Amare Stoudemire

[pickIBL]

Amare Stoudemire, Chris Copeland, Kemba Walker, Ramon Sessions, Paul Pierce, DeMar DeRozen, JJ Redick, Dimitris Diamantidis, Ioannis Bourousis, McLemore, B. Haywood.Taylor, draft pick

Charlotte Bobcats extreme makeover summer 2013

[HornetJail]

I literally am saying Gordon, Thomas for Amare & Copeland.

No

I don't understand how you say no to something like this. I would easily pay the small difference in salary to upgrade from Thomas+Gordon to Amare Stoudemire and Copeland. We pay our our duo about $51M total over the next three seasons. Amare has $65M left on his contract. I didn't realize there was so little difference in salary there. That's upgrading from one of the worst PFs in the league and an inconsistent volume chucker to a player would at the worst, just give us a name on our roster that even the very casual fans actually know.

Worst case, he injured half of every season and gives us 12/6 for about 24 minutes a game just 40-50 games a season this year and the next then becomes a huge ass expiring deal. Probably worth the $5M/yr uptick in salary.

Most likely case, he gives us a solid 60-65 games averaging 16/7 and redeems a good bit of value, giving Kemba a legit big to work with. He really hasn't been bad in the last few games. He recently went old school Amare on everybody and went 10/10 from the field. Definitely worth $5M/yr more than the garbage we give up.

Best case, he is fairly healthy and can give us about 70 games a year, putting up his usual 20/8, giving this team a true identity, and Kemba feeds off an excellent big man to finally gain all-star recognition. A big time heist that New York fans will cry about for years to come.

Absolute worst case, Amare's injured all the time, is garbage when he plays and we've got a rubbish contract on our hands the next two years before he becomes a $23M expiring deal. We'd just ride out the tank till that year (2014), gaining top picks and continue the rebuild as normal, we just spent about $14M more than necessary on a gamble on what should've been a great power forward but it simply didn't work out.

Seriously there's no catastrophic failure here. Which big name FA is coming to this losing team right now unless we severely overpay them? What are we supposed to do with cap space right now? We really can't lose in a deal like this. In fact I'd throw in the Portland pick to sweeten the deal for New York. We can't lose this deal because we HAVE nothing to lose. NY can't amnesty the dude and him and Melo still can't co-exist (they're playing slightly above .500 ball with both in the lineup). No other teams are in our situation, I doubt any team wants that deal right now. Give NY some slightly more movable contracts for their "odd star out".

[Roll Tide 09]

How about Stoudemire and Copeland for Dwight Howard since Amare, Nash, and D' Antoni would be reunited???? And then if we can't trade Thomas, we'll amnesty him and the Knicks can have him for much cheaper than Stoudemire????? Or how about you make the Laker trade and then you give us Novak and a future pick for Thomas?????

[HornetJail]

How about Stoudemire and Copeland for Dwight Howard since Amare, Nash, and D' Antoni would be reunited???? And then if we can't trade Thomas, we'll amnesty him and the Knicks can have him for much cheaper than Stoudemire????? Or how about you make the Laker trade and then you give us Novak and a future pick for Thomas?????

LOL at Stoudemire landing Dwight Howard. If our Thomas+Gordon+POR pick package could get us Stoudemire, and if NY can trade Stoudmire to LA for Dwight Howard, couldn't we just sweeten our package just a touch and take Dwight Howard ourselves?

[Kembastockton]

Amare is done. Amare is considered a star, and owed a crap load of money. The knicks are being smart and making the best of a messed up situation just like the Blazers did with Roy and Oden. Prance him out a few minutes per game, and run a few plays for him until his contract is up or some team is dumb enough to take him off their hands. Amare will never be the player he once was. We would be foolish to take on that massive contract when they can't even sweeten the pot with a high pick. He is way to expensive for what little he will bring to the table. We do not need a washed up big man who can't stay on the floor long enough to make a real difference. We already have one of those in Haywood. You guys need to always remember Micheal Jordan is a multimillionaire not a billionaire like most of these other owners. I am not in a hurry for him to move the team to a larger market just to pay the bills.

[pickIBL]

Your agrument can be that Amare is done SOON. But as of today he is not. Yes the Knicks are trotting him out giving him 25 minutes a night... but in that time he is producing. And what he brings if on the floor is way more than what you have going out. Plus need I remind you what Copeland has done?

This isn't going to lead to financial ruin either for jordan. It'd be just like if Ben Gordon had another year on his deal. You could pull off a couple of blockbuster deals, sign some Free agents and hang around the cap number for next year.... and revenues would be way up if you start adding names that your average suit yuppie season ticket holder has heard of.

