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Liver_Pooty · Post #381 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Thu Jan 1, 2015 4:48 am

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xy18H1Ctle8[/youtube]

Show me where Zeller has a back to the basket game. He lived off of his athleticism in college, and does in the NBA. Screw being a stretch four, he needs to work on a legit back to the basket game. It would do wonders for him. All he knows how to do right now is hit a pick and pop shot off a screen, and occasionally throw down a jackhammer dunk. Hes as much of a project as MKG is.

MasterIchiro · Post #382 » by **MasterIchiro** » Thu Jan 1, 2015 4:49 am

When do we get to play with the ESPN Draft Machine?

EwingSweatsALot · Post #383 » by **EwingSweatsALot** » Thu Jan 1, 2015 4:53 am

BigSlam wrote:Funny. I was just looking and on the season we are averaging 85.3 FGA's per game - which is good for equal 7th in the league.

Interesting in that some posters suggest that Al's post play slows us down so much and he milks so much of the clock.

Also interesting because tonight, without Al, we only put up 76 FGA's - and it's not like the Rockets are a slow it down, half court kind of team. I mean they put up 88 FGA's of their own tonight (they average 82.3 FGA's for the season).

Pace tonight was 95.12.

Rockets season pace is 96.08.

Hornets season pace is 94.29.

So we played about the same amount faster than they did slower. Pretty even I would say. Will be interesting to see how it works out over the next month.

Eoghan · Post #384 » by **Eoghan** » Thu Jan 1, 2015 5:08 am

Didn't see but 10 minutes of the 4th but I wanted to say that I had to 'and 1' Yosimite Ben's posts b/c that never, ever, **** happens.

It's real guys, the future without Al is bright indeed.

MasterIchiro · Post #385 » by **MasterIchiro** » Thu Jan 1, 2015 5:15 am

BrotherDave wrote:Didn't see but 10 minutes of the 4th but I wanted to say that I had to 'and 1' Yosimite Ben's posts b/c that never, ever, **** happens.

It's real guys, the future without Al is bright indeed.

Who do you hope to get in the draft? Optimistically.

ball teacher · Post #386 » by **ball teacher** » Thu Jan 1, 2015 5:20 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xy18H1Ctle8[/youtube]

Show me where Zeller has a back to the basket game. He lived off of his athleticism in college, and does in the NBA. Screw being a stretch four, he needs to work on a legit back to the basket game. It would do wonders for him. All he knows how to do right now is hit a pick and pop shot off a screen, and occasionally throw down a jackhammer dunk. Hes as much of a project as MKG is.

Liver, no offense, but the video you posted shows him with his back to the basket, but a back to the basket game wasnt even the argument made, it was that he was not a stretch four. He was a true big with athleticism which is why he was so appealing as a lottery pick. Most of his bckets in that video show him around the rim, we rarely ever have him around the rim. I dont know what we pay these coaches for cause it seems they dont do a lick of research. Cody should be in the gym getting brolic and working on finishing around the rim, a matter of fact Ewing should have him and Biz training with him and learning to be a true big, instead we have him shooting long jumpers.

Liver_Pooty · Post #387 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Thu Jan 1, 2015 5:32 am

ball teacher wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xy18H1Ctle8[/youtube]

Show me where Zeller has a back to the basket game. He lived off of his athleticism in college, and does in the NBA. Screw being a stretch four, he needs to work on a legit back to the basket game. It would do wonders for him. All he knows how to do right now is hit a pick and pop shot off a screen, and occasionally throw down a jackhammer dunk. Hes as much of a project as MKG is.

Liver, no offense, but the video you posted shows him with his back to the basket, but a back to the basket game wasnt even the argument made, it was that he was not a stretch four. He was a true big with athleticism which is why he was so appealing as a lottery pick. Most of his bckets in that video show him around the rim, we rarely ever have him around the rim. I dont know what we pay these coaches for cause it seems they dont do a lick of research. Cody should be in the gym getting brolic and working on finishing around the rim, a matter of fact Ewing should have him and Biz training with him and learning to be a true big, instead we have him shooting long jumpers.

When I think of back to the basket I think of Cousins and Al Jefferson. JDR said he had a back to the basket game in college. He didn't, thats laughable. Yeah the initial argument was Cho saying he could be a stretch four, and yeah hes trying. Was basically replying to JDR saying he had a legit back to the basket game in college which he didn't, at all.

