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T2 Vs DJW = Playing Time?

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Re: T2 Vs DJW = Playing Time? 

Post#21 » by Kembastockton » Tue Jan 3, 2012 6:40 pm

Bismack worries me. Yes he is just getting started...yes he is raw...and yes he does some things (blocking shots) that make you go "WOW". But...his lack of offensive skills are so woeful, I'm not sure we can ever expect him to be reliable as a starter at the 4. If he were a true center, we'd be in better shape for the future. But, the team is working him at the 4 for a reason...he's too small to play the 5.


When Kevin Garnett came into the league he was so skinny that they played him at the three. Bismack is still only 19. It is waaaay to early to even consider counting him out.

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Stun704 wrote:DJ white is a SF in a PF's body, who cares how many points he puts up if he can't defend his man/ defend the rim or rebound? if boris diaw is our center then TT should be the starting PF just for a fit perspective.

No, DJ White is a faceup C in a PFs body. Like Carlos Boozer. TT is 6'10" Gerald Wallace lacking several intangibles and without the defensive instinct that kept Gerald on the court. I feel like Tyrus would be a better fit to guard a SF than White would be.

I didn't mean that literally, to quote charles barkley, what do you call a PF that can score 20 points but doesn't defend or rebound... a SF


You do know that Charles Barkley is an idiot right.
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Post#22 » by Elden Payton » Tue Jan 3, 2012 9:35 pm

I think Biz can definitely play the 5 full time once he puts on 15-20 pounds.

I actually consider him a 5 though he can anchor a defense from either the PF or C position.
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Post#23 » by captaincrunk » Tue Jan 3, 2012 9:46 pm

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Battery wrote:"Tyrus is going to have to show that he can play better."

I like hearing this. Tyrus really should prove that he is better than DJ White. There is no doubt that he has more potential, however it's been a while since he's given us a really good performance. The times of us hoping that he could have a large role on this team are long gone. I'd love to see him prove us wrong.

You know why it's been a while? Well, he was out the last part of last season and then there was a lockout. Oh, and he hasn't played yet this season. I think that would account for that.
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Re: T2 Vs DJW = Playing Time? 

Post#24 » by Elden Payton » Tue Jan 3, 2012 9:51 pm

Honestly Crunk Tyrus has proven absolutely nothing in his career...apart from the fact he gets injured alot...

Tyrus sprained his ankle & has missed 4 games, DJ sprained his ankle & didn't miss a single game.

Tyrus has lived on his potential since he came into the league, the fact of the matter is maybe that potential is non-existent...

DJ White will be starting & rightfully so.
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Post#25 » by captaincrunk » Tue Jan 3, 2012 9:58 pm

Sik Infant wrote:Honestly Crunk Tyrus has proven absolutely nothing in his career...apart from the fact he gets injured alot...

Tyrus sprained his ankle & has missed 4 games, DJ sprained his ankle & didn't miss a single game.

Tyrus has lived on his potential since he came into the league, the fact of the matter is maybe that potential is non-existent...

DJ White will be starting & rightfully so.

Honestly Sik I'm not sure you know what an sprain is. There are multiple types. DJ's sprain was clearly a minor one. Tyrus' sprain clearly wasn't if he isn't playing.

Last year Tyrus had a very long period, most of the season in fact, where he had by far the best PER of any player not in a starting 5. I don't swear by PER or anything like that, but to do that you do have to play decent basketball.
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Re: T2 Vs DJW = Playing Time? 

Post#26 » by AirP. » Tue Jan 3, 2012 10:06 pm

I think Tyrus' biggest problem is looking over his shoulder and trying to prove people wrong. What happens is that he tries to do too much. When he slows down, let's the game come to him he plays very well, when he feels he has something to prove he usually tries to do too much and that usually translates to problems on the court(bad/forced shots).

Losing his time/place in the rotation didn't end up well with Chicago.

Rookie year Nocioni got hurt, Tyrus came in and did great and instantly lost his job when Nocioni came back. There was actually an NBA.com article where Ben Gordon called Tyrus the X factor for Chicago in the playoffs then he really got no time at all.

2nd year he was a start when Chicago signed Ben Wallace, the whole starting 5 started slow(Tyrus had 2 big games in the first 5) and he was demoted and his game regressed.

