Better State of Franchise - Wizards or Bobcats?

[catch20two]

I see MasterIchiro love himself some shooting guards. Off topic, just making an observation. I'm a point guard kind of guy myself.

[JDR720]

it is obviously Charlotte they got their name so the HORNETS have a better future that the Wiz

[JDR720]

Bobcats v Wizards

PG: Advantage Wizards.
Kemba is a terrific player, but when wall is hot he is unstoppable.

SG: Advantage Wizards.
Too easy. Beal is arguably already better than Hendo and has more upside.

SF: Advantage Bobcats.
MKG has a ton of potential and is the more well rounded player at this point.

PF: Advantage Bobcats.
Zeller has a ton of upside and is on a rookie contract. Nene is on a bad contract and is on the decline.

C: Advantage Bobcats.
AJ is better offensively than Okafor is defensively.

Bench: Advantage Bobcats
JT, Gordon, Sessions, Hayward, and Mcbob make for a very solid bench.

Coaching: Advantage Bobcats
We have a allstar line of coaches...

Jury is out to see if we even have a good coaching staff. All star is pushin it

yea i dont know if i would call it an All-Star coaching staff but it is definitely better than the Wiz

[MrBigShot]

Is this the same John Wall from last year being discussed in this thread? Doesn't sound like it at all. Remember he put up 21/8/5 post all star break.

Sorry to say, but at 6'4 195...with his combination of size, speed and athleticism John Wall at his best is simply better than Kemba right now, and he has loads more potential. Wall is in another league as a talent...let me post a few of his stat lines when he found his stride last year.

47/8/7
35/9
37/4/5
29/9/6
27/14/7

He's already better, and if he pans out he'll be a superstar. Anyway...MKG/Porter really can't be judged until we see Porter play. MKG without a doubt has more potential. Porter seems to be NBA ready. Will come in and do a little bit of everything. Zeller is more valuable than Nene. Rookie contract, more potential. Then obviously Al Jefferson is better than Okafor. Beal will be better than Henderson this season imo. And he's younger, more versatile and has more potential.

All in all it appears CHA wins the front court battle, Washington has a better back court and the SF situation is a case of potential vs. NBA ready. I give the advantage to Washington, slightly, because they have the best player in this discussion, and the one guy who could be a superstar(and will be, imo) down the line. /my two cents

[lmcguir5]

Is this the same John Wall from last year being discussed in this thread? Doesn't sound like it at all. Remember he put up 21/8/5 post all star break.

Sorry to say, but at 6'4 195...with his combination of size, speed and athleticism John Wall at his best is simply better than Kemba right now, and he has loads more potential. Wall is in another league as a talent...let me post a few of his stat lines when he found his stride last year.

47/8/7
35/9
37/4/5
29/9/6
27/14/7

He's already better, and if he pans out he'll be a superstar. Anyway...MKG/Porter really can't be judged until we see Porter play. MKG without a doubt has more potential. Porter seems to be NBA ready. Will come in and do a little bit of everything. Zeller is more valuable than Nene. Rookie contract, more potential. Then obviously Al Jefferson is better than Okafor. Beal will be better than Henderson this season imo. And he's younger, more versatile and has more potential.

All in all it appears CHA wins the front court battle, Washington has a better back court and the SF situation is a case of potential vs. NBA ready. I give the advantage to Washington, slightly, because they have the best player in this discussion, and the one guy who could be a superstar(and will be, imo) down the line. /my two cents

This conversation is pointless to have because obviously Wall is better than Kemba. He's a top 5 point guard in the league

[MrBigShot]

This conversation is pointless to have because obviously Wall is better than Kemba. He's a top 5 point guard in the league

Well yeah, but there's a few posts in this thread in which people have either said Kemba, or tie. That's why I brought it up.

[HornetJail]

I think Wall is a really good point guard, but top 5??? In a league where Westbrook, Paul, Curry, Parker, and Deron Williams round out the top 5 (in no real order), Wall is most definitely not in that conversation at this point. I struggle to put him in the top 10 right now, but going into next season, he could be top 10, but so could Kemba.

[Liver_Pooty]

John Wall is not a top 5 PG......

Yet.

[fatlever]

refer to fats pg rankings for official rankings of pgs. its the gospel.

[BlackOutBuzz]

Wall isn't top 5, I'd say he's better than Kemba, but not top 5.

The Wiz definitely have the better team right now, could definitely see them taking one of the 6-8 seeds this year. That said, I'm not sure if I'd trade places with them long-term.

Assuming both our draft picks pan out, both teams will have a nice 3-man core of young guys to build around (Kemba, MKG, Zeller; Wall, Beal, Porter) along with a couple other young pieces that could still be big for their future, but it's kind of wait and see right now (Biz and JT; Vesley and Rice). Not to mention both teams have some nice vets, especially in the frontcourt (Big Al and Haywood; Okafor and Nene)...although we also have Gordon, so it's not all good on the veteran front.

Future outlook: Wiz take backcourt, Cats take frontcourt, and really the SF position is a matter of preference. I, personally, prefer MKG, but I won't pretend to be unbiased. So overall I'd call it a push. Then when you consider future assets like picks and cap space, I've gotta swing it our way a bit.

[lmcguir5]

I think Wall is a really good point guard, but top 5??? In a league where Westbrook, Paul, Curry, Parker, and Deron Williams round out the top 5 (in no real order), Wall is most definitely not in that conversation at this point. I struggle to put him in the top 10 right now, but going into next season, he could be top 10, but so could Kemba.