W_HAMILTON · Post #388 » by **W_HAMILTON** » Thu Jan 1, 2015 5:38 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xy18H1Ctle8[/youtube]

Show me where Zeller has a back to the basket game. He lived off of his athleticism in college, and does in the NBA. Screw being a stretch four, he needs to work on a legit back to the basket game. It would do wonders for him. All he knows how to do right now is hit a pick and pop shot off a screen, and occasionally throw down a jackhammer dunk. Hes as much of a project as MKG is.

So, we drafted a goofy white guy based on his athleticism? FML.

Liver_Pooty · Post #389 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Thu Jan 1, 2015 5:46 am

W_HAMILTON wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xy18H1Ctle8[/youtube]

Show me where Zeller has a back to the basket game. He lived off of his athleticism in college, and does in the NBA. Screw being a stretch four, he needs to work on a legit back to the basket game. It would do wonders for him. All he knows how to do right now is hit a pick and pop shot off a screen, and occasionally throw down a jackhammer dunk. Hes as much of a project as MKG is.

So, we drafted a goofy white guy based on his athleticism? FML.

Thats all we do is based on athleticism.

Bassman · Post #390 » by **Bassman** » Thu Jan 1, 2015 6:01 am

Bassman wrote:We really are rather pathetic. Hanging in there but I feel Houston will assert themselves in the 2nd half after making adjustments.

Well it happened as I called it. Couldn't see the 2nd half but we were showing our limitations enough to convince me.

Sorry to say but the Hornets are years away from contending. Cho's picks are marginal at best, and have to be considered a contributing factor in our mess (Vohleh excluded as it is far too early).

Post #391 » by **Diop** » Thu Jan 1, 2015 6:03 am

W_HAMILTON wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xy18H1Ctle8[/youtube]

Show me where Zeller has a back to the basket game. He lived off of his athleticism in college, and does in the NBA. Screw being a stretch four, he needs to work on a legit back to the basket game. It would do wonders for him. All he knows how to do right now is hit a pick and pop shot off a screen, and occasionally throw down a jackhammer dunk. Hes as much of a project as MKG is.

So, we drafted a goofy white guy based on his athleticism? FML.

sounds about right

BobsBuddy · Post #392 » by **BobsBuddy** » Thu Jan 1, 2015 3:03 pm

No Way we ever beat Houston with Harden,Howard and Beverly.At one time McHale emptied his bench and they still cleaned our clock. Harden had Hendo falling down,Beverly shut down Kemba, and Biz couldn't beat Howard. I'm sure Al will stay out at least 4 weeks and the trade Deadline is right after he returns. I'll bet Lance is actually praying for a trade to a contender like the Clippers. As for Kemba,he'll keep shooting and we'll keep losing. We need to start trading these guys and fillers away why they have value and play the younger guys more. PJ,Vonleh,MKG,Zellar,Biz, and whoever we get to replace Kemba who can pass the ball.

It's really starting to look like a 22-60 season?

ball teacher · Post #393 » by **ball teacher** » Thu Jan 1, 2015 4:56 pm

Liver_Pooty wrote:
ball teacher wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xy18H1Ctle8[/youtube]

Show me where Zeller has a back to the basket game. He lived off of his athleticism in college, and does in the NBA. Screw being a stretch four, he needs to work on a legit back to the basket game. It would do wonders for him. All he knows how to do right now is hit a pick and pop shot off a screen, and occasionally throw down a jackhammer dunk. Hes as much of a project as MKG is.

Liver, no offense, but the video you posted shows him with his back to the basket, but a back to the basket game wasnt even the argument made, it was that he was not a stretch four. He was a true big with athleticism which is why he was so appealing as a lottery pick. Most of his bckets in that video show him around the rim, we rarely ever have him around the rim. I dont know what we pay these coaches for cause it seems they dont do a lick of research. Cody should be in the gym getting brolic and working on finishing around the rim, a matter of fact Ewing should have him and Biz training with him and learning to be a true big, instead we have him shooting long jumpers.

When I think of back to the basket I think of Cousins and Al Jefferson. JDR said he had a back to the basket game in college. He didn't, thats laughable. Yeah the initial argument was Cho saying he could be a stretch four, and yeah hes trying. Was basically replying to JDR saying he had a legit back to the basket game in college which he didn't, at all.

