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Grading the draft.

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Grade our draft

A
4
7%
B
7
12%
C
10
17%
D
5
9%
E
7
12%
F
6
10%
F-
19
33%
 
Total votes: 58

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Re: Grading the draft. 

Post#41 » by chabber » Fri Jun 26, 2015 5:29 pm

LobCityRondo2KG wrote:Celtics fan here in peace and just wanted to get your thoughts on information we are getting/discussing on the C's board..

http://hoopshype.com/rumor/997750/

States that we offered a "significant" offer for the 9th pick. Some speculating we offered up to 4 first round draft picks to move up to 9 including the two picks we had this year plus future picks.. Do you guys think it was a poor offer and glad u went with the Tank at 9 or do you think it was a deal that MJ and Cho should of jumped on?


If we were the 2011 Bobcats or Philly, then I'd probably do this just for the multiple picks.

In looking for help now, I think they did the right thing. With who was available to select at 9 and everyone I was truly interested in being gone after 14, besides Grant, I'm glad they stayed. Bostons first pick was on the cusp of a talent drop off imo. Ainge's best case scenario was to combine them somehow and move up, which he obviously did not accomplish.

The Nets pick is the most intriguing but is also a complete unknown.
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Re: Grading the draft. 

Post#42 » by yosemiteben » Fri Jun 26, 2015 5:31 pm

I choose not to believe that.
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Post#43 » by No-Man » Fri Jun 26, 2015 8:00 pm

Solid C+, I'd have gone with Turner or a trade down, but Kaminsky value was around that area, and he is a solid fit.
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Post#44 » by Eoghan » Sat Jun 27, 2015 1:37 am

Glad they didn't take Turner but I refuse to give this FO anything higher than a failing grade until they draft a player that plays good enough to actually create buzz. Our best pick is considered worse than Harry Barnes and Beal by consensus. Whether justified or not, it's still damning of our organization.
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Post#45 » by Flip Murray » Sat Jun 27, 2015 3:40 pm

I'm changing my vote to a C. I just went with F- because I was so mad initially but it was an overreaction.
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Post#46 » by catch20two » Sat Jun 27, 2015 3:50 pm

Lol. This thread is funny. So much overreaction and anger.
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Post#47 » by LurkCobain » Sat Jun 27, 2015 6:26 pm

B - . Please take inventory of anyone who voted less than a C, the will look ignorant after the next season is over. could've been better because we could've done more with the early 2nd rounder. Numerous people were still on the board that could've been mentored. Andrew Harrison (the one we didn't pick up in summer league), Pat Connaughton, Nikola Radicevec could have all at least sat on the bench and learned for a year.
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Post#48 » by Vanderbilt_Grad » Sat Jun 27, 2015 7:31 pm

Eh. I stand by my F-. I hope Frank proves me wrong, but I don't expect him to. I expect Frank to be OK at best, and Winslow will be a star. Regardless of team needs or coaching philosophy you don't pass on a potential star. If I end up wrong I'll eat my crow, but I'm still angry at the pick.
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Post#49 » by Snidely FC » Sat Jun 27, 2015 7:37 pm

LurkCobain wrote:B - . Please take inventory of anyone who voted less than a C, the will look ignorant after the next season is over. could've been better because we could've done more with the early 2nd rounder. Numerous people were still on the board that could've been mentored. Andrew Harrison (the one we didn't pick up in summer league), Pat Connaughton, Nikola Radicevec could have all at least sat on the bench and learned for a year.

Okay, but then you should take inventory of anyone who voted for a C or higher because they will look ignorant in 3 years, 5 years, and so on and so forth.

This team was nigh unwatchable this past season. Even setting aside injuries it ran an outmoded offense built by Clifford to revolve around Al Jefferson. What has changed? All the recent moves valued veterans over youth, wins over development. I don't doubt this coming season the record will be better. But to what end? They'll make the playoffs? They might be the fifth seed!

Then what?

They could have opted to minimize Al Jeff's footprint, and begun to prioritize the development of the future stars they bothered to draft over the last several years. Empower the youth! Unleash the hounds! Instead, they gave up on Vonleh who is 19, brought in Nic Batum to play in front of other young players such as MKG, PJ, traded for Spencer Hawes to take minutes from Zeller, then drafted Frank to replace Vonleh and take minutes from Zeller and Hawes, leaving no room for Bismack Biyombo.

Question to you: how do these convulsions lead to a sustainable future?

A team that included a young core of Justice Winslow, MKG, Kemba, Zeller, Vonleh, Biz, PJ and Daniels for instance would have offered the versatility to play together for years, at least had potential upside to develop into EC Champions, and would have been fun for fans to bond with. Yes that core might take a couple years, it might even take a different coach - but I think real fans are savvy enough to get excited about an upside team developing together. I think MGMT is selling us fans short thinking we'd rather win enough to eke into the playoffs with a style of play that is outdated and offputting, and with a roster that needs to be replaced every two years.