3rd year, he finally got big minutes 30+ and put up something like 19 and 10 for 2 straight weeks then Chicago traded and brought over Tim Thomas, first game elgible T.Thomas came in for Tyrus near the end of the 1st period and scored pretty well and stayed in the game 12 straight minutes, after that Tyrus regressed again.

Year 4... he was the starter, had the flu(had a bad game) then broke his arm and Taj Gibson came in and Tyrus never got his starting position back.

Tyrus isn't your normal guy, he's been jerked around a lot in his career(sure he could have handled it better but hasn't), this situation may end up hurting Charlotte in the long term by regressing an asset(Tyrus). Unless you think White is the long term solution go with him, if not, you might just be causing a problem that shouldn't be there.

I think this current situation will make Tyrus play outside of his game, sure he could do well, but more then likely you're going to see a lot of bad shots as he tries to justify getting his spot back. Once he quits trying to prove himself he'll become the player he should be which could be very good.
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Re: T2 Vs DJW = Playing Time? 

Post#27 » by LamarMatic7 » Tue Jan 3, 2012 10:11 pm

captaincrunk wrote:
LamarMatic7 wrote:
Battery wrote:"Tyrus is going to have to show that he can play better."

I like hearing this. Tyrus really should prove that he is better than DJ White. There is no doubt that he has more potential, however it's been a while since he's given us a really good performance. The times of us hoping that he could have a large role on this team are long gone. I'd love to see him prove us wrong.

You know why it's been a while? Well, he was out the last part of last season and then there was a lockout. Oh, and he hasn't played yet this season. I think that would account for that.

Well, he returned in March last season and got to play in about 20 games. Don't recall him having a 20/10 game, per example.
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Post#28 » by Elden Payton » Tue Jan 3, 2012 10:11 pm

I know the varying degrees of ankle sprains but I still feel that Tyrus is dogging it.

Tyrus has serious talent no doubt but he hasn't proven near enough to be an automatic starter, especially when DJW is playing so well.
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Post#29 » by Elden Payton » Tue Jan 3, 2012 10:13 pm

AirP. wrote:I think Tyrus' biggest problem is looking over his shoulder and trying to prove people wrong. What happens is that he tries to do too much. When he slows down, let's the game come to him he plays very well, when he feels he has something to prove he usually tries to do too much and that usually translates to problems on the court(bad/forced shots).

Losing his time/place in the rotation didn't end up well with Chicago.

Rookie year Nocioni got hurt, Tyrus came in and did great and instantly lost his job when Nocioni came back. There was actually an NBA.com article where Ben Gordon called Tyrus the X factor for Chicago in the playoffs then he really got no time at all.

2nd year he was a start when Chicago signed Ben Wallace, the whole starting 5 started slow(Tyrus had 2 big games in the first 5) and he was demoted and his game regressed.

3rd year, he finally got big minutes 30+ and put up something like 19 and 10 for 2 straight weeks then Chicago traded and brought over Tim Thomas, first game elgible T.Thomas came in for Tyrus near the end of the 1st period and scored pretty well and stayed in the game 12 straight minutes, after that Tyrus regressed again.

Year 4... he was the starter, had the flu(had a bad game) then broke his arm and Taj Gibson came in and Tyrus never got his starting position back.

Tyrus isn't your normal guy, he's been jerked around a lot in his career(sure he could have handled it better but hasn't), this situation may end up hurting Charlotte in the long term by regressing an asset(Tyrus). Unless you think White is the long term solution go with him, if not, you might just be causing a problem that shouldn't be there.

I think this current situation will make Tyrus play outside of his game, sure he could do well, but more then likely you're going to see a lot of bad shots as he tries to justify getting his spot back. Once he quits trying to prove himself he'll become the player he should be which could be very good.


Thanks for your insight.
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Re: T2 Vs DJW = Playing Time? 

Post#30 » by captaincrunk » Wed Jan 4, 2012 3:11 am

Sik Infant wrote:I know the varying degrees of ankle sprains but I still feel that Tyrus is dogging it.

Based on what? What reasoning do you have to accuse this man of pretending to be injured?

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