel chief, told the Observer the team will at least wait until Wednesday to make a decision.

The deal is for three seasons, the third season at the team's option. Cunningham would make $2 million this season -- roughly double the Bobcats' qualifying offer to restrict his free-agency -- and slightly more in the second and third seasons. So by matching, the Bobcats would be obligated to about $4 million over this season and next.


So, 2 years for 4 million and a team option for a 3rd. Is it worth it to accept? He was a solid bench piece and 2 million isn't a whole heck of a lot to spend. Would like to S&T but I doubt that happens. Don't want to loose him for nothing, so I guess I would match it.

I do like team options. He hasn't shown that he's worth that cash, but he hasn't shown he won't be in a year. It seems like a reasonable gamble I guess.
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Re: Are there ANY trade the Bobcats should make? 

Post#162 » by Jaruff » Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:33 am

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Late Tuesday afternoon, the Charlotte Bobcats received the Memphis Grizzlies' offer sheet on forward Dante Cunningham. The Bobcats have 3 days to decide whether to match.

Rod Higgins, the Bobcats' player-personnel chief, told the Observer the team will at least wait until Wednesday to make a decision.

The deal is for three seasons, the third season at the team's option. Cunningham would make $2 million this season -- roughly double the Bobcats' qualifying offer to restrict his free-agency -- and slightly more in the second and third seasons. So by matching, the Bobcats would be obligated to about $4 million over this season and next.


So, 2 years for 4 million and a team option for a 3rd. Is it worth it to accept? He was a solid bench piece and 2 million isn't a whole heck of a lot to spend. Would like to S&T but I doubt that happens. Don't want to loose him for nothing, so I guess I would match it.


If they still want to trade Mayo, work out something for Cunningham and DJ/Thomas.

Boom. Everyone is happy.

Otherwise, just let them take Cunningham.
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Re: Are there ANY trade the Bobcats should make? 

Post#163 » by Diop » Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:35 am

retaining Cunningham might push them to trade??

We keep Cunningham but you can have Diaw or TT?
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Re: Are there ANY trade the Bobcats should make? 

Post#164 » by bobcats3wallace » Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:49 am

As said earlier, I would even be fine with a Cunningham for Vasquez swap. I know Silas would like that. Either way though, that contract wouldn't be terribly tough to move, especially if he provided what he did last year off the bench.
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Re: Are there ANY trade the Bobcats should make? 

Post#165 » by ohara » Wed Dec 21, 2011 3:40 am

http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_n ... sheet.html

Well, if we can work a sign and trade of some sort, I am sure Cho will try it. Otherwise, if we let him walk, it will be because it is in our best financial interest.
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Re: Are there ANY trade the Bobcats should make? 

Post#166 » by fatlever » Wed Dec 21, 2011 3:42 am

cunningham at 2 years 4 mil is a good deal, imo. if we are in asset collection mode, then we should match the offer. its a fair deal and cunningham is a solid player. i still like him better (as a player) than Ups, even though i am rooting for Ups much much more.
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Re: Are there ANY trade the Bobcats should make? 

Post#167 » by captaincrunk » Wed Dec 21, 2011 8:47 am

fatlever wrote:cunningham at 2 years 4 mil is a good deal, imo. if we are in asset collection mode, then we should match the offer. its a fair deal and cunningham is a solid player. i still like him better (as a player) than Ups, even though i am rooting for Ups much much more.

And that team option makes him a good trade piece if he doesn't work out, and a steal if he does!
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Re: Are there ANY trade the Bobcats should make? 

Post#168 » by doc.end » Wed Dec 21, 2011 1:14 pm

I think it is a nobrainer and the attempt on letting the market to find the value worked well. Two years with third as a team option for fair money is pretty much ideal deal we could get. I guess they just need to do the papers with Ely and that's why Higgins said we will wait to Wednesday at least, not throwing anybody under the bus till we have to.

With Najera out, Thomas on and off with injuries, PF is suddenly not that logjammed as before and Cunningham may see minutes at four too.
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Re: Are there ANY trade the Bobcats should make? 

Post#169 » by pcbothwel » Thu Dec 22, 2011 3:02 pm

Quick thought from a Wiz fan. Diop(6.9M) and Carroll(3.9M) plus a protected 1st for Blatche(6.4M).
You guys save 4.5 Million instantly and get a 25 y/o PF/C who would complement Thomas and Biyumbo perfectly.
At this point, the Wiz realize we are not contending and have some youth at the position that will need mintues. Blatche has undeniable talent and could use a change of scenary. His contract has 4yr/29M left which is in the Drew Gooden/Kwame/Dalembert range, which is quite fair if you consider his age and ability.
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Re: Are there ANY trade the Bobcats should make? 

Post#170 » by bobcats3wallace » Thu Dec 22, 2011 3:23 pm

pcbothwel wrote:Quick thought from a Wiz fan. Diop(6.9M) and Carroll(3.9M) plus a protected 1st for Blatche(6.4M).
You guys save 4.5 Million instantly and get a 25 y/o PF/C who would complement Thomas and Biyumbo perfectly.
At this point, the Wiz realize we are not contending and have some youth at the position that will need mintues. Blatche has undeniable talent and could use a change of scenary. His contract has 4yr/29M left which is in the Drew Gooden/Kwame/Dalembert range, which is quite fair if you consider his age and ability.