Oh, my fault, I didnt see JDR's comment. If you dont mind me jumping in though, I still think cody is more suited playing near the rim as to playing the stretch 4. If I remember, Indiana had a black guy with a high top fade who played that role, Cody played closer to the rim, maybe nt a consistent D. Cousins type like you've mentioned but he wasnt a perimeter shooter either. I'd rather we ditch this system for this year and just play to our guys strengthsa and see how we do then. Even more so with Al hurt ,we cannot be a perimeter oriented team.

thruthefire · Post #394 » by **thruthefire** » Thu Jan 1, 2015 4:59 pm

Zeller was supposed to be NBA-ready, but lottery picks that don't excel in any one aspect of the game usually fall far short of expectations. I'm a fan of Cho, but Z-Rex was just a major, major reach at No. 4. Fans got it right when they booed the selection.

LamarMatic7 · Post #395 » by **LamarMatic7** » Thu Jan 1, 2015 8:13 pm

EwingSweatsALot wrote:
LamarMatic7 wrote:
Sachmo wrote:should've guessed. Clifford probably reacted like Rainman when it was suggested to start Zeller at Centre.

"no Zeller is a power forward, he is not a centre, he is a forward. Centres play centre, forwards play for forward, forward can't play centre, centre can't play forward."

The organization, FSN Sports South and Bonnell have done a great job at covering up and not telling everybody about the time Ewing suggested playing MKG down the stretch, only for Clifford to throw a fit and start rolling on the ground.

This really happened? HAHAHAHA

haha, sorry, man.

was only continuing to make Rainman-themed jokes.

it hasn't happened, at least to my knowledge.

Post #396 » by **yosemiteben** » Thu Jan 1, 2015 10:16 pm

thruthefire wrote:Zeller was supposed to be NBA-ready, but lottery picks that don't excel in any one aspect of the game usually fall far short of expectations. I'm a fan of Cho, but Z-Rex was just a major, major reach at No. 4. Fans got it right when they booed the selection.

He was 20 when he got drafted. 20 year old big men tend to not be ready to step in right away.

For reference, he is 2.5 years younger than Mason Plumlee.

TheKingofSting · Post #397 » by **TheKingofSting** » Fri Jan 2, 2015 3:20 am

I'm not ready to give up on Cody yet but he has fallen in a slump lately on offense.

Eoghan · Post #398 » by **Eoghan** » Fri Jan 2, 2015 3:23 am

MasterIchiro wrote:
BrotherDave wrote:Didn't see but 10 minutes of the 4th but I wanted to say that I had to 'and 1' Yosimite Ben's posts b/c that never, ever, **** happens.

It's real guys, the future without Al is bright indeed.

Who do you hope to get in the draft? Optimistically.

I have no idea, I haven't watched much college ball this year except for the occasional Duke game. I actually thought the tank was a long shot, didn't realize Charlotte would be this bad, this soon.

Okafor is the real deal as far as I can tell. He's got enough talent that you take him regardless of fit. I would say Charlotte's biggest needs are: 2,4,3 with shooting and NBA readiness a priority.

Post #399 » by **fatlever** » Fri Jan 2, 2015 5:49 am

i am finally finished watching this game. i feel a lot better about things after watching compared to seeing the boxscore and reading this thread. we hung tough for about 38 minutes. the stretch by the 2nd unit + zeller at the end 3rd, early 4th really hurt. roberts was awful. neal continued to play way below his early season form. zeller never touched the ball on offense. hairston still cant shoot and max is max.

looking at the boxscore i assumed that mkg got worked by harden in the 2nd half but that really wasnt the case. mkg didnt guard harden for the last quarter and half of game time, it was all henderson.

clifford has to stop playing neal for such long stretches to end games. he puts him in in the middle of the 3rd and lets him play out the 4th. thats a horrible idea.

overall the score wasnt really indicative of the game. last 6 mins really got away from the starters but it was over by then anyway.

i like seeing MKG put up shots even if they werent falling.

Liver_Pooty · Post #400 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Fri Jan 2, 2015 6:01 am

BrotherDave wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:
BrotherDave wrote:Didn't see but 10 minutes of the 4th but I wanted to say that I had to 'and 1' Yosimite Ben's posts b/c that never, ever, **** happens.

It's real guys, the future without Al is bright indeed.

Who do you hope to get in the draft? Optimistically.

I have no idea, I haven't watched much college ball this year except for the occasional Duke game. I actually thought the tank was a long shot, didn't realize Charlotte would be this bad, this soon.

Okafor is the real deal as far as I can tell. He's got enough talent that you take him regardless of fit. I would say Charlotte's biggest needs are: 2,4,3 with shooting and NBA readiness a priority.

Nothing bright about this team with or without Jefferson. Not one player on this roster is an all star. Arguably not one player on this roster may ever be an all star. The roster is terrible.