I honestly think that John Wall is better than Russell Westbrook. What exactly is so great about Westbrook? He's a bulk shooter who doesn't make a lot of his shots. It's just easy to think that Westbrook is better because his supporting cast is so much better you can't even verbalize it.

If I'm down by 6 with 3 minutes to go, and I could pick between John Wall and Russell Westbrook, I'll take Wall 10/10 times. He has such a better ability to get to the bucket and finish. You also have to appreciate the fact that he's been putting up ludicrous numbers and plays while playing on one of the most abysmal NBA franchises.

[Eoghan]

You guys are underrating the Wizard's frontcourt. Healthy Nene is easily better than any player the Bobcats have. Okafor is probably better overall than everyone not named Al. Seraphin isn't terrible, I'd put him above Haywood, Adrien and maybe even McBob. The only thing bad is they're overpaid but Okafor is expiring now right?

[510TWSS]

Yeah, but a healthy Nene is like a mythical unicorn. More of a myth and a legend than actual proof. Heh.

Let's just combine both teams. That team would look pretty exciting to watch.

[BlackOutBuzz]

You guys are underrating the Wizard's frontcourt. Healthy Nene is easily better than any player the Bobcats have. Okafor is probably better overall than everyone not named Al. Seraphin isn't terrible, I'd put him above Haywood, Adrien and maybe even McBob. The only thing bad is they're overpaid but Okafor is expiring now right?

I think we pretty much acknowledge that they have the better team right now, even in the frontcourt. But as far as long-term potential, I think we have the edge. I think both Zeller and Biz trump their younger bigs, and hell even Big Al is two years younger than either Okafor or Nene. And like you said, Okafor is an expiring, so he's probably not in their long-term plans.

[Eoghan]

That's a fair point BOB but I'm just not as sold on our youth in the long-term. Seems like with this franchise, any draft pick that can play a little bit ends up walking in free agency or traded.

[Liver_Pooty]

Biyombo doesn't trump anything yet. Zeller is a very nice prospect, though.

[JT2006]

You guys are underrating the Wizard's frontcourt. Healthy Nene is easily better than any player the Bobcats have. Okafor is probably better overall than everyone not named Al. Seraphin isn't terrible, I'd put him above Haywood, Adrien and maybe even McBob. The only thing bad is they're overpaid but Okafor is expiring now right?

kemba is better than okafor

[Eoghan]

You guys are underrating the Wizard's frontcourt. Healthy Nene is easily better than any player the Bobcats have. Okafor is probably better overall than everyone not named Al. Seraphin isn't terrible, I'd put him above Haywood, Adrien and maybe even McBob. The only thing bad is they're overpaid but Okafor is expiring now right?

kemba is better than okafor

Okafor is better than Gordon.

[JMAC3]

I think we are in a similar boat to the Wizards...

Wall vs. Kemba. Point guards are very close, as both teams rely on them to be the leader of the team and pretty much their main scorer. I would give the slight edge to Wizards, because Wall is the better playmaker, better size defensively, and probably a bit better at finishing. However, it would not surprise me if by the end of the year Kemba had the more impressive season. Kemba is so clutch and his jumper is leaps ahead of Wall right now. Wall however is already considered a franchise player, but they can expect to have to pay him the MAX.

Beal vs. TBA. Shooting guard is going to the Wizards as Beal has shown to be the prototypical guard that can knock down threes and is solid enough in every part of the game. Especially since right now we are not sure who are two guard is Hendo? Taylor? Gordon?, but we clearly have better depth at this position.

Porter vs MKG. Small forward I would give us the advantage. Porter struggled heavily in the summer league, and we are not sure he will be a very efficient player. He may put up better scoring numbers, but I do not think he brings the defense, rebounding and scoring efficiency percentage wise MKG brings. This may change by the end of the season, but Porter has proven nothing and given me no reason to think he will just turn it on. Also, I think we are going to see a much more confident Gilly this year and he will be getting more minutes more than likely.

Jefferson vs Nene. I decided to compare these two even though they may play different positions, because their impact is similar and lets be honest Jefferson vs Okafor is no match. I would say both are very similiar players with Al being a bit more productive, but Nene being better defensively. It comes down to the number of games I think they will play and that edge goes to Big Al.

Zeller vs Okafor. Okafor's value comes from his consistency. He is never going to take over a game or be counted on for a bucket in crunch time, but he rebounds and will take high percentage shots. His averages were roughly 10 pts and 9 boards last year in just 26 minutes per game. Zeller on the other hand may struggle to be consistent, but I think he will have performances that flat out win ball games that you wont find Okafor producing any more. Zeller is the more dynamic offensive player and I think he will average more points than Okafor this season. Also, obviously Zeller is on a much friendlier contract and I would guarantee almost any GM would prefer Zeller regardless of his contract due to his upside and youth. Advantage Zeller.

Bench.
Sessions> Maynor
Gordon= Webster and Rice Jr.
Taylor> Ariza because Ariza is soooo inefficient and they are very similar defensively.
Biz + McBob= Seraphine + Booker

Coaching Staff. I take ours because we have seen what Wittman can do and I am unimpressed. Clifford, Ewing, and Price seem to be a much more exciting group.

Overall, Advantage Bobcats but its close.