Anything involving giving up picks I seriously doubt the Bobcats would be interested in. Were trying to gain picks and I think at this point having Diop and Carrol's contracts aren't as big a deal. We need the picks to bring talent in first before we can seriously consider using the cap space we have to attract free agents. Therefore, I would say no.
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Re: Are there ANY trade the Bobcats should make? 

Post#171 » by doc.end » Thu Dec 22, 2011 3:27 pm

We won't give up a first fro Blatche. We are sitting pretty with only one contract (Tyrus Thomas) longer than 2 years. No need top double that with similar case as Blatche is maybe better player than Thomas but have questionable potential because of his decision making, low BB IQ and being a headcase. There is a lot of PFs in drafts to take flyer on if he would need that one. Also Blatche would make us instantly a bit better, which we don't need in tanking season and I'm not sure we can rule out him being a bad apple. We are set up to suck and draft well. We could just help you to get a better shot at top 3 pick at our expense.

I have an idea how Wizards are like, as i follow them a lot recently because of Veselý. I doubt getting rid of Blatche would be enough to change and I don't believe Flip is capable to turn that team around. There is no team on court at first place and that's the problem.
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Re: Are there ANY trade the Bobcats should make? 

Post#172 » by Jmonty580 » Thu Dec 22, 2011 3:50 pm

You think you guys would have any interest in Landry fields or Toney Douglas?
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Re: Are there ANY trade the Bobcats should make? 

Post#173 » by Bassman » Thu Dec 22, 2011 4:23 pm

pcbothwel wrote:Quick thought from a Wiz fan. Diop(6.9M) and Carroll(3.9M) plus a protected 1st for Blatche(6.4M).
You guys save 4.5 Million instantly and get a 25 y/o PF/C who would complement Thomas and Biyumbo perfectly.
At this point, the Wiz realize we are not contending and have some youth at the position that will need mintues. Blatche has undeniable talent and could use a change of scenary. His contract has 4yr/29M left which is in the Drew Gooden/Kwame/Dalembert range, which is quite fair if you consider his age and ability.


I also would not give up a pick (unless it was way out there...say 2014), but I do like Blatche and would welcome some type of deal for him. I do not see the Wiz wanting Diop in any scenario. Also the deal you suggested would not work due to $$ being too far apart. I''d trade you Tyrus for Blatche straight up.
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Re: Are there ANY trade the Bobcats should make? 

Post#174 » by doc.end » Thu Dec 22, 2011 4:29 pm

Bass, we can't give up this year pick. Nor 2013, not 2014. We can give up a pick that could be conveyed not sooner that 2015.
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Re: Are there ANY trade the Bobcats should make? 

Post#175 » by bobcats3wallace » Thu Dec 22, 2011 5:14 pm

Jmonty580 wrote:You think you guys would have any interest in Landry fields or Toney Douglas?


I'm assuming your talking about for DJ? Potentially. Would really love to get a pick for DJ though and the Knicks don't have that...do they? Of the two players Douglas would be the guy I have most interest in. If he were an inch or two taller he would be a better fit for Kemba....plus I think we need more of a passing PG behind Kemba so I'm not sure it's really a good match. But out of those two I would be most interested in Douglas.
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Re: Are there ANY trade the Bobcats should make? 

Post#176 » by DY_nasty » Thu Dec 22, 2011 5:55 pm

Blatche is one of the biggest idiots in the NBA. If you guys think Tyrus is bad, you'll be ready to off yourselves after 5 games of Blatche.
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Re: Are there ANY trade the Bobcats should make? 

Post#177 » by Jmonty580 » Thu Dec 22, 2011 8:31 pm

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Jmonty580 wrote:You think you guys would have any interest in Landry fields or Toney Douglas?


I'm assuming your talking about for DJ? Potentially. Would really love to get a pick for DJ though and the Knicks don't have that...do they? Of the two players Douglas would be the guy I have most interest in. If he were an inch or two taller he would be a better fit for Kemba....plus I think we need more of a passing PG behind Kemba so I'm not sure it's really a good match. But out of those two I would be most interested in Douglas.


Yea we dont have a pick. Obviously yea I'm talkinga bout DJ. Watching that first game I think you guys are going to go towards letting Walker run that team, and at some ponit your going to have to make a decision on what to do with DJ. Landry is a promisigin SG/SF role player, i think he'd work best for you guys. Toney D is a 6th man type too. Hard nosed defender, but really doesnt seem to have a handle on running the point. Definetely a tweener. Most Knicks fans would probably trade Douglas but not Fields for DJ. I'd trade fields if the bobcats are intersted. KNicks obviously need a solid pg pretty badly. DJ while he's not CP3 is a solid pg can could be very affective in NY with the talent he'd have around.

Just wanted to see what you guys thought in general. Sounds like there is some interest but a little hesitation. I wonder if the Knicks management is looking at DJ as a possible target, and thinking about moving Fields and or Douglas to get him to NY.
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Re: Are there ANY trade the Bobcats should make? 

Post#178 » by fatlever » Fri Dec 23, 2011 5:24 am

not a bobcats trade but........... the suns really need to trade nash. they are done. let nash have one more shot with a playoff team, get the suns some pieces to build around.

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