So fine, you are right at the end of next season us complainers are going to be wrong, but then what?
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Post#50 » by mrknowitall215 » Sat Jun 27, 2015 7:53 pm

Grade: B-

I think Frank Kaminsky will be at least a valuable role player in the league whom raw statistics don't serve justice similar to how McRoberts was for Charlotte in the 2013-14 season, but I'm expecting more. 2013-14 McRoberts is Kaminsky's floor while a more versatile version of Ryan Anderson could be his ceiling

I would've gave this selection a B+, but since it's essentially Cho trying to correct his mistakes from past drafts (specifically Zeller in 2013), I had to deduct some points. However, I didn't want to take away a full grade because I think Cho got it right this time by drafting a player in which he know what to expect instead of a ball of clay with athleticism in previous lottery selections
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Re: Grading the draft. 

Post#51 » by UNCNYC » Sat Jun 27, 2015 9:12 pm

LobCityRondo2KG wrote:Celtics fan here in peace and just wanted to get your thoughts on information we are getting/discussing on the C's board..

http://hoopshype.com/rumor/997750/

States that we offered a "significant" offer for the 9th pick. Some speculating we offered up to 4 first round draft picks to move up to 9 including the two picks we had this year plus future picks.. Do you guys think it was a poor offer and glad u went with the Tank at 9 or do you think it was a deal that MJ and Cho should of jumped on?


I definitely think we should have made the trade with you guys. We have a bad GM. Not the worst but definitely bad.

I definitely think we should have made the trade with you guys. We have a bad GM. Not the worst but definitely bad.

Kemba / Grant
Lamb / PJ
MKG/ Cedi
Zeller / Vonleh / Marvin
Al / Biz / Wood

I would had made the trade with you guys and took Grant, Cedi and Wood. This team is before trade and would be young and developing. Good bench and a few players with star potential or at least good potential in MKG, PJ, Vonleh, Cedi
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These are who I want with our picks in order



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Post#52 » by UNCNYC » Sat Jun 27, 2015 9:26 pm

I rated this draft a C but I shoulda did D. I like Kaminsky but we should have made that trade. This draft went exactly 16 deep with Grant being the worst out of that 16.
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Post#53 » by SpearNMgicHelmt » Sat Jun 27, 2015 11:04 pm

I must admit that my F- is influenced by my displeasure regarding all our recent moves, not just the draft. Passing on Winslow is just part of it, lumped in for me with moving Vonleh, shopping Cody, and possibly not resigning Biz.

Flipping Barnes for Lamb is the only thing we've done that I don't hate.

I'm also weary of us not utilizing the second round at all. We don't even try. This year, I refused to even google the dude we picked because I knew we weren't going to keep him.
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Re: Grading the draft. 

Post#54 » by Hornet Mania » Sat Jun 27, 2015 11:17 pm

I'm sticking with my F-. I will root for Kaminsky because he's our guy now, but I'd still rather have Winslow and it isn't even close. Batum/MKG/Winslow trio would have been pure sickness on the wing, I also think Kaminsky means Biz is out the door which adds another layer of displeasure. I'm afraid we'll regret this pick quite a bit in the future, especially with Winslow on a division rival.

Prove me wrong Frank, you big goofy white boy.
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Re: Grading the draft. 

Post#55 » by Rusted » Sat Jun 27, 2015 11:18 pm

I gave it a C... I would have preferred a different outcome but think Frank will still workout pretty well.
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Re: Grading the draft. 

Post#56 » by Diop » Sun Jun 28, 2015 3:35 am

EwingSweatsALot wrote:I gave it an E. Cause that isn't even a grade.

i went with this because it made me LOL
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Re: Grading the draft. 

Post#57 » by MasterIchiro » Sun Jun 28, 2015 3:45 am

LobCityRondo2KG wrote:Celtics fan here in peace and just wanted to get your thoughts on information we are getting/discussing on the C's board..

http://hoopshype.com/rumor/997750/

States that we offered a "significant" offer for the 9th pick. Some speculating we offered up to 4 first round draft picks to move up to 9 including the two picks we had this year plus future picks.. Do you guys think it was a poor offer and glad u went with the Tank at 9 or do you think it was a deal that MJ and Cho should of jumped on?


Our GM has been serving up pu pu platter since he arrived. Ainge is the last executive I want him doing business with. To put a face on those picks I'm guessing it was 16, 28, Jeff Green Memphis 1st (turns to 2nd), Rondo Dallas 1st (they are prime FA destination with a legit owner).

So basically, Ainge was serving up more pu pu platter.

We are a win-now team. If Ainge wanted Winslow badly enough he would have offered a win-now player(s) with pick 16 from the group: Sullinger, Olynyk, Young, Bradley.

As for my grade of this draft.

Hezonja was my A
Booker was a B+
Kaminsky is a C
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Post#58 » by MasterIchiro » Sun Jun 28, 2015 3:48 am

Olynyk, Bradley, 16 would have been a difficult offer to turn down for Winslow.

That's an A- draft.

That's Olynyk, Bradley and maybe Oubre.

Or Sullinger, Young, 16.

That's Sullinger, Young and maybe Grant.
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Post#59 » by mrknowitall215 » Sun Jun 28, 2015 3:49 am

MasterIchiro wrote:Our GM has been serving up pu pu platter since he arrived.


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