[James Gatz]

Another way to look at it is would you pay Amare around 7 million a year to play for the Bobcats? Once you factor in the contracts thats about how much we'd be paying him. Tyrus is useless and while Ben Gordon has some value he isn't exactly a great contributor. For 7 I'd do it.

Granted, I doubt either team would make the trade.

[thruthefire]

Amare's not done at all. I'm sure New York was looking to trade him to any team that would listen, but I also think people are seriously overestimating how little the Knicks would have taken in return.

[JMAC3]

Your agrument can be that Amare is done SOON. But as of today he is not. Yes the Knicks are trotting him out giving him 25 minutes a night... but in that time he is producing. And what he brings if on the floor is way more than what you have going out. Plus need I remind you what Copeland has done?

This isn't going to lead to financial ruin either for jordan. It'd be just like if Ben Gordon had another year on his deal. You could pull off a couple of blockbuster deals, sign some Free agents and hang around the cap number for next year.... and revenues would be way up if you start adding names that your average suit yuppie season ticket holder has heard of.

I have to agree that Amare has been playing better of late, but that is going to make him more expensive. Why trade for him when he is at the peak of his value.

Best offer I would give them is Tyrus and BG for Amare. No picks included because of his massive contract. We could not amnesty him and would be paying him 45 million dollars for two more seasons after this. We would be stuck with him. He makes Rudy Gay look like the bargain of the year.

There is no way I would take back Amare, it is not worth it, because its not like he we would resign for dirt cheap after we payed that huge money, he would run away to a big name contender.

[pickIBL]

There is no way I would take back Amare, it is not worth it, because its not like he we would resign for dirt cheap after we payed that huge money, he would run away to a big name contender.

Hey anything is possible. The Bobc.... Hornets would have his bird rights though so you got the best shot @ him. It'd only make sense IMO if it was part one of some big deals. Like you said if you want to retain him the Hornets would have to be a good team.

My mention of Diamantidis was legit though. 6'5 and still the best playmaker in Europe at 32. Whooped some Team USA butt too. This is the type of wildcard crap MJ could pull because is Diamantidis going to turn down a call from the GOAT? That'd turn Kemba into a 6th man of the year candidate.

[Rich4114]

This team is too far away so acquiring a player like Amare at this stage would just go against what Cho is building. Gone are the days of short-term short-sighted trades to make us a contender for the #8 seed. Must be patient and build through the draft. If an opportunity for a top tier player in their mid-late 20's comes around then I'm sure they'll take it.

[pickIBL]

Short sighted trades for the 8th seed are a bad idea true. But I disagree with your points on "gone are the days". Actually with this new CBA it is going to (by design) make the NBA more like the NFL. And I think Stern specifically wanted rebuilding teams that have struggled for awhile to be able to go out and make some deals to make them interesting again. What Danny did in Boston is kinda the ultimate example. Contracts are much shorter these days to make teams more GM proof as well.

But when you start looking around the league at the names available such as Eric Gordon... I think you have to entertain all options... not just praying some 18 year old prospect from UCLA or Kentucy can maybe someday turn the team around.

[Nanogeek]

Okay so this is not going to go over well. I've read several pages of Bobcats fans trying to figure out who to draft. And I can tell you... watch and evaluate all you want... There is no sure thing. I can find flaws in all of them. I'm not sure pick 1 is worth more than pick 10. You ought to be open to trading it.

Plus as many have noted you all aren't that high on the prospects you do have. The best bet for some this summer is to throw big bucks at Al Jefferson.

So why not Amare? He looks decent right now... just not worth his contract. You can get them to include Copeland in the deal who is an interesting prospect.

The NBA as Lebron has noted is making big bucks this season. Which means the salary cap is going to jump millions. Plus the new salary floor for next season is 90%.

So yea Stoudemire could get injured true. But especially if Ty Thomas was part of the package going back you could amnesty Stoudemire if he becomes a dead weight. You cant amnesty Al Jefferson... but Amare you can.

I'm sure they'd love Ben Gordon's contract back. Make them take Ty Thomas too.

Then you look at free agents, overseas, trading your pick, anything to get assets that you can move later to improve the club if you have to.

The chance of getting Wiggins is much lower than I think most realize. I know I'll get reamed for this... but Amare is a name that can still play and you have the option to amnesty him.

We can't amnesty a player that wasn't on our roster when that provision was added to the CBA. So we couldn't amnesty Amare if we traded for him. However, even if we could this would still be a stunningly stupid idea for us to trade for Amare - even if all we gave up was a second round draft pick.